I would say "soon" as in a year or so early. But it will require him to build a good overall winning %. Set to coach elsewhere for 2017 -- earliest. May happen, but I wouldn't bet on it. I don't see him staking his claim as a Grand Coach next year (2015) with the schedule, but 2016 will be his chance. If there's not a whole lot of hires going on, and he wins 9+ games with the 2017 team, then I could see him going then at the end of that year.

(10-26-2014 08:37 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  I would say "soon" as in a year or so early. But it will require him to build a good overall winning %. Set to coach elsewhere for 2017 -- earliest. May happen, but I wouldn't bet on it. I don't see him staking his claim as a Grand Coach next year (2015) with the schedule, but 2016 will be his chance. If there's not a whole lot of hires going on, and he wins 9+ games with the 2017 team, then I could see him going then at the end of that year.

SO many jobs will open up and for a major'ish program he'll be considered pretty cheap and a proven recruiting talent. It's all speculative but he seems like a guy that's proven enough to buy low on.

Fleck has coached 20 games at WMU and lost 14 of them. Carey has coached 23 games at NIU and lost 5 of them. Fleck has done nothing. Yet, Fleck is great and Carey is struggling(lol).

Well, his wife did just recently leave him, so I think that caught up with him. But hey, we were 1-11 when she was around, so maybe that was a good thing, too?

Holy crap, did Tracie really leave him?

(10-26-2014 08:59 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Fleck has coached 20 games at WMU and lost 14 of them. Carey has coached 23 games at NIU and lost 5 of them. Fleck has done nothing. Yet, Fleck is great and Carey is struggling(lol).

+1

I think the Woody Hayes comparisons need to be maybe slightly restrained at this point. They are having a good conference season and have not won anything yet. Let's at least wait until he wins the MAC before we proclaim him the best coach in the land. There is no hiding what the MAC is this year, its turning out to be really bad, an obvious down year which many have attributed to QB play. The MAC will regain its footing soon, but every conference has a down year or two. I think this poses an extra opportunity for WMU to sneak in a MACC this year.

(10-25-2014 11:58 PM)Cowboy95 Wrote:  I wish I could argue with you, but you are right. Based off what NIU has done the last several weeks, I think they will be lucky to win this game. I have not paid a lot of attention to the whole P.J. thing, but the way he bolted on the O.C. job with NIU was completely low class. I understand he found a better opportunity both financially and probably for his career, but there is something to be said for a man keeping his word. I'm sure the kids he is recruiting could give 2 sh$ts about his bailing on his commitment to NIU, but eventually that set of values will catch up with him.

Since it says you joined in 2013, you must have missed other threads and discussions when it was brought up by some that there was a lot more to the situation. There were behind-the-scenes mistakes made on both sides, much of which snowballed. Fleck's statements in the post-game after WMU's loss in DeKalb last year were an indication that he has nothing but respect for this school -- some past personnel are another story. When some others do not keep their word, it becomes easier to opt for more money and another opportunity.

(10-26-2014 10:15 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 11:58 PM)Cowboy95 Wrote:  I wish I could argue with you, but you are right. Based off what NIU has done the last several weeks, I think they will be lucky to win this game. I have not paid a lot of attention to the whole P.J. thing, but the way he bolted on the O.C. job with NIU was completely low class. I understand he found a better opportunity both financially and probably for his career, but there is something to be said for a man keeping his word. I'm sure the kids he is recruiting could give 2 sh$ts about his bailing on his commitment to NIU, but eventually that set of values will catch up with him.

Since it says you joined in 2013, you must have missed other threads and discussions when it was brought up by some that there was a lot more to the situation. There were behind-the-scenes mistakes made on both sides, much of which snowballed. Fleck's statements in the post-game after WMU's loss in DeKalb last year were an indication that he has nothing but respect for this school -- some past personnel are another story. When some others do not keep their word, it becomes easier to opt for more money and another opportunity.

How he handled the situation was still really low class. His apology last year made a lot of people forgive him, myself included. We all make mistakes, mbut it sitll was low class.

Since he blocked you on Twitter, 7, I am not sure he has forgiven you.

(10-26-2014 08:59 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Fleck has coached 20 games at WMU and lost 14 of them. Carey has coached 23 games at NIU and lost 5 of them. Fleck has done nothing. Yet, Fleck is great and Carey is struggling(lol).

Fleck is a players coach!

He actually is building a team and not getting handed a powerhouse.

Fleck is going to have a much more successful coaching career than Carey

(10-27-2014 12:19 AM)yesman815 Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 08:59 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Fleck has coached 20 games at WMU and lost 14 of them. Carey has coached 23 games at NIU and lost 5 of them. Fleck has done nothing. Yet, Fleck is great and Carey is struggling(lol).

Fleck is a players coach!

He actually is building a team and not getting handed a powerhouse.

Fleck is going to have a much more successful coaching career than Carey

I think you have to be careful with that when talking about WMU. WMU is not in the same situation as an EMU, they have things to sell, and have largely been a successful program for a long time. To say PJ is building a program is a stretch, and inaccurate in much the way that one would say Kill "built" the NIU football program. The foundation of success at WMU was laid long before Fleck got there.

(10-26-2014 07:15 PM)yesman815 Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 06:42 PM)COHUSKIE Wrote:  Fleck will be an SEC, or ACC coach in the next 5 years

^

I'll bet you a full expense week bowl game trip if you take this bet


I will bet you he goes to power 5 conference in the next 5 years
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As a head coach? What exactly has he accomplished yet in the MAC?

(10-27-2014 07:00 AM)COHUSKIE Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 07:15 PM)yesman815 Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 06:42 PM)COHUSKIE Wrote:  Fleck will be an SEC, or ACC coach in the next 5 years

^

I'll bet you a full expense week bowl game trip if you take this bet


I will bet you he goes to power 5 conference in the next 5 years

As a head coach? What exactly has he accomplished yet in the MAC?
[/quote]

One thing I want to mention when we played them the game was a very sloppy game due to torential downpour! The ball was getting loose for both teams. Toledo had the ball in the redzone a couple times and it slipped out so we could have actually beat them at least by a couple more field goals, if not touchdowns, as we have the best kicker in the league. They are legit! You can tell by the score the conditions because both teams are scoring a lot of points but not that game.

(10-27-2014 01:05 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 12:19 AM)yesman815 Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 08:59 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Fleck has coached 20 games at WMU and lost 14 of them. Carey has coached 23 games at NIU and lost 5 of them. Fleck has done nothing. Yet, Fleck is great and Carey is struggling(lol).

Fleck is a players coach!

He actually is building a team and not getting handed a powerhouse.

Fleck is going to have a much more successful coaching career than Carey

I think you have to be careful with that when talking about WMU. WMU is not in the same situation as an EMU, they have things to sell, and have largely been a successful program for a long time. To say PJ is building a program is a stretch, and inaccurate in much the way that one would say Kill "built" the NIU football program. The foundation of success at WMU was laid long before Fleck got there.

I agree with this, I dont think WMU ever got to the bottom of the barrell like EMU did or even NIU for that matter. They have some tradition and history there.

(10-26-2014 09:02 PM)pjfleck82 Wrote:  Well, his wife did just recently leave him, so I think that caught up with him. But hey, we were 1-11 when she was around, so maybe that was a good thing, too?

Holy crap, did Tracie really leave him?

Wow if he is separated from his wife that is a shame. Putting the way he has handled college football aside, I know he and has wife went through a lot of heartache on a personal level. Things in life happen but you have to have someone there to get through them sometimes. Always hate to see break ups like this. Can someone confirm?

PJ Fleck = Urban Meyer

(10-27-2014 08:31 AM)klake87 Wrote:  PJ Fleck = Urban Meyer

Nah, Nick Saban.

(10-27-2014 08:36 AM)7 Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 08:31 AM)klake87 Wrote:  PJ Fleck = Urban Meyer

Nah, Nick Saban.

Is NIck Saban more of a used care salesman that Urban Meyer?

(10-26-2014 11:26 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:Fleck has coached 20 games at WMU and lost 14 of them. Carey has coached 23 games at NIU and lost 5 of them. Fleck has done nothing. Yet, Fleck is great and Carey is struggling(lol).

I agree -- but Fleck has done something. Turned a 1-11 team (which anything below 4-8 that year was His fault) -- into a winning team this year. He's on his way up. But due to that 1st year and no (real) coaching experience? A lot to prove to get hired elsewhere to a bigger place. I don't think he'll get hired for a "low buy" by a bigger program any time soon. Illinois is not going to want to go from Beckman -> Risk. I don't think Illinois is the only place that would want more of him to prove. He'll need to complete this year + 2015 (7-5; tough sched) + 2016 (10-3) -- before he's really considered, IMO.

Quote:Holy crap, did Tracie really leave him?

1. On the official WMU site, of his Bio, it HAD stuff about him & his wife being involved in charities and having 3 kids together, etc. All nice & warm. That's GONE. Now, no mention of him having a wife at all, and just a picture of only himself and his 3 kids.

2. Talk of the town on the inside that yes, he got filed divorce papers out of the blue. Among other things, which I won't get into -- again, talk. Among other reasons WHY, which are pretty bad but I'm not going to get into. :)

3. Friend of mine knows people who live in his neighborhood in Mattawan, MI. House is up for sale, and that he moved into an apt and she left to go back home where she's from with the kids, as that neighborhood says.

Take it for what it's worth. But hey, if it means WMU goes 8-4? I'LL TAKE IT.

Wow, thanks for the info. I hope his ex-wife copyrighted the "row the boat" phrase because that is taking off.

(10-27-2014 08:42 AM)pjfleck82 Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 11:26 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:Fleck has coached 20 games at WMU and lost 14 of them. Carey has coached 23 games at NIU and lost 5 of them. Fleck has done nothing. Yet, Fleck is great and Carey is struggling(lol).

I agree -- but Fleck has done something. Turned a 1-11 team (which anything below 4-8 that year was His fault) -- into a winning team this year. He's on his way up. But due to that 1st year and no (real) coaching experience? A lot to prove to get hired elsewhere to a bigger place. I don't think he'll get hired for a "low buy" by a bigger program any time soon. Illinois is not going to want to go from Beckman -> Risk. I don't think Illinois is the only place that would want more of him to prove. He'll need to complete this year + 2015 (7-5; tough sched) + 2016 (10-3) -- before he's really considered, IMO.

Quote:Holy crap, did Tracie really leave him?

1. On the official WMU site, of his Bio, it HAD stuff about him & his wife being involved in charities and having 3 kids together, etc. All nice & warm. That's GONE. Now, no mention of him having a wife at all, and just a picture of only himself and his 3 kids.

2. Talk of the town on the inside that yes, he got filed divorce papers out of the blue. Among other things, which I won't get into -- again, talk. Among other reasons WHY, which are pretty bad but I'm not going to get into. :)

3. Friend of mine knows people who live in his neighborhood in Mattawan, MI. House is up for sale, and that he moved into an apt and she left to go back home where she's from with the kids, as that neighborhood says.

Take it for what it's worth. But hey, if it means WMU goes 8-4? I'LL TAKE IT.

Wow, thanks for the info. I hope his ex-wife copyrighted the "row the boat" phrase because that is taking off.

She will get 50% of the rights in the divorce.

There was a rumor on the WMU board that he was boning a big booster's wife.