(09-30-2014 03:23 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 07:05 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  If you went to 12 and assured the five majors of a bid and the best G-5 a bid you could give a bye to the top 4 seeds and fill the playoff as follows using the current rankings for example:

Byes - FSU/OU/Oregon/Bama (assumes they are conference champs)
Worst P-5 Champ - Ohio State - no bye
G-5 - ECU
Next 6 (no more than 3 from one conference)

Auburn/TAMU/Baylor/UCLA/Michigan State/ND

To get screwed you would have to be the fourth team from a conference and ranked 7th to 11th.

I use the format of 12 with 4 getting a bye because I don't see how you can finessed 8 playoff games in a single weekend and maximize the profit. 4/4/2/1 seems easier to me.

The wonderful byproduct of focusing on conference championships is that it enhances the significance of the regular season and makes more games meaningful for more teams.

The problem with conference champion auto bids is the scenario where the conference champion isn't remotely close to a top-10 team. See Wisconsin in recent Big Ten years - with the real contenders in sanctions. And why wouldn't a G5 conference champion that is near the top 10 not get an auto bid?

I like a 10-team hybrid scenario, where you give home field and bye advantages to conference champions, but provide just enough at large involvement - this gives you a scenario where the playoff includes the "best" and the "most deserving." It also preserves the significance of the regular season.

The top 8 teams plus the two best conference champions not in the top-8 make the playoff. The first Play-In Round is held the second weekend in December. The 8-seed game involves the two "next best" conference champions; the 7-seed game involves the lowest two ranked at large contenders.

2013 Example:

PLAY-IN ROUND, December 13-14
8-Seed game: #21 Fresno St. (MWC) v. #15 UCF (AAC), at Orlando, Florida
7-Seed game: #8 South Carolina (at large) v. #7 Ohio St. (at large), at Columbus, Ohio

QUARTERFINAL ROUND, December 20-21
8-Seed winner v. #1 Florida St. (ACC), at Tallahassee, Florida
7-Seed winner v. #2 Auburn (SEC), at Auburn, Alabama
#6 Baylor (Big 12) v. #3 Michigan St. (B1G), at E. Lansing, Michigan
#5 Stanford (PAC 12) v. #4 Alabama (at large), at Tuscaloosa, Alabama

SEMI-FINAL ROUND, December 31, 2013
(assuming higher seeds win in previous round)
Chik-Fil-A Bowl: #1 Florida St. v. #4 Alabama
Fiesta Bowl: #2 Auburn v. #3 Michigan St.

NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
January 11, 2014

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Based on the current 2014 AP Poll (which will change substantially over the next 3 or 4 weeks), the participants would be:

PLAy-IN ROUND, December 12-13
8-Seed game: #22 ECU (AAC) v. #10 Michigan St. (B1G), at E. Lansing, Michigan
7-Seed game: #8 UCLA (at large) v. #7 Baylor (at large), at Waco, Texas

QUARTERFINAL ROUND, December 19-20
8-Seed winner v. #1 Florida St. (ACC), at Tallahassee, Florida
7-seed winner v. #2 Oregon (PAC 12), at Eugene, Oregon
#6 Texas A&M (at large) v. #3 Alabama (SEC), at Tuscaloosa, Alabama
#5 Auburn (at large) v. #4 Oklahoma (Big 12), at Norman Oklahoma

Too many teams in the playoff. To me, six is the maximal number I can accept. P5 champions plus one (G5/Notre Dame/BYU).

I think we should go to a 16 team playoff:

ACC Champion
Big 10 Champion
SEC Champion
Big 12 Champion
PAC 12 Champion
American Champion
MAC Champion
Sun Belt Champion
CUSA Champion
Mountain West Champion
#1 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#2 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#3 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#4 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#5 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#6 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.

This would have been the 16 teams last year (2013):

ACC Champion- FSU
Big 10 - Michigan State
SEC - Auburn
Big 12 - Baylor
PAC 12 - Sanford
American - Central Florida
MAC - Bowling Green
Sun Belt - Louisiana-Lafayette or Arkansas State
CUSA -Rice
Mountain West - Fresno State
#1 South Carolina SEC
#2 Missouri SEC
#3 Oklahoma Big 12
#4 Clemson ACC
#5 Alabama SEC
#6 Oregon PAC 12

(09-30-2014 09:22 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I think we should go to a 16 team playoff:

ACC Champion
Big 10 Champion
SEC Champion
Big 12 Champion
PAC 12 Champion
American Champion
MAC Champion
Sun Belt Champion
CUSA Champion
Mountain West Champion
#1 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#2 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#3 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#4 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#5 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#6 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.

This would have been the 16 teams last year (2013):

ACC Champion- FSU
Big 10 - Michigan State
SEC - Auburn
Big 12 - Baylor
PAC 12 - Sanford
American - Central Florida
MAC - Bowling Green
Sun Belt - Louisiana-Lafayette or Arkansas State
CUSA -Rice
Mountain West - Fresno State
#1 South Carolina SEC
#2 Missouri SEC
#3 Oklahoma Big 12
#4 Clemson ACC
#5 Alabama SEC
#6 Oregon PAC 12

I like this set up too, but I'm afraid we are going to have to wait several years before there is a chance the playoff gets expanded this much.

(09-30-2014 06:59 PM)ArQ Wrote:  Too many teams in the playoff. To me, six is the maximal number I can accept. P5 champions plus one (G5/Notre Dame/BYU).

There is no way that the Autonomy 5 would go for a system that only allows conference champions in. A 10th ranked B1G champ should get in over a 2nd or 3rd ranked SEC or PAC 12 contender? No way. For crying out loud, it's not the system with FOUR teams.

If they give autobids to the Autonomy 5 champions, there will be at large spots as well. That means at least 8 teams, OR no autobids for champs.

(10-01-2014 09:29 AM)Buckminster Fuller Wrote:  I like this set up too, but I'm afraid we are going to have to wait several years before there is a chance the playoff gets expanded this much.

A 16-team tournament could work if they moved Conference Championship weekend to Thanksgiving weekend and started the 16-team CFP the first weekend of December. The first two rounds could be hosted by the higher seed...and then just spill into the current semi-final CFP structure.

The Autonomy 5 will cry out that they should not have to play some low level G5 champion, even at home, in the first round. I wouldn't disagree.

So, the workable scenario is where you have G5 champions and at large teams play each other in the early rounds - similar to the NCAA tournament.

That system would work well with 12 to 14 teams. Autobids for all conference champions and 2 to 4 at large spots.

Like this (based on current rankings):

PLAY-IN ROUND, December 6
8-Seed Play-In: ULM (Sun Belt) at N. Illinois (MAC)
7-Seed Play-In: Nevada (MWC) at Marshall (C-USA, at Huntington, WV
(Alternatively, these games could be held in Las Vegas or New Orleans, as part of a double-header - similar to the NCAA Play-In games in Dayton).

ROUND 1, December 12-13
8-Seed game: 8-Seed Play-In winner at ECU (AAC)
7-seed game: 7-Seed Play-In winner at Michigan St. (B1G)
6-Seed game (at large): #7 Baylor at #6 Texas A&M
5-seed game (at large): #8 UCLA at #5 Auburn

QUARTERFINAL ROUND, December 19-20
8-Seed winner at #1 Florida St. (ACC)
7-Seed winner at #2 Oregon (PAC 12)
6-Seed winner at #3 Alabama (SEC)
5-Seed winner at #4 Oklahoma (Big 12)

SEMI-FINAL ROUND, JANUARY 1
Sugar and Rose Bowls

CHAMPIONSHIP, JANUARY 12

8 of the 10 conference champions would get a playoff home game, as well as the top-2 at large teams. The top 4 conference champions get a BYE to the quarterfinals. The next 2 champs get a BYE to Round 1.

The Round 1 and Quarterfinal losers could even spill into some of the NY6 and other bowls.

(09-30-2014 09:22 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I think we should go to a 16 team playoff:

ACC Champion
Big 10 Champion
SEC Champion
Big 12 Champion
PAC 12 Champion
American Champion
MAC Champion
Sun Belt Champion
CUSA Champion
Mountain West Champion
#1 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#2 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#3 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#4 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#5 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#6 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.

This would have been the 16 teams last year (2013):

ACC Champion- FSU
Big 10 - Michigan State
SEC - Auburn
Big 12 - Baylor
PAC 12 - Sanford
American - Central Florida
MAC - Bowling Green
Sun Belt - Louisiana-Lafayette or Arkansas State
CUSA -Rice
Mountain West - Fresno State
#1 South Carolina SEC
#2 Missouri SEC
#3 Oklahoma Big 12
#4 Clemson ACC
#5 Alabama SEC
#6 Oregon PAC 12

Cool. Then South Carolina can join the Sun Belt since their champ gets the same perks as the SEC champ in getting a playoff spot

I think we will see this when the CFP goes to 8 teams. Five P5 conference champions plus 3 at large (with one slot potentially reserved for a G5 champ). If so, of course, ND could fight for one of the at large slots if they choose to remain independent. On the flip side, as an ACC member, they could get into the CFP with a 9-4 record, or whatever.

(09-23-2014 05:06 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I agree with Dantonio on this one. I think it should be an 8-team playoff with the five conference champions getting automatic bids and three wildcard bids available to the best of the Indies, G5, P5 runners up, etc. That is definitely the fairest way to handle this and it will be the most profitable as well. Frankly, I see that scenario as an inevitability.

+1

(09-30-2014 09:22 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I think we should go to a 16 team playoff:

ACC Champion
Big 10 Champion
SEC Champion
Big 12 Champion
PAC 12 Champion
American Champion
MAC Champion
Sun Belt Champion
CUSA Champion
Mountain West Champion
#1 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#2 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#3 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#4 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#5 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#6 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.

This would have been the 16 teams last year (2013):

ACC Champion- FSU
Big 10 - Michigan State
SEC - Auburn
Big 12 - Baylor
PAC 12 - Sanford
American - Central Florida
MAC - Bowling Green
Sun Belt - Louisiana-Lafayette or Arkansas State
CUSA -Rice
Mountain West - Fresno State
#1 South Carolina SEC
#2 Missouri SEC
#3 Oklahoma Big 12
#4 Clemson ACC
#5 Alabama SEC
#6 Oregon PAC 12

how bout no

thats got no chance of happening

(10-01-2014 02:05 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 09:22 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I think we should go to a 16 team playoff:

ACC Champion
Big 10 Champion
SEC Champion
Big 12 Champion
PAC 12 Champion
American Champion
MAC Champion
Sun Belt Champion
CUSA Champion
Mountain West Champion
#1 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#2 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#3 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#4 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#5 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#6 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.

This would have been the 16 teams last year (2013):

ACC Champion- FSU
Big 10 - Michigan State
SEC - Auburn
Big 12 - Baylor
PAC 12 - Sanford
American - Central Florida
MAC - Bowling Green
Sun Belt - Louisiana-Lafayette or Arkansas State
CUSA -Rice
Mountain West - Fresno State
#1 South Carolina SEC
#2 Missouri SEC
#3 Oklahoma Big 12
#4 Clemson ACC
#5 Alabama SEC
#6 Oregon PAC 12

how bout no

thats got no chance of happening

Ok. where is the National Championship determined by the AP? Where is the BCS? I rest my case this is evolving and the eight (8) team playoff is next and then the 16 team will follow. Write it down.

(10-01-2014 02:41 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(10-01-2014 02:05 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 09:22 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I think we should go to a 16 team playoff:

ACC Champion
Big 10 Champion
SEC Champion
Big 12 Champion
PAC 12 Champion
American Champion
MAC Champion
Sun Belt Champion
CUSA Champion
Mountain West Champion
#1 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#2 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#3 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#4 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#5 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#6 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.

This would have been the 16 teams last year (2013):

ACC Champion- FSU
Big 10 - Michigan State
SEC - Auburn
Big 12 - Baylor
PAC 12 - Sanford
American - Central Florida
MAC - Bowling Green
Sun Belt - Louisiana-Lafayette or Arkansas State
CUSA -Rice
Mountain West - Fresno State
#1 South Carolina SEC
#2 Missouri SEC
#3 Oklahoma Big 12
#4 Clemson ACC
#5 Alabama SEC
#6 Oregon PAC 12

how bout no

thats got no chance of happening

Ok. where is the National Championship determined by the AP? Where is the BCS? I rest my case this is evolving and the eight (8) team playoff is next and then the 16 team will follow. Write it down.

Sounds good...It will benefit us.

(10-01-2014 02:41 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(10-01-2014 02:05 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(09-30-2014 09:22 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I think we should go to a 16 team playoff:

ACC Champion
Big 10 Champion
SEC Champion
Big 12 Champion
PAC 12 Champion
American Champion
MAC Champion
Sun Belt Champion
CUSA Champion
Mountain West Champion
#1 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#2 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#3 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#4 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#5 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.
#6 highest rank team that is not a conference champion.

This would have been the 16 teams last year (2013):

ACC Champion- FSU
Big 10 - Michigan State
SEC - Auburn
Big 12 - Baylor
PAC 12 - Sanford
American - Central Florida
MAC - Bowling Green
Sun Belt - Louisiana-Lafayette or Arkansas State
CUSA -Rice
Mountain West - Fresno State
#1 South Carolina SEC
#2 Missouri SEC
#3 Oklahoma Big 12
#4 Clemson ACC
#5 Alabama SEC
#6 Oregon PAC 12

how bout no

thats got no chance of happening

Ok. where is the National Championship determined by the AP? Where is the BCS? I rest my case this is evolving and the eight (8) team playoff is next and then the 16 team will follow. Write it down.

There will never be a system where the Sun Belt Champion gets a playoff spot just like the power 5 champions. It makes no sense.

6-8 teams with the top CC ranked in the top 10-15 gets an auto bid. I dont think the playoffs will go past 8 teams.

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16 School playoff is way too many games...6 or 8 team playoff....the Human Body especially for FBS College Athletes just can't handle that many games...

6 teams and no more IMO....

(10-02-2014 08:58 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  6-8 teams with the top CC ranked in the top 10-15 gets an auto bid. I dont think the playoffs will go past 8 teams.

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Agreed.

8 is fine.

I agree, if the P5 completely splits from the G5 independents and all other D1 teams.