An unnecessary law that panders to race baiting and the lowest common level of intellect. Its to make sure the idiot vote gets out. Par for the course on the left coast.

(09-19-2014 11:44 AM)jh Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 11:38 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 11:36 AM)jh Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 11:24 AM)Smaug Wrote:  So, if Joe Blow wants to open a confederate flag stand in California, this law prohibits him from doing so?

No. This bill restricts the government, not private actors. I suspect it is largely symbolic as the State of California probably did not sell or display many Confederate flags to begin with (although there apparently was an "issue" at the California State Fair http://asmdc.org/members/a64/news-room/p...ate-fair).

Back to my original question. What is the state of California? What does that cover?

It would depend on exactly how it is worded in the statute or otherwise defined in California law, but probably any State or lower level government, department, agency, and the like, or any employees acting in their official capacities. There is an exemption for schools and museums using the flag for historical purposes.

or any private citizen that operates a business under a state function.

It's a sweepingly broad law and most likely unconstitutional. However, it is doubtful it will be challenged.

Just more garbage as a result of Marxist leaders making inroads in America.

cough Jerry Brown Beret.

I would look forward to the ACLU challenging this.

Guys, it doesn't change private sales. You can still walk into a flag shop and buy a confederate flag. The state is just banning it being put up on their dime. It's a meaningless law that like 49er said, is designed to get out the idiot vote. That, and sucker in folks to paint as racists and thereby gain further leverage in an election.

Bet the Mexican flag isn't banned.

(09-19-2014 11:56 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Guys, it doesn't change private sales. You can still walk into a flag shop and buy a confederate flag. The state is just banning it being put up on their dime. It's a meaningless law that like 49er said, is designed to get out the idiot vote. That, and sucker in folks to paint as racists and thereby gain further leverage in an election.

We are aware of that, but the state controls many areas private vendors can operate. Even private vendors on any sort of state permit.

They don't need scams like this to get the idiot vote out in California. This has more to do with stripping people of their rights. Progressives know best and pandering to left wing activists.

(09-19-2014 11:21 AM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 11:16 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 11:15 AM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  Am I right in thinking that the State of California will not sell or display the Confederate Flag but individuals within California are perfectly able to do so?

The question is raised...what is the state of California?

But to be clear, they are not banning individuals from selling or displaying the flag?

I think there is some question as to how the law will be interpreted (and enforced). And it's certainly likely it will be interpreted different ways by different people.

Thank you!

I saw some dumb*** driving a truck last night with a huge one of these flapping behind him propped in the bed of his redneck ride. Moron.

(09-19-2014 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I saw some dumb*** driving a truck last night with a huge one of these flapping behind him propped in the bed of his redneck ride. Moron.

Why do you hate the 1st Amendment?

(09-19-2014 11:57 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Bet the Mexican flag isn't banned.

I'd bet the American Flag is banned in some parts of Mexafornia.

(09-19-2014 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I saw some dumb*** driving a truck last night with a huge one of these flapping behind him propped in the bed of his redneck ride. Moron.

At least He wasn't driving a *****.... I mean Prius car.

(09-19-2014 11:36 AM)jh Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 11:24 AM)Smaug Wrote:  So, if Joe Blow wants to open a confederate flag stand in California, this law prohibits him from doing so?

No. This bill restricts the government, not private actors. I suspect it is largely symbolic as the State of California probably did not sell or display many Confederate flags to begin with (although there apparently was an "issue" at the California State Fair http://asmdc.org/members/a64/news-room/p...ate-fair).

My question would be jh.. if the state of California knows you're going to sell confederacy memorabilia, would they not then be obligated by the law from giving you a license to allow you to sell your wares?

(09-19-2014 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I saw some dumb*** driving a truck last night with a huge one of these flapping behind him propped in the bed of his redneck ride. Moron.

In Dexter Michigan? I'm impressed!

(09-19-2014 01:04 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I saw some dumb*** driving a truck last night with a huge one of these flapping behind him propped in the bed of his redneck ride. Moron.

In Dexter Michigan? I'm impressed!

I've seen one in Lewis County, Ny.

(09-19-2014 01:01 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 11:36 AM)jh Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 11:24 AM)Smaug Wrote:  So, if Joe Blow wants to open a confederate flag stand in California, this law prohibits him from doing so?

No. This bill restricts the government, not private actors. I suspect it is largely symbolic as the State of California probably did not sell or display many Confederate flags to begin with (although there apparently was an "issue" at the California State Fair http://asmdc.org/members/a64/news-room/p...ate-fair).

My question would be jh.. if the state of California knows you're going to sell confederacy memorabilia, would they not then be obligated by the law from giving you a license to allow you to sell your wares?

I haven't read the law in question, or even much discussion about it, but from my cursory review they would have to give you a business license even if they knew you were going to sell Confederate flags. Otherwise the statute would implicate the First Amendment in a way that it doesn't if it is merely limited to government speech.

(09-19-2014 01:14 PM)jh Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 01:01 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 11:36 AM)jh Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 11:24 AM)Smaug Wrote:  So, if Joe Blow wants to open a confederate flag stand in California, this law prohibits him from doing so?

No. This bill restricts the government, not private actors. I suspect it is largely symbolic as the State of California probably did not sell or display many Confederate flags to begin with (although there apparently was an "issue" at the California State Fair http://asmdc.org/members/a64/news-room/p...ate-fair).

My question would be jh.. if the state of California knows you're going to sell confederacy memorabilia, would they not then be obligated by the law from giving you a license to allow you to sell your wares?

I haven't read the law in question, or even much discussion about it, but from my cursory review they would have to give you a business license even if they knew you were going to sell Confederate flags. Otherwise the statute would implicate the First Amendment in a way that it doesn't if it is merely limited to government speech.

Surely a big libertarian like yourself is against the state banning a flag even it if was only for state purposes...which could mean anything.

(09-19-2014 01:17 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 01:14 PM)jh Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 01:01 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 11:36 AM)jh Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 11:24 AM)Smaug Wrote:  So, if Joe Blow wants to open a confederate flag stand in California, this law prohibits him from doing so?

No. This bill restricts the government, not private actors. I suspect it is largely symbolic as the State of California probably did not sell or display many Confederate flags to begin with (although there apparently was an "issue" at the California State Fair http://asmdc.org/members/a64/news-room/p...ate-fair).

My question would be jh.. if the state of California knows you're going to sell confederacy memorabilia, would they not then be obligated by the law from giving you a license to allow you to sell your wares?

I haven't read the law in question, or even much discussion about it, but from my cursory review they would have to give you a business license even if they knew you were going to sell Confederate flags. Otherwise the statute would implicate the First Amendment in a way that it doesn't if it is merely limited to government speech.

Surely a big libertarian like yourself is against the state banning a flag even it if was only for state purposes...which could mean anything.

No, it couldn't. You need to find a new legal adviser, because the one you are relying on right now isn't very good.

(09-19-2014 01:34 PM)jh Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 01:17 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 01:14 PM)jh Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 01:01 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 11:36 AM)jh Wrote:  No. This bill restricts the government, not private actors. I suspect it is largely symbolic as the State of California probably did not sell or display many Confederate flags to begin with (although there apparently was an "issue" at the California State Fair http://asmdc.org/members/a64/news-room/p...ate-fair).

My question would be jh.. if the state of California knows you're going to sell confederacy memorabilia, would they not then be obligated by the law from giving you a license to allow you to sell your wares?

I haven't read the law in question, or even much discussion about it, but from my cursory review they would have to give you a business license even if they knew you were going to sell Confederate flags. Otherwise the statute would implicate the First Amendment in a way that it doesn't if it is merely limited to government speech.

Surely a big libertarian like yourself is against the state banning a flag even it if was only for state purposes...which could mean anything.

No, it couldn't. You need to find a new legal adviser, because the one you are relying on right now isn't very good.

Amazing. The big libertarian stands up for more California censorship.

It's been a weird Friday.

(09-19-2014 01:04 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(09-19-2014 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I saw some dumb*** driving a truck last night with a huge one of these flapping behind him propped in the bed of his redneck ride. Moron.

In Dexter Michigan? I'm impressed!

Michigan, yes, but it wasn't in Dexter.