Speaking of kickoffs, we definitely got hosed when that UD returner caught the kickoff and stepped out of bounds inside his own 1 yard line. He had both feet in (you could see the pellets pop up) and had possession of the ball. They missed that one. That was one of many really frustrating moments in yesterday's game.

Brown's drop def hurt. Those things happen and well-coached teams don't let a drop like that doom them. D. Brown would be the first to say he should have caught it. I have an issue with the play calling in OT. Back to Brown, he out jumped and out muscled their db for a TD earlier in the game. why not give Brown a chance to go up and take another one in for a TD. Put it where only DB could catch it. If that did not work then give VL a run/pass/ option on a roll out. stupid play-calling.

I didn't have a problem with the 4th down call in OT. It was a run/pitch option for Lee and he made the correct read. What I didn't understand is why the guy he was pitching it to was our smallest back and a freshman. That simply makes no sense at all.

Let me summarize yesterday: The last 5 minutes was frosting on a three layer cake made out of dog s***.

(09-28-2014 01:35 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  I didn't have a problem with the 4th down call in OT. It was a run/pitch option for Lee and he made the correct read. What I didn't understand is why the guy he was pitching it to was our smallest back and a freshman. That simply makes no sense at all.

I don't like the option in that situation, power football is best for me.

(09-28-2014 09:26 AM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 09:23 AM)formerjmusprinter84 Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 09:20 AM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  Players drop passes. It sucks but it happens. That's a physical mistake. What's infuriating is refusing to kick a short field goal and insisting on going for it on 4th down when you haven't played well in the red zone all year.

Uh, the kicking game hasn't been that good either. 4 lost points earlier IN THIS GAME. It was a crap shoot at that point.

1) the earlier FG was blocked.

2) the kicker is capable of making a 20-yd FG, so you play the odds and take the points.

3) you trust your kicker enough at the end of the game down by 3 to run the ball on 3rd and long to setup a 43-yd FG but don't have faith he can make a 20-yd FG? Please explain that thought process.

Missed an extra point (2nd this season?). The blocked FG looked 6 feet high at the hit the line of scrimmage. That block is on the kicker, not the line. The made FG was the one of the ugliest I have seen go through the uprights. Then the last XP barely hit the All Hands net. During the Lehigh game an extra point hooked terribly for a 20 yard kick. Throw in another missed "chip shot" that game and 3 (maybe 4?) kickoffs that have landed out of bounds.

How Withers had any faith in him to make the 43 at the end of the game blows my mind MUCH more than his decisions to go for it on other 4th downs.

(09-27-2014 10:11 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Lee isn't the problem. Seriously , if you point or woes at him, you are dumb.

Our issues today were 100% craptastic coaching. Offsides 4X on kick offs? Yea, that's us. Give up 2 +75 yard plays? JMU has that.

Bourne has no fn idea what a decent coach looks like. He hired consultants to tell him...... I wish I got 195k to have people tell me what to do.

Did I just read that right? You blamed guys being offsides on the coaches? My head hurts. There were a few bad coaching decisions today and you thought a player running offsides on a kickoff was the best one to put on the coaches?

At least we agree Lee is not the problem.

(09-28-2014 08:19 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 10:11 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Lee isn't the problem. Seriously , if you point or woes at him, you are dumb.

Our issues today were 100% craptastic coaching. Offsides 4X on kick offs? Yea, that's us. Give up 2 +75 yard plays? JMU has that.

Bourne has no fn idea what a decent coach looks like. He hired consultants to tell him...... I wish I got 195k to have people tell me what to do.

Did I just read that right? You blamed guys being offsides on the coaches? My head hurts. There were a few bad coaching decisions today and you thought a player running offsides on a kickoff was the best one to put on the coaches?

At least we agree Lee is not the problem.

Someone needed to be fired after 2nd offsides. Lol

(09-28-2014 08:33 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 08:19 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 10:11 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Lee isn't the problem. Seriously , if you point or woes at him, you are dumb.

Our issues today were 100% craptastic coaching. Offsides 4X on kick offs? Yea, that's us. Give up 2 +75 yard plays? JMU has that.

Bourne has no fn idea what a decent coach looks like. He hired consultants to tell him...... I wish I got 195k to have people tell me what to do.

Did I just read that right? You blamed guys being offsides on the coaches? My head hurts. There were a few bad coaching decisions today and you thought a player running offsides on a kickoff was the best one to put on the coaches?

At least we agree Lee is not the problem.

Someone needed to be fired after 2nd offsides. Lol

What does that even mean. A coach fired? A player fired? A ref for calling 3 offsides on a meaningless play in a row?

(09-28-2014 08:43 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 08:33 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 08:19 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 10:11 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Lee isn't the problem. Seriously , if you point or woes at him, you are dumb.

Our issues today were 100% craptastic coaching. Offsides 4X on kick offs? Yea, that's us. Give up 2 +75 yard plays? JMU has that.

Bourne has no fn idea what a decent coach looks like. He hired consultants to tell him...... I wish I got 195k to have people tell me what to do.

Did I just read that right? You blamed guys being offsides on the coaches? My head hurts. There were a few bad coaching decisions today and you thought a player running offsides on a kickoff was the best one to put on the coaches?

At least we agree Lee is not the problem.

Someone needed to be fired after 2nd offsides. Lol

What does that even mean. A coach fired? A player fired? A ref for calling 3 offsides on a meaningless play in a row?

My bad , I meant players. Players = employees.

(09-28-2014 08:47 AM)formerjmusprinter84 Wrote:  Love Lee and his dual threat capability. His knee injury (that many said he didn't have) appears to be fully healed as evidenced by his obvious improved acceleration ability. He does have a tendency to telegraph passes but was still 25-44 (57%) and no pics. Should have been at least 26-44 (heartbreaking Brown drop).
There were a number of coaching errors but not sure I blame Withers for going for it on 4th inside the 10 with one of the best offenses in the CAA after the earlier wiffs on the XP and FG.
The players are responsible for not being offsides on kickoffs, especially on an onside kick! The coaches can get on them, but they can't do it for them. Could have easily been a win in regulation (missed XP, blocked FG, Brown drop). People calling for Mickey to come back just make me laugh. Record is not where I thought we would be at this point in the season (2-3 vs 3-2) which is a little dissapointing but besides the two long plays (75, 86) and that 29 yard QB run given up by the defense, the D looked much improved from the first couple of games. Best tackling yet and pressure on the QB.

Who are these multiple people calling for MM to come back? (Note you said people not person)?

(09-28-2014 09:21 AM)Dukes84 Wrote:  If we're being critical here, the more I think about it I didn't like the final play call. That play is too difficult to execute in that situation and probably not a reliable one to boot. I would have spread out the offense and had Lee in shotgun. If no one is open in the end zone, he can either run it in from less than two yards out or scramble until someone comes open in the end zone. The tailback, as I recall, had about five DE defenders closing in on him as he tried to score with no blocking available to him.

With respect to DE, they have talent on offense...no question. Their TE is supposedly NFL caliber, they have a big o-line, a capable QB (transfer from Bowling Green), Johnson at wide-out and a couple of good backs.

No they don't. On the game notes they have 1 starter listed over 300 lbs. They rest are listed between 265 to 290. They avg under 6'4"/287.

(09-28-2014 03:23 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 01:35 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  I didn't have a problem with the 4th down call in OT. It was a run/pitch option for Lee and he made the correct read. What I didn't understand is why the guy he was pitching it to was our smallest back and a freshman. That simply makes no sense at all.

I don't like the option in that situation, power football is best for me.

Exactly. 4th and about 1.5 yds. You've got a 300+ lb veteran OL, a QB listed at 225, TBs listed at 225 and 222, and you're going to line up in shotgun and go option with your 5th string, true Fr, 190 lb TB.

Early 4th qtr did the even more idiotic shotgun on 4th and literally a few inches.

(09-28-2014 10:19 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 03:23 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 01:35 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  I didn't have a problem with the 4th down call in OT. It was a run/pitch option for Lee and he made the correct read. What I didn't understand is why the guy he was pitching it to was our smallest back and a freshman. That simply makes no sense at all.

I don't like the option in that situation, power football is best for me.

Exactly. 4th and about 1.5 yds. You've got a 300+ lb veteran OL, a QB listed at 225, TBs listed at 225 and 222, and you're going to line up in shotgun and go option with your 5th string, true Fr, 190 lb TB.

Early 4th qtr did the even more idiotic shotgun on 4th and literally a few inches.

Yup, those two plays (last play in OT and the 4th and one inch) and the penalties were what got me the most yesterday. Either line up under center and let Vad get the couple yards or at least get one of our larger, veteran backs in there. Do something. I formation would be fine too. Going back into shotgun and giving it to our smallest, youngest back was a terrible call. Reminds me too much of Mickey (brings back bad memories of games against ODU and the infamous fumble at App St).

(09-28-2014 08:19 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 10:11 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Lee isn't the problem. Seriously , if you point or woes at him, you are dumb.

Our issues today were 100% craptastic coaching. Offsides 4X on kick offs? Yea, that's us. Give up 2 +75 yard plays? JMU has that.

Bourne has no fn idea what a decent coach looks like. He hired consultants to tell him...... I wish I got 195k to have people tell me what to do.

Did I just read that right? You blamed guys being offsides on the coaches? My head hurts. There were a few bad coaching decisions today and you thought a player running offsides on a kickoff was the best one to put on the coaches?

At least we agree Lee is not the problem.

You act like it was one kickoff. You must not have been paying attention because there wasn't "a" player running offsides on "a" kickoff. There were multiple players running offsides on multiple kickoffs. Was it 3 or 4? I lost count. An embarrassing comedy of errors. That is poor discipline that is reflective of the coaching.

(09-28-2014 08:43 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 08:33 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 08:19 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 10:11 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Lee isn't the problem. Seriously , if you point or woes at him, you are dumb.

Our issues today were 100% craptastic coaching. Offsides 4X on kick offs? Yea, that's us. Give up 2 +75 yard plays? JMU has that.

Bourne has no fn idea what a decent coach looks like. He hired consultants to tell him...... I wish I got 195k to have people tell me what to do.

Did I just read that right? You blamed guys being offsides on the coaches? My head hurts. There were a few bad coaching decisions today and you thought a player running offsides on a kickoff was the best one to put on the coaches?

At least we agree Lee is not the problem.

Someone needed to be fired after 2nd offsides. Lol

What does that even mean. A coach fired? A player fired? A ref for calling 3 offsides on a meaningless play in a row?

It wasn't a meaningless play considering it negated an onsides kick recovery. And it wasn't just on that kickoff after that TD. It was again on the kickoff after the tieing FG.

(09-28-2014 10:49 AM)The Purple Wave Wrote:  Beyond frustrated. A couple notes. Why in the hell can't a University of 20k students find a guy that can kick FGs? High schools have better kickers than we do. What about our soccer team? Can any of those guys kick a fricken football?

Next point. We probably shouldn't even had the opportunity to go to OT. It appeared from where i was sitting that The crappy CAA officials blew the illegal forward pass call against DE? Anyone watching on TV disagree with that call?

I predict we lose next week. The train is off the tracks.

The EW train was never on the tracks... Empty clown with cute sayings. You and I probably have more coaching experience than most of his staff.

(09-28-2014 07:04 AM)Country Boy Duke Fan Wrote:  This is what Hype gets you.... NEW ERA same old s..t! The Kool aid is bad drink beer it's healthier for u. SHOTGUN with less than a yd to go give me a break. Deplorable play calling.

This wont be popular, but.....

So Vad doesn't line up under center the entire game and then its 4th and inches and he does. You don't think they would have read that and stacked the box so he wouldnt get it?

Im not mad at the playcall there.
I am mad at execution of plays and some of the silly mistakes.

I'm more upset to see 3 offsides in a row on KO. Thats just undisciplined and ridiculous, especially since you can see the kicker AND the ball!

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(09-29-2014 05:49 AM)FBM2014 Wrote:  

(09-28-2014 07:04 AM)Country Boy Duke Fan Wrote:  This is what Hype gets you.... NEW ERA same old s..t! The Kool aid is bad drink beer it's healthier for u. SHOTGUN with less than a yd to go give me a break. Deplorable play calling.

This wont be popular, but.....

So Vad doesn't line up under center the entire game and then its 4th and inches and he does. You don't think they would have read that and stacked the box so he wouldnt get it?

Im not mad at the playcall there.
I am mad at execution of plays and some of the silly mistakes.

I'm more upset to see 3 offsides in a row on KO. Thats just undisciplined and ridiculous, especially since you can see the kicker AND the ball!

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It doesn't matter if they stack the box on 4th and inches when you have a QB Vad's size. The idea of a QB sneak at that point is not to deceive anyone. It's simply playing the odds. All he has to do is figure out which side of the center there appears to be the most space, tap is center on that side, and lean forward. The odds of getting the 1st in that situation are much greater than lining up 6 yards behind center and handing it to your back. That allows the defense time to penetrate and get into the backfield whereas a sneak doesn't allow that to happen. It's seriously not rocket science.