(10-17-2014 10:31 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  Here are some quotes from their message board when UCF announced a 2 for 1 with Texas. They've changed their tune a lot now that they signed the same exact deal.

http://thebullspen.com/topic/27074-texas-vs-ucf-series/

Quote: Texas came to USF FIRST.  They wanted a 1 for 2 (one here 2 at Texas).  The USF athletic director said home and home or nothing.  

I say good for us, with teams like Auburn, Miami and other BCS schools willing to schedule 1 for 1's we don't need that kind of deal.

Quote:USF doesn't take 2 for 1 contracts, and that's the fact, Jack.  So, if they did approach us, we'd have turned it down. 

Quote: I think that after this whole 4 year debocle we signed with UCF we should offer them a 2-1 or 5-2 or something.  Prove to them that we're better. 

Is this what this board had degenerated to? This is like 3 year olds on a playground. So just to stir the pot you have to dig up quotes from some other message board (can't find enough bad stuff here?) and post them here to be inflammatory? Are you bored or what?

Oh wait a minute... apologies to my friend Kruciff. I forgot, he educated me that's exactly what this board is for!

(10-17-2014 11:09 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 10:31 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  Here are some quotes from their message board when UCF announced a 2 for 1 with Texas. They've changed their tune a lot now that they signed the same exact deal.

http://thebullspen.com/topic/27074-texas-vs-ucf-series/

Quote: Texas came to USF FIRST.  They wanted a 1 for 2 (one here 2 at Texas).  The USF athletic director said home and home or nothing.  

I say good for us, with teams like Auburn, Miami and other BCS schools willing to schedule 1 for 1's we don't need that kind of deal.

Quote:USF doesn't take 2 for 1 contracts, and that's the fact, Jack.  So, if they did approach us, we'd have turned it down. 

Quote: I think that after this whole 4 year debocle we signed with UCF we should offer them a 2-1 or 5-2 or something.  Prove to them that we're better. 

Things have changed. We were A) winning, B) in a BCS conference, and C) had yet to be demoted. We didn't sign 2-1 or 1-0 deals (except for Florida and Notre Dame) when in a BCS conference. Unfortunately things have now changed and this was probably the best deal we could get. I am probably in the minority, but I am not crazy about signing a 2-1. Don't like it.

I think 1 for 1 games are still on the table for UCF and USF with most P5 teams. Its just the really marquee programs like Texas, Florida, and Ohio State that won't do them.

Here is a link to a really cool panoramic photo of the UCF Texas game in 2009. You can zoom in anywhere and find yourself. If you look to the right you can see a small patch of black in the Orange. These are the worst seats in college football. http://gigapan.com/gigapans?order=most_p...d=dcarroll

(10-17-2014 11:23 AM)Juan Tibonya Wrote:  Here is a link to a really cool panoramic photo of the UCF Texas game in 2009. You can zoom in anywhere and find yourself. If you look to the right you can see a small patch of black in the Orange. These are the worst seats in college football. http://gigapan.com/gigapans?order=most_p...d=dcarroll

That's amazing!

(10-17-2014 11:23 AM)Juan Tibonya Wrote:  Here is a link to a really cool panoramic photo of the UCF Texas game in 2009. You can zoom in anywhere and find yourself. If you look to the right you can see a small patch of black in the Orange. These are the worst seats in college football. http://gigapan.com/gigapans?order=most_p...d=dcarroll

Wow, those seats aren't even angled to face the field!

Are we sure USF will have a football program by then?

(10-17-2014 12:35 PM)Miami Knights Wrote:  Are we sure USF will have a football program by then?

Will Texas?

Not like they've been very good for several years now.

(10-17-2014 12:42 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 12:35 PM)Miami Knights Wrote:  Are we sure USF will have a football program by then?

Will Texas?

Not like they've been very good for several years now.

Texas attracts more than 200 people to their games.

Um, I kinda hope we take more 2-1 when we are getting paid $1.2 million to go back to Texas... hell, Ill take that every year if we can get it.

and USF has a lifetime attendance average higher than UCF. Don't let temporary success go to your head. I lived 1/4 mile away when you didn't sell out your own stadium for the CUSA championship.... and I remember when you played downtown. Holy hell that crowd made ours look huge.

(10-17-2014 02:05 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Um, I kinda hope we take more 2-1 when we are getting paid $1.2 million to go back to Texas... hell, Ill take that every year if we can get it.

and USF has a lifetime attendance average higher than UCF. Don't let temporary success go to your head. I lived 1/4 mile away when you didn't sell out your own stadium for the CUSA championship.... and I remember when you played downtown. Holy hell that crowd made ours look huge.

I don't talk attendance smack since its very low hanging fruit, but "temporary success?" Our average over the last 7 years when we built our OCS is close to 40,000. Even when we had a 4 win season in 2008 (our worst since we had the OCS) we still averaged 39k.

Back on topic: This is a good series for South Florida. I hope UCF can schedule another one like it again. I think its important for AAC schools to get 2 OOC P5 schools each year. If we can win, it greatly improves our access bowl chances and differentiates us from other G5 conferences with softer OOC schedules.

I also think Texas will be back to their former strength by the time this series begins.

(10-17-2014 02:41 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 02:05 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Um, I kinda hope we take more 2-1 when we are getting paid $1.2 million to go back to Texas... hell, Ill take that every year if we can get it.

and USF has a lifetime attendance average higher than UCF. Don't let temporary success go to your head. I lived 1/4 mile away when you didn't sell out your own stadium for the CUSA championship.... and I remember when you played downtown. Holy hell that crowd made ours look huge.

I don't talk attendance smack since its very low hanging fruit, but "temporary success?" Our average over the last 7 years when we built our OCS is close to 40,000. Even when we had a 4 win season in 2008 (our worst since we had the OCS) we still averaged 39k.

Back on topic: This is a good series for South Florida. I hope UCF can schedule another one like it again. I think its important for AAC schools to get 2 OOC P5 schools each year. If we can win, it greatly improves our access bowl chances and differentiates us from other G5 conferences with softer OOC schedules.

I also think Texas will be back to their former strength by the time this series begins.

If both programs are successful, attendances for both USF and UCF will be very similar. Actually, while in the Big East from 2005-2011 or so, USF's attendance was higher than UCF's and is some cases far and away higher. Now USF is down and UCF's is higher. Both can reasonably expect to draw 40-45K in good or exceptional years, as USF did and then some most years in the Big East and as UCF seems to be doing now.

(10-17-2014 03:33 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 02:41 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 02:05 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Um, I kinda hope we take more 2-1 when we are getting paid $1.2 million to go back to Texas... hell, Ill take that every year if we can get it.

and USF has a lifetime attendance average higher than UCF. Don't let temporary success go to your head. I lived 1/4 mile away when you didn't sell out your own stadium for the CUSA championship.... and I remember when you played downtown. Holy hell that crowd made ours look huge.

I don't talk attendance smack since its very low hanging fruit, but "temporary success?" Our average over the last 7 years when we built our OCS is close to 40,000. Even when we had a 4 win season in 2008 (our worst since we had the OCS) we still averaged 39k.

Back on topic: This is a good series for South Florida. I hope UCF can schedule another one like it again. I think its important for AAC schools to get 2 OOC P5 schools each year. If we can win, it greatly improves our access bowl chances and differentiates us from other G5 conferences with softer OOC schedules.

I also think Texas will be back to their former strength by the time this series begins.

If both programs are successful, attendances for both USF and UCF will be very similar. Actually, while in the Big East from 2005-2011 or so, USF's attendance was higher than UCF's and is some cases far and away higher. Now USF is down and UCF's is higher. Both can reasonably expect to draw 40-45K in good or exceptional years, as USF did and then some most years in the Big East and as UCF seems to be doing now.

Absolutely. I don't think either team is able to significantly outdraw the other except for USF's having a much larger stadium at the moment. A game that might draw 50k+ at RJ would be capped at 45k at BNS.

Once USF gets an OCS and UCF expands theirs, I expect attendance to be similar. If USF had their OCS now, I'd bet the attendance would be at least 30k the last couple years instead of the 15-20k or whatever it's been.

(10-16-2014 04:23 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 04:15 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 04:04 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  Nice chunk of change for that third game

Today it is, but who knows where payments will be in 2024. Wouldn't surprise me to see them be over 2 million by then.

Still a lot better than taking a 1 and done IMO.

Like we did... I'd much rather host UF and take two trips down there for 1.2m.

Yeah, me too...but it would have to be against someone other than UF. It isn't that we are ECU. We could be UNC and their answer would have been the same. They haven't played a non-conference out of state game in a very long time.

(10-17-2014 03:42 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 03:33 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 02:41 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 02:05 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Um, I kinda hope we take more 2-1 when we are getting paid $1.2 million to go back to Texas... hell, Ill take that every year if we can get it.

and USF has a lifetime attendance average higher than UCF. Don't let temporary success go to your head. I lived 1/4 mile away when you didn't sell out your own stadium for the CUSA championship.... and I remember when you played downtown. Holy hell that crowd made ours look huge.

I don't talk attendance smack since its very low hanging fruit, but "temporary success?" Our average over the last 7 years when we built our OCS is close to 40,000. Even when we had a 4 win season in 2008 (our worst since we had the OCS) we still averaged 39k.

Back on topic: This is a good series for South Florida. I hope UCF can schedule another one like it again. I think its important for AAC schools to get 2 OOC P5 schools each year. If we can win, it greatly improves our access bowl chances and differentiates us from other G5 conferences with softer OOC schedules.

I also think Texas will be back to their former strength by the time this series begins.

If both programs are successful, attendances for both USF and UCF will be very similar. Actually, while in the Big East from 2005-2011 or so, USF's attendance was higher than UCF's and is some cases far and away higher. Now USF is down and UCF's is higher. Both can reasonably expect to draw 40-45K in good or exceptional years, as USF did and then some most years in the Big East and as UCF seems to be doing now.

Absolutely. I don't think either team is able to significantly outdraw the other except for USF's having a much larger stadium at the moment. A game that might draw 50k+ at RJ would be capped at 45k at BNS.

Once USF gets an OCS and UCF expands theirs, I expect attendance to be similar. If USF had their OCS now, I'd bet the attendance would be at least 30k the last couple years instead of the 15-20k or whatever it's been.

I don't think announced attendance has ever fallen below 30K average since way back in the 1AA or early 1A days, but yes I get your point, since actual bodies are released by tampa sports authority unlike everyone else, yes they are less than announced and in some cases in the 20K range and would be much higher if on campus. If/when USF gets an OCS, it will be in the 45-50K capacity range IMO...guaranteed sellouts for the FSU's and other big name programs, if we're going off past history, seeing as FSU was 67K announced at RJS a couple years ago and UCF was over 60K at RJS I think.

(10-17-2014 04:24 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 03:42 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 03:33 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 02:41 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 02:05 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Um, I kinda hope we take more 2-1 when we are getting paid $1.2 million to go back to Texas... hell, Ill take that every year if we can get it.

and USF has a lifetime attendance average higher than UCF. Don't let temporary success go to your head. I lived 1/4 mile away when you didn't sell out your own stadium for the CUSA championship.... and I remember when you played downtown. Holy hell that crowd made ours look huge.

I don't talk attendance smack since its very low hanging fruit, but "temporary success?" Our average over the last 7 years when we built our OCS is close to 40,000. Even when we had a 4 win season in 2008 (our worst since we had the OCS) we still averaged 39k.

Back on topic: This is a good series for South Florida. I hope UCF can schedule another one like it again. I think its important for AAC schools to get 2 OOC P5 schools each year. If we can win, it greatly improves our access bowl chances and differentiates us from other G5 conferences with softer OOC schedules.

I also think Texas will be back to their former strength by the time this series begins.

If both programs are successful, attendances for both USF and UCF will be very similar. Actually, while in the Big East from 2005-2011 or so, USF's attendance was higher than UCF's and is some cases far and away higher. Now USF is down and UCF's is higher. Both can reasonably expect to draw 40-45K in good or exceptional years, as USF did and then some most years in the Big East and as UCF seems to be doing now.

Absolutely. I don't think either team is able to significantly outdraw the other except for USF's having a much larger stadium at the moment. A game that might draw 50k+ at RJ would be capped at 45k at BNS.

Once USF gets an OCS and UCF expands theirs, I expect attendance to be similar. If USF had their OCS now, I'd bet the attendance would be at least 30k the last couple years instead of the 15-20k or whatever it's been.

I don't think announced attendance has ever fallen below 30K average since way back in the 1AA or early 1A days, but yes I get your point, since actual bodies are released by tampa sports authority unlike everyone else, yes they are less than announced and in some cases in the 20K range and would be much higher if on campus. If/when USF gets an OCS, it will be in the 45-50K capacity range IMO...guaranteed sellouts for the FSU's and other big name programs, if we're going off past history, seeing as FSU was 67K announced at RJS a couple years ago and UCF was over 60K at RJS I think.

In 2007, West Virginia was 67k and UCF was 66k. 45-50k sounds good, especially if it's expandable up to 60-65k. That'll give lots of room to grow, but it'll also always be nearly full.

I would like to see a 40-45k to start but not sure I like the idea of expanding past 50-55k. The reality is that sports have changed and are now more than ever becoming TV events. The days of huge stadiums to cater to the fan base has past now most everyone can see the games on TV in some form or other.
The future it's going to be smaller stadiums that makes going to the games an experience, this is where creating good food facilities, providing wireless access and integration with the game etc comes into play.
There is more money in creating fancy but expensive box suites than in adding an upper deck of cheap seats.
You need to create a demand for your product. Right now because of the size of RJS and the product on the field there is little demand to have to get season tickets unless you are a die hard supporter. In my book next year USF should return to NOT opening the upper decks creating a max capacity of around 44k and re evaluating the donation levels in the lower bowl to create more areas that do not require donation levels.

(10-16-2014 03:49 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  At Texas on 2019
Opening game of season in Tampa 2022
At Texas in 2024

USF will receive 1.2 million for the 2024 game.

That is fantastic news! Kudos to our AD.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

(10-18-2014 08:59 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I would like to see a 40-45k to start but not sure I like the idea of expanding past 50-55k. The reality is that sports have changed and are now more than ever becoming TV events. The days of huge stadiums to cater to the fan base has past now most everyone can see the games on TV in some form or other.
The future it's going to be smaller stadiums that makes going to the games an experience, this is where creating good food facilities, providing wireless access and integration with the game etc comes into play.
There is more money in creating fancy but expensive box suites than in adding an upper deck of cheap seats.
You need to create a demand for your product. Right now because of the size of RJS and the product on the field there is little demand to have to get season tickets unless you are a die hard supporter. In my book next year USF should return to NOT opening the upper decks creating a max capacity of around 44k and re evaluating the donation levels in the lower bowl to create more areas that do not require donation levels.

The money in football may also go away VERY quickly. With all the major networks offering ala cart options, there very well may be a day that the average person who doesn't watch ESPN can cut them out of their tv programming and not pay the $5 a month to have them. They will also have the option to not pay for the conference network channels.

If and when that happens, the entire college landscape will change.

This is why I am happy that we are being smart and looking to stay within our financial structure. We wont build a bouncy tin can, but we also wont drop $250 million on a stadium that long term we may not be able to pay off.

(10-18-2014 08:59 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I would like to see a 40-45k to start but not sure I like the idea of expanding past 50-55k. The reality is that sports have changed and are now more than ever becoming TV events. The days of huge stadiums to cater to the fan base has past now most everyone can see the games on TV in some form or other.
The future it's going to be smaller stadiums that makes going to the games an experience, this is where creating good food facilities, providing wireless access and integration with the game etc comes into play.
There is more money in creating fancy but expensive box suites than in adding an upper deck of cheap seats.
You need to create a demand for your product. Right now because of the size of RJS and the product on the field there is little demand to have to get season tickets unless you are a die hard supporter. In my book next year USF should return to NOT opening the upper decks creating a max capacity of around 44k and re evaluating the donation levels in the lower bowl to create more areas that do not require donation levels.

2 good ideas...as unless you a program that can draw 80,000-100,000 for virtually any game in any year...best to focus on building smaller stadiums with some high revenue amenities (like Cinci is doing...adding approx 5,000 high revenue seats for a 40,000 capacity).

USF should open up a lot of non-booster sections in the 2 lower levels...as have sparse crowds spread out over 3 levels of seats in a huge 65,000 seat stadium...that doesn't help create a home-field advantage....and moving to filling the lower 2 bowls with a 44,000 capacity would actually help sell more season tix (better seats available without donations) and even help generate advanced single game tix where the lower 2 bowls might sellout for a game or two...and keep it at that total...dont open up a 3rd level for another extra 1,000-2,000 fans...as that would only force more to buy single game tix even earlier.

(10-18-2014 09:21 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-18-2014 08:59 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I would like to see a 40-45k to start but not sure I like the idea of expanding past 50-55k. The reality is that sports have changed and are now more than ever becoming TV events. The days of huge stadiums to cater to the fan base has past now most everyone can see the games on TV in some form or other.
The future it's going to be smaller stadiums that makes going to the games an experience, this is where creating good food facilities, providing wireless access and integration with the game etc comes into play.
There is more money in creating fancy but expensive box suites than in adding an upper deck of cheap seats.
You need to create a demand for your product. Right now because of the size of RJS and the product on the field there is little demand to have to get season tickets unless you are a die hard supporter. In my book next year USF should return to NOT opening the upper decks creating a max capacity of around 44k and re evaluating the donation levels in the lower bowl to create more areas that do not require donation levels.

The money in football may also go away VERY quickly. With all the major networks offering ala cart options, there very well may be a day that the average person who doesn't watch ESPN can cut them out of their tv programming and not pay the $5 a month to have them. They will also have the option to not pay for the conference network channels.

If and when that happens, the entire college landscape will change.

This is why I am happy that we are being smart and looking to stay within our financial structure. We wont build a bouncy tin can, but we also wont drop $250 million on a stadium that long term we may not be able to pay off.

I m praying hard for a la carte programing that eliminates P5 networks/money and takes $ from ESPN. I dream for the day....