This is truly one thing you need the govt. on its freaking toes. No room for error. I'm appalled by the response so far. Obama should be on tv tonight explaining this virus to people. It's been amateur hour to say the least. I'm pissed.

Im with you Mach. We need a concise and clear course of action. At very least obama should hold a press conference and invite a medical professional with decades of ebola experience to gon over the basics.

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Check that. It's much worse already. The cdc has put our entire country in danger. I can't wait for the details to come out on these two nurses. We're they even capped and gowned? Protective plastic masks. How in the hell have TWO nurses contracted a level 4 biohazard in the US of F'in A. This is so wrong!

Not to say I told you so, really it's not- But, a couple of us did say at the very outset of this, and with the two Doc's that were brought home, no need to introduce this thing over here. Sorry, they knew what they were getting into, and the treatments available in Liberia are healing many of the people there. In fact, what apparently treated them was the antidote and that could have just as easily been flown over there.

Now, I realize they were not the cause of the spread, but guess what? Someone over there in Liberia got wind of this very effective cure and decided to take CLEAR and COMPLETE advantage of the 3 day expedited VISA program from Liberia to here and now here we/they are.

Every single person with the means, will and ability to do exactly what that assshole did will try it too. The precedent has been set.

Stupid PC-driven policy decisions have now introduced what could be a modern day plague. Have we shut down the flights from W Africa yet? We closed the Southern border yet? I've been out for a few hours- if the answer to those is no, expect more of the same...

I think a lot of people are upset. You can play politics with ISIS and stuff but when it comes to something like this there is no room for error and pontificating and arguing don't help.

I'm just mad about this. It's incomprehensible. If you wrote what happened here for a movie script the head writer would hand it back for a rewrite to make it believable. The stunning levels of incompetence on not 1 not 2 but 3 levels. It's a ****** birthday cake of doom.

(10-16-2014 07:57 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I'm just mad about this. It's incomprehensible. If you wrote what happened here for a movie script the head writer would hand it back for a rewrite to make it believable. The stunning levels of incompetence on not 1 not 2 but 3 levels. It's a ****** birthday cake of doom.

At the risk of turning this political, I'll take that risk-

This is exactly the same federal government we've have now entrusted to run much of our health care delivery system. You realize that, right?

i'm just glad that for once CDC funding is gonna be a legitimate political topic in an election year. the CDC needs way more support to carry out its mission from the public than what in normally gets.

Btw

I know a lot of people think this is a 1 or 2 on a 10 level scale. If we dodge this we got incredibly lucky. I'm not sure we're going to dodge this either. 570 people were on that plane after this nurse. I can't begin to tell you how pissed I am about that. This is the nastiest of the nasty. E fckin Bola. The **** I used to lecture about to get kids motivated about viruses. I can't believe 1. We brought people here with this. 2. Once they were here we were more careless than Charlie Sheen at swingers convention. Then 3 we let a nurse who contracted it fly with a ******* fever after she called the CDC asking for permission. WTF is happening here! I could go down to the local bar and pull sudsy out and fill him in with a 5 minute lecture and he could manage the phones better than these *****. Mfer I'm pissed.

I like this version of Mach!

LOL

Do me a favor and just look up Bio Hazard Level 4. Check that look at 2 and 3. The bubonic plague is a 2 I believe. Smallpox is a 3. Ebola is at the head of the line. Top 1 or 2 of SHYT you would never want getting loose. This stuff is highly contagious and incredibly deadly and we've exposed 600 people across a transnational vector. This is so so very very bad. Ignorance is bliss. Knowledge in this case causes sleepless nights.

CDC funding has been appropriate up to the onset of this event. That the CDC cannot adequately manage the cleanup of the Liberian's apartment, adequately train a hospital staff on the best-practice protocols when handling an ebola patient, and exhibits the utmost in negligence in not supervising nurse 2, and even granting permission for nurse 2 to fly with a fever........that is not a funding problem, that is a competence and leadership problem, and like many inner-city schools, throwing more good money after bad is not the solution.

And shall I mention the funding priorities the CDC have followed.....lesbian obesity, fruit fly sexual preference, origami condoms, and chimps flinging poo. And you want to give them more money? Hilarious.

For info

http://www.labmanager.com/lab-health-and...EB0x933arU

This isn't a funding issue. This is clearly a competency issue and heads should roll.

(10-16-2014 08:18 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i'm just glad that for once CDC funding is gonna be a legitimate political topic in an election year. the CDC needs way more support to carry out its mission from the public than what in normally gets.

Per their performance their funding should be cut. What have then done? A private company would do much more with much less money. Why are the biggest trolls on the sports boards always end up being the biggest socialist libs here?

When you think about the over kill we have all witnessed throughout the years. The left is tolerant the right complains. Yama yada yada we all know what we are talking about and where we are at.

That we had a biohazard 4 agent just loose. It's unfathomable. Incomprehensible. I'm about to go to a thesaurus. This is as bad as I have personally witnessed in my 43 years. This is worse than the Love Canal pollution.

We have witnessed people doing stuff in the name of safety this and study that. To leave this guy in Dallas at the Mercy of a city hospital is criminal negligence. It is. This is so bad on so many levels.

(10-16-2014 08:18 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i'm just glad that for once CDC funding is gonna be a legitimate political topic in an election year. the CDC needs way more support to carry out its mission from the public than what in normally gets.

This isn't a funding issue. There is not one shred of evidence to indicate that this problem would have been solved had CDC gotten more money.

It's a competence issue. Or maybe a motivation/attitude issue. Federal agencies exist to obtain funding. Whether they do anything useful with that funding is immaterial, as long as they keep getting more funding. Actually, being incompetent may be an advantage, because if the problem gets worse then you need more funding.

No bs. This is not something you want to get worse for funding. This was straight up criminal negligence asleep at the wheel. Trusting someone else to do your job. If you can't have boots on the ground with an index patient with a bio level 4 agent active. I honestly don't know what use you have? They should have had a TEAM of experts down there running the show immediately.

(10-16-2014 07:18 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Check that. It's much worse already. The cdc has put our entire country in danger. I can't wait for the details to come out on these two nurses. We're they even capped and gowned? Protective plastic masks. How in the hell have TWO nurses contracted a level 4 biohazard in the US of F'in A. This is so wrong!

This is the hospital's response to the nurses' union's allegations...

Ebola Update, Oct. 16, 4:00 a.m. CDT - Arlington - Texas Health Resources, Dallas, Fort Worth, Metroplex, Texas (TX)

http://texashealth.org/body.cfm?id=1629&...p;ref=1898 Wrote:The following are facts about procedures and protocols in place during Mr. Duncan’s treatment:

• When Mr. Duncan returned to the Emergency Department (ED), he arrived via EMS. He was moved directly to a private room and placed in isolation. THD staff wore the appropriate personal protective equipment (PPE) as recommended by the CDC at the time.
• Regarding the ED tube delivery system utilized during Mr. Duncan’s initial visit, all specimens were placed into closed specimens bags and placed inside a plastic carrier that travel through a pneumatic system. At no time did Mr. Duncan’s specimens leak or spill — either from their bag or their carrier — into the tube system.
• During Mr. Duncan’s second visit, the tube system was used only once and without issue.* After that, his specimens were triple-bagged, placed in a container, and placed into a closed transport container and hand-carried to the lab utilizing the buddy system. Additionally, while Mr. Duncan was in the MICU, all lab specimens were hand-carried and sealed per protocol. Routine labs were done in his room via wireless equipment.
• Nurses who interacted with Mr. Duncan wore PPE consistent with the CDC guidelines. Staff had shoe covers, face shields were required, and an N-95 mask was optional — again, consistent with the CDC guidelines at the time.
• When the CDC issued updates, as they did with leg covers, we followed their guidelines.
• When the CDC recommended that nurses wear isolation suits, the nurses raised questions and concerns about the fact that the skin on their neck was exposed. The
• CDC recommended that they pinch and tape the necks of the gown. Because our nurses continued to be concerned, particularly about removing the tape, we ordered hoods.
• Protective gear followed governing CDC guidelines at the time.
• The CDC classified risk/exposure levels. Nurses who were classified as “no known exposure” or “no risk” were allowed to treat other patients per the CDC guidance.
• Per the CDC guidelines, patients who may have been exposed were always housed or isolated per the CDC guidance.
• Regarding hazardous waste, the hospital went above and beyond the CDC recommendations. Waste was well-contained in accordance with standards, and it was located in safe and containable locations.
• Admittedly, when we received Tyvek suits, some were too large. We have since received smaller sizes, but it is possible that nurses used tape to cinch the suits for a better fit.
  

(10-16-2014 09:20 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  No bs. This is not something you want to get worse for funding. This was straight up criminal negligence asleep at the wheel. Trusting someone else to do your job. If you can't have boots on the ground with an index patient with a bio level 4 agent active. I honestly don't know what use you have? They should have had a TEAM of experts down there running the show immediately.

What evidence do you have of anything that rises to criminal negligence? I've been critical of both the CDC and the hospital ... I think that criticism more rightly belongs on the CDC in the context of the hospital's statement above.

Your post smacks of the Chinese approach to crisis - find someone to execute, execute them quickly and move on, because the attention of the public is fleeting.