(10-08-2014 08:51 AM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote: I've been going back and forth in my mind as to how much of Mac's poor performance against NU was due to his injury.
This is a fantastic breakdown, 7. I completely agree that Maddie is built for this system. That's not a knock on Hare by any means. I would really enjoy watching Maddie get the same type of shot that Mac and Hare have gotten. I truly thought Kent State would have been that game.
(10-07-2014 07:58 PM)7 Wrote: I can't tell you how many times last year they ran this play with Cam having a huge hole. Watch the safety (might be a CB on second look) run himself right out of the play on the jet sweep action.
Watch Kent only rush 3 because they have to spy the QB. And MD, look at Maddie put his back foot in the ground and drive the ball to his WR from the pocket on 3rd and long!
The entire defense follows the jet sweep action, creating a huge run for somebody who can actually run.
There is literally no play action on this play, and watch all three LBs still come flying up at the snap, leaving one on one coverage with just 1 safety to cover 3 different WRs. Think Kent State might have seen NIU run QB power out of this before in the last two years? Just maybe? Look at Da'Ron breaking free on the cross if Canada wasn't open. Not a bad throw by Maddie from the pocket either.
Then the defense is just totally screwed on this play. All the LBs come flying inside to take Cam and/or Maddie, and Brown runs around the end of 6. They ran play action off this look to Da'Ron for the game winning TD against BSU last year, IIRC.
I really wanted to make this point visual, because I really do not think Drew Hare is a bad QB. I think he's a victim of not really playing in an offense he fits in. For as much as people talk about wanting continuity in the offense with one QB, and that probably does hold some truth. But with that same point, don't you think the players like Da'Ron, Eakes, Canada, and the offensive line might be off running the offense they've been playing in the last few years?
If you get some time, go through and watch the videos and look at how similar some of the plays from this year with McIntosh/Maddie are to what they were running with Lynch. Let Maddie play, run your offense. Hare's had the chance to show you he has the arm to make up for the lack of mobility, and failing to put up 20 points in back to back games for the first time since DeMarcus Grady was the starting QB didn't do it.
Watch the NU highlights, THAT is why Hare is the man. If Hare pulls off an NU halftime THEN put in Maddie. Until that, Hare should be the QB. Give him game time and confidence, and he'll give you wins.
(This post was last modified: 10-09-2014 09:00 AM by WeAreHuskies.)
(10-09-2014 08:57 AM)WeAreHuskies Wrote: Watch the NU highlights, THAT is why Hare is the man. If Hare pulls off an NU halftime THEN put in Maddie. Until that, Hare should be the QB. Give him game time and confidence, and he'll give you wins.
Because of that one good throw to Da'Ron? He's been given plenty of opportunity the last few games and hasn't done anything with it. Shouldn't be getting worse as the season goes on, even if there is a rotation.
6 completions. Don't get me wrong, Hare was huge in that game and NU is a pretty damn good defense, but I'm not changing my offense over 6 completions. He needs to start strong against CMU, because I get the feeling Carey will have a shorter hook with him this week.
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(10-09-2014 08:57 AM)WeAreHuskies Wrote: Watch the NU highlights, THAT is why Hare is the man. If Hare pulls off an NU halftime THEN put in Maddie. Until that, Hare should be the QB. Give him game time and confidence, and he'll give you wins.
Watch the Kent highlights, plus the first part of the 3rd quarter vs. NU, and see why Hare can also be badly inconsistent.
I hope Hare does better against CMU, but if he struggles again, I say give Maddie the reigns and see if he can make something happen. Like others, I still remember the one drive he had against NU and my exact reaction. It's even on twitter for those who follow me there.
"That's what the NIU offense looked like the last 2 years."
He had a bad game Sat. and he still was big in the NU win. Give him the reigns, and don't threaten him w/ Maddie by using this rotation. If we suck
at halftime, take him out.
(This post was last modified: 10-09-2014 09:41 AM by WeAreHuskies.)
Really good stuff there. Do you think Hare is the type of talent that you should alter a proven offensive system to fit him? I don't think that's even a question quite frankly, the answer is no.
As has been said on here many of times, NIU system is run run run, short pass short pass short pass, deep ball. Maddie has shown the ability to hit the deep ball better than Hare and we know he's a better runner.
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Really good stuff there. Do you think Hare is the type of talent that you should alter a proven offensive system to fit him? I don't think that's even a question quite frankly, the answer is no.
It is a great article, especially I took a lot out of the last sentence, the time for NIU to adjust to make it more Hare-friendly was in the summer though. The best weapons on this team are at receiver
(This post was last modified: 10-09-2014 12:18 PM by MaddDawgz02.)
Really good stuff there. Do you think Hare is the type of talent that you should alter a proven offensive system to fit him? I don't think that's even a question quite frankly, the answer is no.
It is a great article, especially I took a lot out of the last sentence, the time for NIU to adjust to make it more Hare-friendly was in the summer though. The best weapons on this team are at receiver
What do you mean make it more Hare friendly? They're not asking him to do stuff he can't do right now. If they were having him run QB power this comment would make sense.
I don't know if the best weapons (proven wise are WR) potential wise, that's a good argument. But niu is pretty banged up at WR, lots of potential, but only one guy (brown) is a proven top player and then another guy (Brescacin) is an a over average player.
The others are all potential.
NIUs best weapons are their RBs. But it's also an issue, the most versatile is hurt, the toughest runner can only play on certain plays because the rest of his game is lacking, a guy that's pretty solid all around but not super explosive, a scat back, and a promising freshman.
To kind of piggyback off your point JWN, as much as I hate the Cam screen pass in the flat as much as anyone, you can't just line him up in the backfield every play and telegraph your plays. There's also worse ideas than forcing DBs to come up and try to tackle Cam if the play is blocked well.
The reason why Cam isn't a true workhorse isn't just because of the talent NIU has back there, it's because he's very limited in what he can do other than take the ball and truck people.
(10-09-2014 06:31 PM)7 Wrote: To kind of piggyback off your point JWN, as much as I hate the Cam screen pass in the flat as much as anyone, you can't just line him up in the backfield every play and telegraph your plays. There's also worse ideas than forcing DBs to come up and try to tackle Cam if the play is blocked well.
The reason why Cam isn't a true workhorse isn't just because of the talent NIU has back there, it's because he's very limited in what he can do other than take the ball and truck people.
Yeah, that's why it's hard to get him the touches unless you're only going to do 3 plays.
QB power/draw
A run play to cam
Or a bubble screen
He's gotten better at pass protection, but he's still maybe the 3rd bets back at that. Teams are able to change to loading the box when they see 42 hit the field unless you run those plays and come out with a no TE set.
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