A) Ask parents who homeschool their kids how many extra-curricular activities they let their kid go through. I"ll give you an example: My brother (who was as extremely liberal as they come: Don't know if he's changed since we've last talked) homeschooled his daughter and son. His daughter (who got a full ride to Alcorn State for veterinary medicine because she basically ACED the test requirements) basically had a FULL week of activities, including Martial Arts classes, Girl Scout gatherings, church activities (Tom is going to go balistic because that's on there), sports gatherings, etc.
I haven't seen or heard about my nephew in ages, so I can't say what my brother has him doing
B) There are already tests out there for homeschooling students for "curriculum levels". It's called ACTS/SATs/PSATs/etc. You don't pass those, you don't qualify for college.
C) If there was school choice, you wouldn't need to worry about homeschooling, because the schools would have to make sure they were the best of all the options to get the kids and their tax money. But no, we have to protect the failing teaches, so we can't allow school choice and have to go through mandatory busing.
D) And i don't see how you can't say that Homeschooling is not the answer for those bad school districts Tom. You want to throw the GOOD students in with the ones that don't care (and don't even try to care), so that what.. you can lower the bar for everyone?
(09-22-2014 09:57 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote: D) And i don't see how you can't say that Homeschooling is not the answer for those bad school districts Tom. You want to throw the GOOD students in with the ones that don't care (and don't even try to care), so that what.. you can lower the bar for everyone?
But that's liberalism in a nutshell isn't it?
"How dare you succeed while others fail. We can't have you caring invested parents charting the course for your children, that's the states job..
Now send little Johnny to the gulag of your local failing public school and I don't want to here any whining that you want to home school, or charter school, or get vouchers because that's racist.
Your kid might be capable of getting most of their college gen eds out of the way by seventeen at home but that's not fair to the parents, teachers, and unions who don't give a flop."
Your children don't belong to you... They are ours..
Nothing wrong with homeschooling if you know what your doing. The problem is many parents will neglect their child and make them a burden to the state. When it affects conservatives pocket book, then they'll care.
(09-22-2014 10:54 AM)Fitbud Wrote: Nothing wrong with homeschooling if you know what your doing. The problem is many parents will neglect their child and make them a burden to the state. When it affects conservatives pocket book, then they'll care.
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Question... With the cites having at best 50% graduation rates can the same not be said for the public schools?
This is a timber in the eye moment for liberals... You're going to say that unregulated homeschooling is some sort of impermissible child abuse but kids in American Cities are dropping out of school at alarming rates and many of those who o on to college are ill prepared and end up burning at least a year on remedial course.
Maybe you should fix the public schools first before engaging home schools, vouchers, and charter schools as some sort of "problem" that needs your intervnetion.
(09-20-2014 09:46 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: Hey, why not allow parents to not provide any education to their kids? Because it punishes the kids.
Here's the rub with homeschooling. At some point, there has to be some mechanism to require that homeschooled kids get at least a basic education. Most do a good job with it. But not all do.
That could be said for public schools, which include about 40x more kids. Start there first.
Quote:So NJ is simply saying 'you can home school, but you must teach your kids certain things if you do'.
Not exactly.
Quote:By the way, I think that the religious right should think hard about suing over this. Because they might end up creating a precedent that would weaken homeschooling rights.
Valid point.
(09-20-2014 10:55 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Homeschooling should be a form of child abuse. Those kids are going to come out of that setting with the social skills of Torch.
(09-21-2014 10:56 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: You can't possibly sate any statistics because it's all unregulated. I scoff and ridicule these "studies" from pro home schooling studies that say these kids score 30 percent higher.
Yeah, b/c you've been so good w/ math and stats on this board.
(09-21-2014 11:20 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: Does the NJ law go too far? I have no idea.
But you can't help the urge but to reply.
(09-21-2014 06:07 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: And homeschooling isn't the solution to those results. Public schools take the kids whose parents aren't engaged, that don't come from an environment where education is valued, where learning disabilities have to be accounted for etc.,
Homeschoolers do too. That's exactly why many choose homeschooling. So your fail w/ that complaint.
(09-22-2014 02:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Before you blame public school, maybe you should look at how these kids are raised.
Teachers reaping what they've sowed. Your complaints are toward the consequences of the liberal agenda. You vote leftist...you deal with the consequences.
(09-22-2014 03:04 PM)EverRespect Wrote: NJ is setting themselves up for a lawsuit and they will lose. Parental rights are protected by the 9th amendment.
I should hope they'd lose. But Tom is right, this could go the other way and do real harm to homeschoolers. Remember, the NJ law says the education must be "equivalent". There is no room for a superior education. Paging Harrison Bergeron.
(09-22-2014 02:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Before you blame public school, maybe you should look at how these kids are raised.
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I don't totally blame the public schools... But Ill point out most of the people doing the raising were themselves educated in the Public schools.. Generational leftist indoctrination jumping up to bite you in the rear..
My point was that sticking kids whose parents do give a damn into a system where you have a 50% graduation rate is as bad as anything home schoolnig might do..
for the 21K a year Minneapolis spends you could hire a private tutor for every 5-10 students..
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(09-22-2014 03:04 PM)EverRespect Wrote: NJ is setting themselves up for a lawsuit and they will lose. Parental rights are protected by the 9th amendment.
I should hope they'd lose. But Tom is right, this could go the other way and do real harm to homeschoolers. Remember, the NJ law says the education must be "equivalent". There is no room for a superior education. Paging Harrison Bergeron.
(09-22-2014 03:04 PM)EverRespect Wrote: NJ is setting themselves up for a lawsuit and they will lose. Parental rights are protected by the 9th amendment.
I should hope they'd lose. But Tom is right, this could go the other way and do real harm to homeschoolers. Remember, the NJ law says the education must be "equivalent". There is no room for a superior education. Paging Harrison Bergeron.
Disagree. The case would be a slam dunk.
They would have to wait until there were damages to present before they move forward with any case against this law. If it's a matter of "you must take this exam" then no big deal.
I don't have an issue with some standardized testing so long as the scope is reasonable and leaves room for other education.
(09-22-2014 03:04 PM)EverRespect Wrote: NJ is setting themselves up for a lawsuit and they will lose. Parental rights are protected by the 9th amendment.
I should hope they'd lose. But Tom is right, this could go the other way and do real harm to homeschoolers. Remember, the NJ law says the education must be "equivalent". There is no room for a superior education. Paging Harrison Bergeron.
Disagree. The case would be a slam dunk.
They would have to wait until there were damages to present before they move forward with any case against this law. If it's a matter of "you must take this exam" then no big deal.
I don't have an issue with some standardized testing so long as the scope is reasonable and leaves room for other education.
What is the consequence for refusing to take the exam?
(09-22-2014 03:04 PM)EverRespect Wrote: NJ is setting themselves up for a lawsuit and they will lose. Parental rights are protected by the 9th amendment.
I should hope they'd lose. But Tom is right, this could go the other way and do real harm to homeschoolers. Remember, the NJ law says the education must be "equivalent". There is no room for a superior education. Paging Harrison Bergeron.
Disagree. The case would be a slam dunk.
They would have to wait until there were damages to present before they move forward with any case against this law. If it's a matter of "you must take this exam" then no big deal.
I don't have an issue with some standardized testing so long as the scope is reasonable and leaves room for other education.
I actually think standardized testing is reasonable. Claiming a HS diploma should have meaning.
However, the tests should ask you what the answer is, not a specific way to find an answer.
(09-22-2014 02:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Before you blame public school, maybe you should look at how these kids are raised.
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Now I'm confused. You said earlier that it was Home School parents who were bad parents and neglectful. Now, in order to defend the lack of graduation success you cite the bad parenting of Public School parents.
So is EVERYONE a bad parent?
(09-22-2014 03:04 PM)EverRespect Wrote: NJ is setting themselves up for a lawsuit and they will lose. Parental rights are protected by the 9th amendment.
I should hope they'd lose. But Tom is right, this could go the other way and do real harm to homeschoolers. Remember, the NJ law says the education must be "equivalent". There is no room for a superior education. Paging Harrison Bergeron.
Disagree. The case would be a slam dunk.
They would have to wait until there were damages to present before they move forward with any case against this law. If it's a matter of "you must take this exam" then no big deal.
I don't have an issue with some standardized testing so long as the scope is reasonable and leaves room for other education.
I actually think standardized testing is reasonable. Claiming a HS diploma should have meaning.
However, the tests should ask you what the answer is, not a specific way to find an answer.
(09-22-2014 06:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote: Bad parenting is the root of this evil.
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Fairly certain the Good Book says it's the love of money
So in your world Home School Parents = Bad Parents. Public School Parents = Good Parents.
Have you even bothered to look over any of the HS curriculum to decide what it is deficient in?
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