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RE: Worst coach in UAB fball history goes to......
If WB became AD only after the bowl game year, he would be #1 but his ego & the fact he mailed it in those last few yrs, along w/ backstabbing on way out w/ some scorched earth that left a big mess that just about any coach would have a hard time cleaning up (I don't think if we got Fisher he'd even been able to do it). Callaway did his best & left it in much better shape though the wins just didn't come but if you look at who some of our stars are that McGee underachieved w/ & Clark is achieving w/, you find those are mostly Callaway recruits. If Callaway had more time & had the personality, he might have been looking like Clark is

#1 Hilyer - could have been a better choice than WB as he had pro/major college exp
#2 Callaway - inherited such a mess that he was so behind the 8ball but did best he could w/ it
#3 Clark - doing rather well but will move up fast
#4 Brown - distant 4th
#5 McGee - even farther behind 4th but may be tied for last rather than 4th place w/ Brown
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(09-18-2014 11:32 AM)mobileblazer Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 11:30 AM)Smaug Wrote:  A gump bet me McGee would get another D1 head coaching gig before UAB made a bowl game.

I like my chances.


I hope you bet the mortgage!

I'll bet my house!
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(09-18-2014 05:39 PM)thebernreuter Wrote:  And he had an easy time getting away with shady stuff because he was also the athletic director.

And he had bent the knee before Darth Cubious when the UAB President threatened his job the year before he "voluntarily resigned." As a singular statement of how much he cared about the UAB football program, that act reigns supreme. But let's not go down the road of explaining every way PBJr. is eternally opposed to UAB athletics for the sake of the one person on the board who doesn't know.
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(09-18-2014 05:41 PM)legalblazer Wrote:  I've asked this before a few times, but have never gotten an answer...

At the time of the Pat Sullivan debacle it was suggested that Watson had a hand (perhaps playing a very large part?) in making sure that Sullivan didn't get the job and rendering null the offer that had already been made by the UAB president.

What did Brown do? Influence PBJr in some way?

(By all means couch it in terms of "I heard" or "My opinion is" so as not to create a defamation issue.)

There had been discussions that included leadership at the highest levels of UAB to prepare to hand the program over to Sullivan. Part of that was the possibility of Watson becoming just AD with Sullivan as football coach. Watson, in response, called his Sith boss to intervene. Darth Cubious immediately let it be known that the UAB football program would never be coached by a former API legend and if Pres. Garrison pressed the point, there would be no football program for him to coach at all.
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(09-18-2014 05:41 PM)legalblazer Wrote:  I've asked this before a few times, but have never gotten an answer...

At the time of the Pat Sullivan debacle it was suggested that Watson had a hand (perhaps playing a very large part?) in making sure that Sullivan didn't get the job and rendering null the offer that had already been made by the UAB president.

What did Brown do? Influence PBJr in some way?

(By all means couch it in terms of "I heard" or "My opinion is" so as not to create a defamation issue.)

My understanding is that Sullivan was offered the AD job at ? was it Middle Tennessee? two years before the end of the WB era. Watson talked him out of it - and then interviewed for it himself. That was the start of the bad blood between the two. Pat was in theory the coach in waiting, and in his last year Watson took Sullivan (who won a Heisman as a QB) off of QB coaching and put him on RB's. Watson took over QB coaching.

What I heard was that once Watson was out as HC, Pat had dinner with Carol Garrison and was told he had the job. Samford had already made him an offer, as I recall the timing. That was Wednesday night. Thursday morning, Pat, his agent, Watson, and Margison/Garrison sat down to negotiate. Due to the size of the Samford offer, they were going to have to pay him more than WB was making. His ego could not stand that. Negotiations stalled before lunch. *Someone* (speculation was always Watson) apparently called the BoT and by 3pm or so the offer was off the table, Pat had left the table mad as hell, and he took the SU job. Word was that an Auburn guy wasn't going to get the job.

Feel free to correct that, anyone who has something more solid. That's how I heard it/put it together after the fact.
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How in the heck does one slimeball have that much control of a public university, and get away with it?

Make that public university system.
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Mainly because no one has the guts to take down a person who happens to have his name (or his father's name)
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(09-18-2014 06:12 PM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  How in the heck does one slimeball have that much control of a public university, and get away with it?

Make that public university system.

Because it's not so much about the strings he pulls inside the BOT/UA System as it is the external ones. I can tell you first hand that people have had their business(es) and/or livelihoods threatened ("you'll never do business in this state again", "you'll never get a public contract again", "you'll never hold public office in this state again", etc.) as encouragement to toe the line. Not the BOT line, but the line of a very few individuals. Those threatened have included past members of the BOT.

When you think about how they get away with it, consider the highest authorities in any capacity in this state. Then consider who put them where they are. Sure, if everyone in this state got together at once and agreed not to be cowed/bullied it wouldn't happen...but it only takes a few high profile, deep pocketed people to uphold the existing power structure.
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(09-18-2014 05:30 PM)blazr Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 04:21 PM)imjustafatkid Wrote:  I'm surprised so many people think Callaway was better than McGee or that anyone thinks the only coach who took UAB to the only bowl game in school history could be considered "worst."

Callaway was already the coach for UAB when I started watching so I don't have any point of reference for Watson Brown but I always thought people considered him a good coach for the school. What is it I don't know about Brown?

Everything.

Has it proven productive - or possible, for that matter - to educate you about anything regarding UAB football?

No. It has not.

I admitted in my post that I wasn't following UAB football during the Brown era.

You reply to legitimate comments with garbage like this, but you called me a troll? Get over yourself.
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*shrug*

I knew this thread would turn into a "bash Coach Brown" thread.
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(09-18-2014 06:44 PM)imjustafatkid Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 05:30 PM)blazr Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 04:21 PM)imjustafatkid Wrote:  I'm surprised so many people think Callaway was better than McGee or that anyone thinks the only coach who took UAB to the only bowl game in school history could be considered "worst."

Callaway was already the coach for UAB when I started watching so I don't have any point of reference for Watson Brown but I always thought people considered him a good coach for the school. What is it I don't know about Brown?

Everything.

Has it proven productive - or possible, for that matter - to educate you about anything regarding UAB football?

No. It has not.

I admitted in my post that I wasn't following UAB football during the Brown era.

You reply to legitimate comments with garbage like this, but you called me a troll? Get over yourself.

All of that talk above answering your questions about Brown, in detail, and this is the post you choose to reply to.
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(09-18-2014 07:07 PM)Montgomery Blazer Wrote:  *shrug*

I knew this thread would turn into a "bash Coach Brown" thread.

Must be something about that guy, huh?
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Add this in: The UA BoT is the ultimate millionaire boys club. The only way you get on the board is to be invited by the board. The board can vote to remove any member they please. They are basically not subject to any form of review, by anyone, including the state lege, and they don't much care about public opinion unless a very large public stink is made. Enough heat and light can move them.. some, sometimes.
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(09-18-2014 04:27 PM)Smaug Wrote:  
(09-18-2014 04:21 PM)imjustafatkid Wrote:  I'm surprised so many people think Callaway was better than McGee or that anyone thinks the only coach who took UAB to the only bowl game in school history could be considered "worst."

Callaway was already the coach for UAB when I started watching so I don't have any point of reference for Watson Brown but I always thought people considered him a good coach for the school. What is it I don't know about Brown?

Watson could have been viewed as the best coach we've ever had, if he hadn't burned the place to the ground on his way out.

Just to give you a sense of what happened, Callaway took 60 scholarship players to East Lansing in his first game as coach.

Trvth
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(09-18-2014 11:03 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Definitely McGee.

Call me an optomist, but i think of him as our 5th best coach.
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(09-18-2014 12:49 PM)Montgomery Blazer Wrote:  The worst coach in UAB history was Eric Schumann.

I worked with Schumann for two year at Etowah High School. I've seen him work with young men. I wouldn't say he was the worst coach. Schumann knows his stuff. Plus, after getting to know him, he really is a nice guy. I have a hard time saying anything bad about him after working with him.
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My Rankings for what its worth

1) Hilyer
2) Clark (Resume Incomplete)
3) Brown
4) McGee
5) Callaway

I favor McGee over Callaway for one simple reason... He had the decency to walk away. We may not have liked how, but at least he did. He could get another job. He was hired using the the good ole boy network and Callaway used back channels to keep his job until the program sunk to new lows.
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There was nothing decent about the way McGee sneaked out of Birmingham. We were in no position to hire anyone to replace Callaway any earlier than we did. Not sure how he "used back channels to keep his job." That's a new one to me.
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Well, Bolt was our DC for a short period & now he is Troy's again.
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I hope they keep Bolt.
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