(09-18-2014 10:08 AM)knucklehead Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:44 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  Another Liberty thread so I'll say my piece again, and completely avoid the religious, socio-political angle. It's always stated that Liberty is the most ready to move up, with a massive financial war chest. The rest of the SBC is 2nd tier state schools, and subject to all of the vagaries of state budget processes, why would we want to bring in a school that could theoretically spend their way to the top of the conference without any of the budgetary constraints that the rest of us are subject to. No thanks. They are not a fit.

So, you are saying you are scared of what Liberty could become if allowed to move up? Nail hit on head.

If Liberty is so inept and sbc members so above LU, then what on earth is the worry?

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LOL...you funny.

(09-18-2014 08:20 AM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 07:28 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 07:14 AM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 11:13 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 09:40 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  Falwell was a thug looooong before Liberty ever demanded to be allowed into FBS and received the well-deserved backlash. You cannot have it BOTH WAYS!!!!!!

You may not agree with the guy but to call him a thug is asinine and insulting. Following an App game at Liberty years ago and our group stopped in a burger joint near the stadium. In walks Falwell and immediately walks over and congratulates us on the win. He spent several minutes talking about football and his dreams for Liberty's athletics program. Falwell was extremely cordial and very complimentary of App's team and fans. I've seen some thugs in my life, Jerry Falwell wasn't one.

A few minutes talking cordially with opposing team fans does not make a guy an all-around good guy.

There is a reason quite a few people didn't care for him or his legacy. Polarization has become the biggest generator of the degradation of this country. Both extremes are responsible for this mess and Falwell was a prominent member of the extreme Right. It just irks me to no end when some of the very people crying foul are the ones who foul the most.

You are going off on a tangent, I was simply responding to him calling Falwell a "thug".

No tangent; he was a thug. He was a thug against several groups of people who he passed judgement on. His messages condemned those groups to living outside the boundaries of society. Who granted him the power of judgement? It certainly wasn't God!

Yes, in my opinion, he was a thug to select groups.

P.S. I'm a 'her,' not a 'him.'

The man took a stand on what he believed. No different than what you or I do. He was controversial and polarizing, but he was not a thug. The reality is you and some others do not agree with the theological part of Jerry Falwell's comments. The discussion has nothing to do with Liberty's athletic program. Never has, never will.

PS: Hard to ascertain gender on a message board. My apologies if I offended you.

(09-18-2014 09:12 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 07:33 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  With the way the conference is looking right now beggars can't exactly be choosers.

Who is a beggar? Certainly not the Sun Belt. If anything, we are the belle of the ball as we hold the last ticket (at this time) to FBS.

Now is the prime time to be picky.

I can hardly stand the noise from everyone beating on the door to be granted the magical last spot. Geezzzzzzzzzzzz...............

(09-18-2014 10:18 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 09:12 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 07:33 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  With the way the conference is looking right now beggars can't exactly be choosers.

Who is a beggar? Certainly not the Sun Belt. If anything, we are the belle of the ball as we hold the last ticket (at this time) to FBS.

Now is the prime time to be picky.

I can hardly stand the noise from everyone beating on the door to be granted the magical last spot. Geezzzzzzzzzzzz...............

His point is 1) we dont NEED a #12 and 2) we are the last spot in FBS.

Why on earth would the Belt want to add an entity that a) could be an absolute PR nightmare...and has proven it...and b) that has only two FBS wins in its history (Ball State in 2010 and Eastern Michigan in 1989)?

As an aside, why would you guys NOT want a CC game??? It does much more good than harm IMHO...

CRUCify him, CRUCify him, FREEEEE BARABAS!

(09-18-2014 10:48 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Why on earth would the Belt want to add an entity that a) could be an absolute PR nightmare...and has proven it...and b) that has only two FBS wins in its history (Ball State in 2010 and Eastern Michigan in 1989)?

As an aside, why would you guys NOT want a CC game??? It does much more good than harm IMHO...

Want and need are two different words

(09-18-2014 10:48 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Why on earth would the Belt want to add an entity that a) could be an absolute PR nightmare...and has proven it...and b) that has only two FBS wins in its history (Ball State in 2010 and Eastern Michigan in 1989)?

As an aside, why would you guys NOT want a CC game??? It does much more good than harm IMHO...

As much as I don't want LU in the SBC, I think the FBS wins argument is a non-issue. We only had one FBS win and that was on our last game as a FCS school. We had been ready (except financially) to move up for a long time. The SBC has little need to break into the Virginia recruiting territory as it is not that significant of a hotbed of talent. The stats and reputation of Liberty is so unlike any SBC school past or present. If Liberty wants into FBS so bad and SBC is not interested in their admission, why not go politicking to the other conferences. If they are such a great catch, I'm sure the other conferences would bend over backwards to bring them onboard.

(09-18-2014 11:08 AM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 10:48 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Why on earth would the Belt want to add an entity that a) could be an absolute PR nightmare...and has proven it...and b) that has only two FBS wins in its history (Ball State in 2010 and Eastern Michigan in 1989)?

As an aside, why would you guys NOT want a CC game??? It does much more good than harm IMHO...

As much as I don't want LU in the SBC, I think the FBS wins argument is a non-issue. We only had one FBS win and that was on our last game as a FCS school. We had been ready (except financially) to move up for a long time. The SBC has little need to break into the Virginia recruiting territory as it is not that significant of a hotbed of talent. The stats and reputation of Liberty is so unlike any SBC school past or present. If Liberty wants into FBS so bad and SBC is not interested in their admission, why not go politicking to the other conferences. If they are such a great catch, I'm sure the other conferences would bend over backwards to bring them onboard.

Because the other available geographical fit FBS conferences would be even more adamantly opposed than a Deep South conference. They should get into the CAA, if they can, play nice there and then make their case to the MAC or CUSA. But think about it, they cant even get ODU to lobby for them.

No, I realize want and need are different...But here's my point...

In 1997, the MAC went to a CCG format and gained a bowl tie-in... In 1999, two teams went bowling...In several other years, three teams went because the conference gained extra exposure...Hell, Marshall went bowling at 6-6 out of the MAC and my opinion is that it was because of extra exposure for the conference....Not trying to flame or start anything, but I doubt a 6-6 Belt team would even get a sniff of a bowl AS THINGS STAND NOW....I could be mistaken, but just IMHO

I'm just saying that although you may not "need" a CC game, it could only help...

The point of not needing is that you don't add Liberty just get one. And if they were such a great catch I would think that ODU and Marshall would be chomping at the bit to get another regional rival.

(09-17-2014 08:34 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 07:26 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  I can't wait till Oct 11th! But we have some big business the next 3 weeks leading up to it as well.

There is NO mandatory attendance. The students left early because it was Brevard. Should be better this week vs #24 Bryant and will be better for Richmond on 10/4. Yes we gave up too many yards.

No other school realistically on the table brings that crowd, atmosphere, tv production / package. By the way, I think LFSN may be televising the game from Boone as well. Not sure, but I heard they may.

We do have some work to do on the winning tradition. This year is setting up well for a good chance to right that ship. We shall see.

Gonna take 10 to 15 years of winning and washing away public perception.

I can understand fans of some SB schools saying Liberty hasn't won enough to be considered, but I don't believe fans of Ga. State can make that statement. If that was the most important criteria for entrance we wouldn't be talking to you right now. Liberty does need to improve their on-field performance, but the same can be said about most of us right now.

Just to be clear, Liberty is not my first choice to be added to the conference. I just don't like people saying a school can't be added for X reason when their school was added despite having the same issue. Personally I wish we would drop Idaho and NMSU (sorry guys) and stick to 9 football members for the time being since there doesn't appear to be a great option for #12.

(09-18-2014 08:20 AM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  P.S. I'm a 'her,' not a 'him.'

I wish I could have found a .gif of this.

(09-18-2014 12:08 PM)JTApps1 Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 08:34 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 07:26 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  I can't wait till Oct 11th! But we have some big business the next 3 weeks leading up to it as well.

There is NO mandatory attendance. The students left early because it was Brevard. Should be better this week vs #24 Bryant and will be better for Richmond on 10/4. Yes we gave up too many yards.

No other school realistically on the table brings that crowd, atmosphere, tv production / package. By the way, I think LFSN may be televising the game from Boone as well. Not sure, but I heard they may.

We do have some work to do on the winning tradition. This year is setting up well for a good chance to right that ship. We shall see.

Gonna take 10 to 15 years of winning and washing away public perception.

I can understand fans of some SB schools saying Liberty hasn't won enough to be considered, but I don't believe fans of Ga. State can make that statement. If that was the most important criteria for entrance we wouldn't be talking to you right now. Liberty does need to improve their on-field performance, but the same can be said about most of us right now.

Just to be clear, Liberty is not my first choice to be added to the conference. I just don't like people saying a school can't be added for X reason when their school was added despite having the same issue. Personally I wish we would drop Idaho and NMSU (sorry guys) and stick to 9 football members for the time being since there doesn't appear to be a great option for #12.

For any other school the winning is inconsequential. However as I said, the first thing people think of when they say Liberty is NOT football. They are going to have to make the first thing think of be football and not CSPAN or political elections. I have no doubt that eventually Liberty will make it to FBS. I just hope we are long gone when it happens. That grenade is missing a pin.

(09-18-2014 12:28 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:20 AM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  P.S. I'm a 'her,' not a 'him.'

I wish I could have found a .gif of this.

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No, I agree Panama...I wouldn't add Liberty either...I think Mizzou State or EKU would be a MUCH better fit for a 12th member...

(09-18-2014 10:18 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 09:12 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 07:33 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  With the way the conference is looking right now beggars can't exactly be choosers.

Who is a beggar? Certainly not the Sun Belt. If anything, we are the belle of the ball as we hold the last ticket (at this time) to FBS.

Now is the prime time to be picky.

I can hardly stand the noise from everyone beating on the door to be granted the magical last spot. Geezzzzzzzzzzzz...............

You're right, because there isn't a line at the door, we need to take WHATEVER we can get.

There is no NEED for a 12th team. And it makes ZERO sense to add a team that a) does not align with the core values of the existing membership school, b) does nothing to raise the profile of the conference, and c) is such an obvious polarizing entity. If Liberty was such a strong candidate to become such a solid member due to their money and commitment to athletics, why has that not shown on the football field? Where are their playoff wins? What talent rich area do they give us access to?

To put it another way: Just because App State feels lonely doesn't mean the other 11 schools need to vote in that direction.

(09-18-2014 11:27 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  No, I realize want and need are different...But here's my point...

In 1997, the MAC went to a CCG format and gained a bowl tie-in... In 1999, two teams went bowling...In several other years, three teams went because the conference gained extra exposure...Hell, Marshall went bowling at 6-6 out of the MAC and my opinion is that it was because of extra exposure for the conference....Not trying to flame or start anything, but I doubt a 6-6 Belt team would even get a sniff of a bowl AS THINGS STAND NOW....I could be mistaken, but just IMHO

I'm just saying that although you may not "need" a CC game, it could only help...

I understand the point you're making, THUNDERGround. That would be nice. However, as nice as some things are, the price to get them may be too high to accept. We'd rather have one less bowl than have LU in the conference. Worst than having to take your little brother with you on your date just so he has a babysitter.

Again it has been stated that liberty's stance on religion or politics never came up in SBC membership discussions.

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(09-18-2014 02:09 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  Again it has been stated that liberty's stance on religion or politics never came up in SBC membership discussions.

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So why were you passed over twice given all of your advantages?