http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread958807/pg1

Still no response over the fact that white on black murder in the last FBI stats in 2012 was 7% where black on white murders were at 14% huh... Math must be hard for history teachers.

I haven't read through the whole thread.

But I did read the original linked NBC News article.

Once again, why the mention of race in the title and lead paragraph? Why mention race at all? Unless I read the article too quickly, is there any evidence that the officer used a racial slur or was racially motivated?

Let's establish the obvious:
- This story does not land on NBC News, or receive any attention outside of Ohio, if the racial makeup of both parties was the same.
- The article is meant to incite, attract clicks by stirring the racial pot, and attempt to create another media boondoggle (and unrest) in another town.

Tragic story. But this story should center around the customer's actions and whether or not the police's actions were appropriate. And that's it.

(09-26-2014 06:17 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Still no response over the fact that white on black murder in the last FBI stats in 2012 was 7% where black on white murders were at 14% huh... Math must be hard for history teachers.

What about white on black murder in front of video cameras?

(09-26-2014 08:22 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 06:17 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Still no response over the fact that white on black murder in the last FBI stats in 2012 was 7% where black on white murders were at 14% huh... Math must be hard for history teachers.

What about white on black murder in front of video cameras?

Still at 7% no matter how you cut it Firmwizzle.

(09-26-2014 09:29 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 08:22 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 06:17 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Still no response over the fact that white on black murder in the last FBI stats in 2012 was 7% where black on white murders were at 14% huh... Math must be hard for history teachers.

What about white on black murder in front of video cameras?

Still at 7% no matter how you cut it Firmwizzle.

But the black on white murder in front of video cameras is really low. Plus, I don't trust the gov't stats.

(09-26-2014 09:54 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 09:29 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 08:22 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 06:17 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Still no response over the fact that white on black murder in the last FBI stats in 2012 was 7% where black on white murders were at 14% huh... Math must be hard for history teachers.

What about white on black murder in front of video cameras?

Still at 7% no matter how you cut it Firmwizzle.

But the black on white murder in front of video cameras is really low. Plus, I don't trust the gov't stats.

Because it don't line up with what you and Fit are trying to prove here.. I get it.. Facts hurt. But hey the blacks ganging up and attacking whites has a pretty high average..

(09-26-2014 10:14 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 09:54 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 09:29 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 08:22 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 06:17 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Still no response over the fact that white on black murder in the last FBI stats in 2012 was 7% where black on white murders were at 14% huh... Math must be hard for history teachers.

What about white on black murder in front of video cameras?

Still at 7% no matter how you cut it Firmwizzle.

But the black on white murder in front of video cameras is really low. Plus, I don't trust the gov't stats.

Because it don't line up with what you and Fit are trying to prove here.. I get it.. Facts hurt. But hey the blacks ganging up and attacking whites has a pretty high average..

The facts you present do not however say how many of those murders were racially motivated.

That is what is the issue here. How many murders are being committed because the person is black or white.

Given that a large population of blacks are in poverty, it is likely that a lot of those murders of white people came as a result of a burglary gone bad.

On the other hand, when whites kill blacks, it's likely a result of excessive force and not a burglary gone bad.

(09-26-2014 10:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 10:14 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 09:54 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 09:29 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 08:22 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  What about white on black murder in front of video cameras?

Still at 7% no matter how you cut it Firmwizzle.

But the black on white murder in front of video cameras is really low. Plus, I don't trust the gov't stats.

Because it don't line up with what you and Fit are trying to prove here.. I get it.. Facts hurt. But hey the blacks ganging up and attacking whites has a pretty high average..

The facts you present do not however say how many of those murders were racially motivated.

That is what is the issue here. How many murders are being committed because the person is black or white.

Given that a large population of blacks are in poverty, it is likely that a lot of those murders of white people came as a result of a burglary gone bad.

On the other hand, when whites kill blacks, it's likely a result of excessive force and not a burglary gone bad.

Really that's your point now? I'm willing to bet most of them were not racially motivated. You think every time a white person kills anyone not white it's due to race? You must live in a sad little world in El Paso.

(09-26-2014 10:24 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 10:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 10:14 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 09:54 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 09:29 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Still at 7% no matter how you cut it Firmwizzle.

But the black on white murder in front of video cameras is really low. Plus, I don't trust the gov't stats.

Because it don't line up with what you and Fit are trying to prove here.. I get it.. Facts hurt. But hey the blacks ganging up and attacking whites has a pretty high average..

The facts you present do not however say how many of those murders were racially motivated.

That is what is the issue here. How many murders are being committed because the person is black or white.

Given that a large population of blacks are in poverty, it is likely that a lot of those murders of white people came as a result of a burglary gone bad.

On the other hand, when whites kill blacks, it's likely a result of excessive force and not a burglary gone bad.

Really that's your point now? I'm willing to bet most of them were not racially motivated. You think every time a white person kills anyone not white it's due to race? You must live in a sad little world in El Paso.

When did I ever say that?

(09-26-2014 10:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 10:14 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 09:54 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 09:29 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 08:22 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  What about white on black murder in front of video cameras?

Still at 7% no matter how you cut it Firmwizzle.

But the black on white murder in front of video cameras is really low. Plus, I don't trust the gov't stats.

Because it don't line up with what you and Fit are trying to prove here.. I get it.. Facts hurt. But hey the blacks ganging up and attacking whites has a pretty high average..

The facts you present do not however say how many of those murders were racially motivated.

That is what is the issue here. How many murders are being committed because the person is black or white.

Given that a large population of blacks are in poverty, it is likely that a lot of those murders of white people came as a result of a burglary gone bad.

On the other hand, when whites kill blacks, it's likely a result of excessive force and not a burglary gone bad.

Do you not read what you write either?

I hope you don't send letters home to the students you educate.

(09-26-2014 10:58 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 10:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 10:14 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 09:54 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 09:29 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Still at 7% no matter how you cut it Firmwizzle.

But the black on white murder in front of video cameras is really low. Plus, I don't trust the gov't stats.

Because it don't line up with what you and Fit are trying to prove here.. I get it.. Facts hurt. But hey the blacks ganging up and attacking whites has a pretty high average..

The facts you present do not however say how many of those murders were racially motivated.

That is what is the issue here. How many murders are being committed because the person is black or white.

Given that a large population of blacks are in poverty, it is likely that a lot of those murders of white people came as a result of a burglary gone bad.

On the other hand, when whites kill blacks, it's likely a result of excessive force and not a burglary gone bad.

Do you not read what you write either?

I hope you don't send letters home to the students you educate.

Yes and as you can see, no where did I say all whites do this.

(09-26-2014 11:01 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 10:58 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 10:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 10:14 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 09:54 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  But the black on white murder in front of video cameras is really low. Plus, I don't trust the gov't stats.

Because it don't line up with what you and Fit are trying to prove here.. I get it.. Facts hurt. But hey the blacks ganging up and attacking whites has a pretty high average..

The facts you present do not however say how many of those murders were racially motivated.

That is what is the issue here. How many murders are being committed because the person is black or white.

Given that a large population of blacks are in poverty, it is likely that a lot of those murders of white people came as a result of a burglary gone bad.

On the other hand, when whites kill blacks, it's likely a result of excessive force and not a burglary gone bad.

Do you not read what you write either?

I hope you don't send letters home to the students you educate.

Yes and as you can see, no where did I say all whites do this.

You basically insinuated it. Don't deny it, because that's what you meant when you said Zimmerman Effect, you even stated that.

You say the white man declared open season on blacks (not in those words I think you said they've decided to shoot them and try to get off or something).. I posted the stats from the FBI.. Now you're saying which ones were racially motivated.. Trayvon, Mike Brown, etc., have not been proven yet to be racially motivated.. Yet you keep saying Zimmerman Effect and which ones are racially motivated.. Seems to me you want some cracker ass redneck from Alabama that's married to his sister to gun down a young black man with a degree from Harvard because he didn't like the way he looked at his cousin so you can cream your britches. So far nothing you've contributed proves your "Zimmerman Effect".. Basically you have a hard on because you think a couple of unarmed teenagers were targeted due to skin color and that's all a case should be based off of.

(09-26-2014 11:01 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 10:58 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 10:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 10:14 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 09:54 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  But the black on white murder in front of video cameras is really low. Plus, I don't trust the gov't stats.

Because it don't line up with what you and Fit are trying to prove here.. I get it.. Facts hurt. But hey the blacks ganging up and attacking whites has a pretty high average..

The facts you present do not however say how many of those murders were racially motivated.

That is what is the issue here. How many murders are being committed because the person is black or white.

Given that a large population of blacks are in poverty, it is likely that a lot of those murders of white people came as a result of a burglary gone bad.

[b]On the other hand, when whites kill blacks, it's likely a result of excessive force and not a burglary gone bad.[/b]

Do you not read what you write either?

I hope you don't send letters home to the students you educate.

Yes and as you can see, no where did I say all whites do this.

The bolded is an implied statement. It is implying when any white person kills any black person it is because of excessive force.

Next time you should use a clarifier. Some/a few/ more often than not white on black murder would have changed the meaning of your statement.

(09-26-2014 11:07 AM)DragonLair Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 11:01 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 10:58 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 10:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 10:14 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Because it don't line up with what you and Fit are trying to prove here.. I get it.. Facts hurt. But hey the blacks ganging up and attacking whites has a pretty high average..

The facts you present do not however say how many of those murders were racially motivated.

That is what is the issue here. How many murders are being committed because the person is black or white.

Given that a large population of blacks are in poverty, it is likely that a lot of those murders of white people came as a result of a burglary gone bad.

[b]On the other hand, when whites kill blacks, it's likely a result of excessive force and not a burglary gone bad.[/b]

Do you not read what you write either?

I hope you don't send letters home to the students you educate.

Yes and as you can see, no where did I say all whites do this.

The bolded is an implied statement. It is implying when any white person kills any black person it is because of excessive force.

Next time you should use a clarifier. Some/a few/ more often than not white on black murder would have changed the meaning of your statement.

Key word is "likely"

Fit Pud,

Do you even believe in an individual's personal accountability in life? You are such an apologist for bad behavior.

I assume, and I hate to do that with you. However, I assume you have some rules inside your classroom for students to follow? If a student does not follow the rules do you make apologies and excuses for them or is there a deterrent?

Same goes in the real world. Break into someone's property accept the wrath that comes with that action of which you chose to participate. Blacks/Caucasians get shot because of the poor choices of breaking into other peoples' homes.

What is excessive force any way? Please explain what you mean.

Today the Beavercreek police department release the statements from the officers at the scene of the shooting.

Something that really bothers me:

"After repeated commands to drop the weapon the male turned towards us in an aggresive manner with the rifle in hand."

The video does not show this, IMO.

http://www.whio.com/news/news/breaking-o...oot/nhWZ6/

(09-25-2014 11:02 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 12:40 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 12:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigatio...rt-n210646

Judge for yourself.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

The Grand Jury did not indict the officer. Weren't you just on this board saying you support the law if a Grand Jury didn't indict the Ferguson officer?
Surely you aren't going to change your mind in just a day?

Wow. You got all that from " Judge for yourself?"

Me thinks you project too much.

"got" what? He's accurately describing your reaction to a similar event (asking if he is correct) and making the logical assumption that you would keep that same opinion... and ASKING you if that is the case. Hence the punctuation at the end of each sentence.

The assumptions seem pretty logical, and he's verifying with you that his impressions of your previous comments are correct... that you support the officers when the grand jury doesn't indict... which they didn't do here... He doesn't seem to be STATING anything.

It therefore seems clear that the one who projected here was you... as you seem to be reading an awful lot into his comments.

(09-26-2014 01:16 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 11:02 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 12:40 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 12:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigatio...rt-n210646

Judge for yourself.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

The Grand Jury did not indict the officer. Weren't you just on this board saying you support the law if a Grand Jury didn't indict the Ferguson officer?
Surely you aren't going to change your mind in just a day?

Wow. You got all that from " Judge for yourself?"

Me thinks you project too much.

"got" what? He's accurately describing your reaction to a similar event (asking if he is correct) and making the logical assumption that you would keep that same opinion... and ASKING you if that is the case. Hence the punctuation at the end of each sentence.

The assumptions seem pretty logical, and he's verifying with you that his impressions of your previous comments are correct... that you support the officers when the grand jury doesn't indict... which they didn't do here... He doesn't seem to be STATING anything.

It therefore seems clear that the one who projected here was you... as you seem to be reading an awful lot into his comments.

I didn't give my opinion on this particular case.

(09-26-2014 01:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I didn't give my opinion on this particular case.

Where did I say you did?

Eagle Rock summarized your opinion on a similar case... and asked if he had your opinion right... and asked if you still had that opinion (assumed a bit that you would).

And your response was that he was 'projecting'.

That response to his post doesn't make sense, neither does your comment that you didn't give an opinion here make sense in response to me.

If he is correct in his summary of your opinion of the other case... you either do or do not still hold that opinion here. If you do, then fine... If you don't then if you're not a hypocrite, state the differences between that case and this that make you not a hypocrite to accept the verdict of the grand jury in one case, and NOT in another.