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I suspect that the Ebola Virus is going to spread much more deeply on American soil than predicted. A nurse in Texas who was caring for an African infected Ebola victim has now contracted the disease herself even though she was wearing CDC prescribed protective gear .

Commentary from the CDC on her infection, was that she must've breeched protocol. But of course, they did not describe which protocol she allegedly breached. Because they don't know and they are grasping at straws.

We're in trouble, in part due to American arrogance.

Polar Vortex II will protect us.

(10-12-2014 01:06 PM)BCBronco Wrote:  I suspect that the Ebola Virus is going to spread much more deeply on American soil than predicted. A nurse in Texas who was caring for an African infected Ebola victim has now contracted the disease herself even though she was wearing CDC prescribed protective gear .

Commentary from the CDC on her infection, was that she must've breeched protocol. But of course, they did not describe which protocol she allegedly breached. Because they don't know and they are grasping at straws.

We're in trouble, in part due to American arrogance.

And the real question is, how many other patients did the nurse come into contact with????

(10-12-2014 02:59 PM)Broncobelt Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 01:06 PM)BCBronco Wrote:  I suspect that the Ebola Virus is going to spread much more deeply on American soil than predicted. A nurse in Texas who was caring for an African infected Ebola victim has now contracted the disease herself even though she was wearing CDC prescribed protective gear .

Commentary from the CDC on her infection, was that she must've breeched protocol. But of course, they did not describe which protocol she allegedly breached. Because they don't know and they are grasping at straws.

We're in trouble, in part due to American arrogance.

And the real question is, how many other patients did the nurse come into contact with????

Exactly

CDC says in tracking between 1976 and 2012, annual deaths from just the regular seasonal flu have ranged between 3,000 and 49,000. Hard to track exactly, and variable depending on the strain and on immunity.

Still, only a fraction of people even get the flu shot.

Similar with other stuff. Death from coronary disease in the mid 6 figures, people don't care, overeat, overweight, don't exercise, etc.

Ebola is a dramatic disease, but really, at this point, not a big cause for concern in the overall scheme of things. Bigger chance of being killed by a lightning strike.

What are you guys worrying about. The President has it under control. He sent 3000 American troops over to West African to fight Ebola. Apparently, a machine gun can take it out.

Best of all, now we can count on 3000 potential carriers when they return back to America.

I saw an interview with a border patrol agent (he was shadowed out, so as to protect his identity from Big Brother). The agent said, border agents are worried sick that they'll apprehend Ebola patients trying to cross our wide open southern border into the US.

I really felt confident when the head of the CDC stated, that the last thing we want to do is stop all incoming traffic from West Africa. He rattled off some gibberish that made no sense at all. Using his logic, the best way to avoid passing the flu is to send your sick child to school and expose him to others. Seriously, the federal government is beyond stupid. If anyone can mess this up it's them.

Yes this is clearly Obama's fault. Big government and that annoying CDC is causing this problem. The right wing mindset parroted by Dip here is little different than the reactionaries in W. Africa who blame ebola on the medical people treating it and break into hospitals freeing people in quarantine.

(10-12-2014 07:06 PM)Liam9903 Wrote:  Yes this is clearly Obama's fault. Big government and that annoying CDC is causing this problem. The right wing mindset parroted by Dip here is little different than the reactionaries in W. Africa who blame ebola on the medical people treating it and break into hospitals freeing people in quarantine.

No, they're reactive rather than proactive. When the polls show Americans want all traffic from West Africa stopped then they'll be all over it.

One day the CDC director is telling us it can only be spread by an exchange of bodily fluids, the next day a nurse in Spain has it and she was wearing Hasmat gear the entire time she was around an Ebola patient.

Leadership is telling the public how they can ere on the side of caution. Right now we're getting this "move along, nothing to see here" dodge. That concerns me.

This has nothing to do with Obama or Democrats or Republicans. This has to do with an inept and out of touch government that transcends any political party. This is an event that should be treated with great caution. This is not an event that can be dealt with using the typical cavalier and casual American approach to things. We can't bludgeoned a virus to death with American war power. We cannot be the big bulliies on the block thinking that is an approach to deal with an incurable and deadly virus.

Dip and I are politically opposed, but I think in this situation we both have enough common sense and life experience to recognize this as a potential event of catastrophic proportions given how this is being handled so far.

Yeah, like the general said, it gets a foothold in Central America, Johnny bar the door.

(10-12-2014 08:27 PM)BCBronco Wrote:  This has nothing to do with Obama or Democrats or Republicans. This has to do with an inept and out of touch government that transcends any political party. This is an event that should be treated with great caution. This is not an event that can be dealt with using the typical cavalier and casual American approach to things. We can't bludgeoned a virus to death with American war power. We cannot be the big bulliies on the block thinking that is an approach to deal with an incurable and deadly virus.

Dip and I are politically opposed, but I think in this situation we both have enough common sense and life experience to recognize this as a potential event of catastrophic proportions given how this is being handled so far.

Enos would play him if he had Ebola.

My wife was talking to a hospital nursing administrator here (Great Lakes Bay Region) last week, and she told her - it's not if, but when.

And they've started preparing for it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/12...74148.html

All the chicken little idiocy about the debt after refusing to pay for two wars while cutting taxes shows where the priorities are. We're paying for right wing dogma.

Excuse me, but what are the other "advance nations" of the world doing?

You act like this is a one party issue, I see it more as a global issue and to blame your, "right wing dogma" is shear idiocy.

Always proud to be a Bronco.

We've gone through this sort of thing every so often... bird flu, H1N1, SARS, etc. But this Ebola seems scarier.

It's really friggen impossible to discuss anything on this board in a mature balanced manner with the intent of seeking a solution. Every damn discussion turns into some fanatical politicized diatribe full of sound and fury signifying nothing. Ebola is worldwide problem, with our weak response borne by both parties and beyond.

It's not even the weak response that concerns me. I feel like they're holding information back.

For example, last week we were told it's very hard to transmit.

This week a nurse in HASMAT clothing gets it, and they say it was transmitted because she didn't remove the suit right. That said, if it was transferred that easily in this case.

We used to swab door knobs in science and grow the bacteria in petri sp dishes. It was unbelievable how much bacteria was on that door knob. I believe it's not transferred airborne, but I'm not convinced it can't be transferred by touch, or from objects that have been touched.

Second ebola patient in Texas identified. Once again a healthcare worker. Unfortunately she boarded a plane from to Dallas to Cleveland and back, apparently she was mildly symptomatic. Panic ensues.

How are there NOT restrictions in place for the health care workers in contact with Ebola when it comes to travel.. Seriously...

(10-15-2014 01:57 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  How are there NOT restrictions in place for the health care workers in contact with Ebola when it comes to travel.. Seriously...

I don't know about restrictions with respect to healthcare workers in contact with the Ebola patients, but there are restrictions with respect to symptomatic healthcare workers who had contact with Enola patients. Of course, enforcing those restrictions depend upon the vigilance and competence of screeners and security workers at the airport. My suspicion is that going to get much much worse before it gets better.

This is going to sound cold, but our policy of treating Ebola victims in the states was probably shortsighted and is going to cost a lot more lives in the long run.