Funny thing is you go on his B12 page and there is no mention of expansion.

I think this is all fun to read and speculate on. We all love trying to figure out what is going to happen, as all hope our schools end up with the golden ticket. We all know the Big12 is gonna hold out as long as possible, but if they ever do expand all hell will break loose. I could see it happening one of two ways.
First, BYU decides they have to come on board. Then the Big12 poaches Louisville from the ACC and grabs USF and UCF from the AAC. ACC grabs UConn, AAC either stays at 12 or grabs SMiss and Marshall and CUSA 1.0 or 2.0, I forget which, is essentially reborn.
The second option would be that the Big12 decides BYU isn't worth the effort, and in an attempt not to upset the other "P5" conferences, leaves them alone. The Big12 grabs Memphis, Cincy, USF and UCF, essentially killing the AAC and creating a level of separation that schools on the outside will never be able to overcome. Personally I think this is the most logical route. Memphis and Cincy improve Big12 basketball, Memphis gives them the Liberty Bowl, USF and UCF means that every Big12 team could play a FL school each year. Add the fact that it kills the AAC and it's a win all the way around. Cincy, Memphis, USF, and UCF would all agree to a semi-convoluted conference deal that placed some games on the Longhorn network, and ESPN would probably work out something with the BIG12 and Texas if it meant killing off the AAC for good.

(10-15-2014 08:48 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Funny thing is you go on his B12 page and there is no mention of expansion.

There was a time shortly before the ACC expanded that there was no mention of it either. Just saying

After watching the last decade of moves, why does ANYONE still think single-season performance on the field has ANYTHING to do with realignment?

The Big 12 should have passed on West Virginia (who would have possibly landed in the more geographically sensible ACC) and taken the Metro 3 (Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis) to get to 12. At least that's what they did on my xBox and it's worked out pretty well.

(10-14-2014 10:24 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(10-14-2014 09:55 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-14-2014 12:27 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  He lost all credibility with his Memphis part. USF isn't doing anything in any sport and they hard ahead of Memphis? He obviously hasn't
seen the upgrades. Failed troll attempt.

We have been down in football but we were in the NCAA tourney just 2 years ago, have a solid baseball team which has a current recruiting class in the top 15 in the nation.
We have a top soccer team, top golf, amazing facilities (with current work on a OCS) and just moved up 11 spots on academic ranking...along with having out endowment over $400 million and have raised almost $800 million in new funding on our $1 billion campaign.

People don't realize that a single sport success doesn't fully matter in college football. There are other factors that conferences look at.... and tv partners will always look at DMA. That is why USF and UCF will ALWAYS be in the conversation.

If I had money to put on how all of this will go down within the next 10 years... USF, UCF, Memphis and Cinci will go to the B12. (perfect mix of travel partners and markets) UConn will be added to the ACC when Notre Dame is pushed to join.
Houston, SMU, Tulsa and Tulane will move to the MWC who will get a boost in TV contract because they become the defacto 6th best conference AND there will be fewer conferences to bid on and therefore increase value.
Unfortunately, I see Temple, Navy, and ECU being left with poor options. ECU is a great football team but the rest of their sports and market leave much to be desired. Ive been a closet pirate fan for a while and wish they would come to the B12 also, but the finacials of it just don't make sense. Temple... I don't think any team does well in Philly. Truth is, they would be better in a conference that is based around basketball and not football. Navy... They'll go back to being indy. No biggy.

Please don't say "the rest of ECU's sports". ECU arguably has the best football and baseball program in this league. Current day, historically, fanbase, and whatever else you want to argue. Our women's hoops program is more than respectable as well. Our Men's hoops team is what you're talking about and I bet we're competitive there this year.

Yes, at the current moment ECU is leading the conference and last year you were not. Next year I kinda doubt you will. Baseball you are solid, but that's not what is driving the bus for expansion.

ECU is a solid program and I really do like yall but there are a handful of things that will keep ECU from making the Big 12. Your market is tiny and if the B12 expands it will be partly to enlarge their market share. ECU really doesn't do that. Even if you capture 100% of your market, USF and UCF would only have to capture about 30% of ours to beat that size.
Second, your academics, endowment and research status are not at the level that most in the Big 12 are at. WVU is currently the lowest ranked team academically and yall lag behind them. USF and UCF... and Cinci are all Tier 1 research institutes. Cinci is the highest ranked, with USF and then UCF.
Third, basketball counts in the Big 12. Cinci, Memphis, USF and UCF have all had more success than ECU and all four are positioned to have good years in the future. ECU is definitely lagging there. ECU may have a decent womans team. USFs is going to be top 25 at beginning of the season.

In a fair world, ECU would be given an opportunity to grow with the proper funds from a major conference. IF so, I think they could really turn out to be a power house but the absolute truth is that right now your at the top of the 6th best conference and you only have a 1/2 year history of being at that level. Before that, you were ONE of the best teams in the 8th best conference.

Nobody in the AAC is a powerhouse and once the fans accept that then maybe we wont all be labled as delusional.

(10-15-2014 09:04 AM)Chappy Wrote:  After watching the last decade of moves, why does ANYONE still think single-season performance on the field has ANYTHING to do with realignment?

Because it does? It might not be the single biggest deciding factor, but there's a reason that not every addition is based purely on market size.

(10-15-2014 09:14 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(10-15-2014 09:04 AM)Chappy Wrote:  After watching the last decade of moves, why does ANYONE still think single-season performance on the field has ANYTHING to do with realignment?

Because it does? It might not be the single biggest deciding factor, but there's a reason that not every addition is based purely on market size.

On field performance
Market size
Academic ranking / Endowment size
Facilities
Alumni base size

Those are probably the five biggest reasons a conference takes a team. Right now in the AAC I would say there are four to five that lead the pack in those areas across the board and have the best chance of moving into a P5 conference...but that wont happen until the Big 12 is forced to expand for a championship game or their revenue model changes... or they get tired of having the fewest votes amongst the P5 conference.

On field performance, yes. But I'm talking about 1 year. Doesn't matter.

Would be fun for these four schools, but the multiple reasons why the B12 wont expand have been well documented on other threads. They simply have no reason to expand, and several reasons NOT to expand.

IF the rumor has UCF going to a power conference, I deem the source completely credible.

(10-15-2014 09:09 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-14-2014 10:24 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(10-14-2014 09:55 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-14-2014 12:27 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  He lost all credibility with his Memphis part. USF isn't doing anything in any sport and they hard ahead of Memphis? He obviously hasn't
seen the upgrades. Failed troll attempt.

We have been down in football but we were in the NCAA tourney just 2 years ago, have a solid baseball team which has a current recruiting class in the top 15 in the nation.
We have a top soccer team, top golf, amazing facilities (with current work on a OCS) and just moved up 11 spots on academic ranking...along with having out endowment over $400 million and have raised almost $800 million in new funding on our $1 billion campaign.

People don't realize that a single sport success doesn't fully matter in college football. There are other factors that conferences look at.... and tv partners will always look at DMA. That is why USF and UCF will ALWAYS be in the conversation.

If I had money to put on how all of this will go down within the next 10 years... USF, UCF, Memphis and Cinci will go to the B12. (perfect mix of travel partners and markets) UConn will be added to the ACC when Notre Dame is pushed to join.
Houston, SMU, Tulsa and Tulane will move to the MWC who will get a boost in TV contract because they become the defacto 6th best conference AND there will be fewer conferences to bid on and therefore increase value.
Unfortunately, I see Temple, Navy, and ECU being left with poor options. ECU is a great football team but the rest of their sports and market leave much to be desired. Ive been a closet pirate fan for a while and wish they would come to the B12 also, but the finacials of it just don't make sense. Temple... I don't think any team does well in Philly. Truth is, they would be better in a conference that is based around basketball and not football. Navy... They'll go back to being indy. No biggy.

Please don't say "the rest of ECU's sports". ECU arguably has the best football and baseball program in this league. Current day, historically, fanbase, and whatever else you want to argue. Our women's hoops program is more than respectable as well. Our Men's hoops team is what you're talking about and I bet we're competitive there this year.

Yes, at the current moment ECU is leading the conference and last year you were not. Next year I kinda doubt you will. Baseball you are solid, but that's not what is driving the bus for expansion.

ECU is a solid program and I really do like yall but there are a handful of things that will keep ECU from making the Big 12. Your market is tiny and if the B12 expands it will be partly to enlarge their market share. ECU really doesn't do that. Even if you capture 100% of your market, USF and UCF would only have to capture about 30% of ours to beat that size.
Second, your academics, endowment and research status are not at the level that most in the Big 12 are at. WVU is currently the lowest ranked team academically and yall lag behind them. USF and UCF... and Cinci are all Tier 1 research institutes. Cinci is the highest ranked, with USF and then UCF.
Third, basketball counts in the Big 12. Cinci, Memphis, USF and UCF have all had more success than ECU and all four are positioned to have good years in the future. ECU is definitely lagging there. ECU may have a decent womans team. USFs is going to be top 25 at beginning of the season.

In a fair world, ECU would be given an opportunity to grow with the proper funds from a major conference. IF so, I think they could really turn out to be a power house but the absolute truth is that right now your at the top of the 6th best conference and you only have a 1/2 year history of being at that level. Before that, you were ONE of the best teams in the 8th best conference.--You do remember the seasons before CUSA right? Some big wins over Miami. The Peach Bowl? I think you're cutting us a little short sir

Nobody in the AAC is a powerhouse and once the fans accept that then maybe we wont all be labled as delusional.--hahahaha. Sad, but true.

I see quo made himself a new alt.

Two weeks ago he had UC getting a Big 12 invite in 4 weeks. Apparently the defensive struggles of a football team has totally derailed conference realignment for UC. What a hack . That name sounds made up . Like something from The Simpsons, Bart's prank phone calls to Mo

I already bought all my new Big 12 gear.

Last I saw was that they wanted Cincy for sure and then it was between UCF and Memphis to go to 12 teams to have a playoff then the rule changed and they didn't need to go. I can't see them going to 14 anytime.

1) Who is C. Austin Cox?

2) Why should I care what he thinks?

I'll say again, if the goal was a large football conference, with a good footprint and a presence in major markets, with the added benefit of a cc game, and sticking a flag in ACC and SEC territory, this might actually happen. This would allow them to avoid one of the many mistakes the old Big East made...

Unfortunately as the driver is almost entirely profit, this won't happen.

(10-15-2014 04:07 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  1) Who is C. Austin Cox?

2) Why should I care what he thinks?

His name should tell you why he's full of chit.

(10-15-2014 07:18 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(10-15-2014 04:07 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  1) Who is C. Austin Cox?

2) Why should I care what he thinks?

His name should tell you why he's full of chit.

I think the smart move would be to add ucf, Memphis, ECU & ucon/uc. The problem is texas disagrees so not happening