It's easy to campaign as a Dem.. The President began campaigning after his 2nd inauguration.

(09-16-2014 01:24 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 01:08 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 01:02 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 12:59 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 12:40 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Ah yes, the obligatory libertarian post that gladly encourages another 8 years of Democratic rule because they are angry at the GOP.

LOL...seriously guy, show me how I am a libertarian.

Who are you voting for in 2016? Democrat or Republican.

Really? That is how you judge me.

I can put it this way, I have never voted for a Democrat for any office of Governor or higher (including Senate/Congress). I have also never voted Libertarian...EVER.

So you are voting Republican.


Did it ever occur to you that it isn't the GOP that is the trainwreck...but the electorate?

Since I have no idea who the Republican party is putting out there, I can't commit to voting Republican in 2016. I don't follow a party blindly like you do, I follow my personal ideology. People who can think for themselves don't need a party.

(09-16-2014 01:28 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 01:24 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 01:08 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 01:02 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 12:59 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  LOL...seriously guy, show me how I am a libertarian.

Who are you voting for in 2016? Democrat or Republican.

Really? That is how you judge me.

I can put it this way, I have never voted for a Democrat for any office of Governor or higher (including Senate/Congress). I have also never voted Libertarian...EVER.

So you are voting Republican.


Did it ever occur to you that it isn't the GOP that is the trainwreck...but the electorate?

Since I have no idea who the Republican party is putting out there, I can't commit to voting Republican in 2016. I don't follow a party blindly like you do, I follow my personal ideology. People who can think for themselves don't need a party.

Then we aren't really clear on if the party is a trainwreck or not.

It's this simple. We now have 45% or the country that will vote to keep their handouts.

What is your strategy for the GOP to combat that?

Well to start Sparky a pretty sizable chunk of that 45% vote Republican. Start there.

(09-16-2014 10:11 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Three basic facts for introspection. I think the party's leaders understand it but the base runs away from it or puts their head into the sand. Let's start here.

(1) Dems have won the popular vote in 5 of the last 6;

(2) Dems start with 240 or so electoral votes in states that have voted Democrat in each presidential election since 1992;

(3) The demographic changes are most visible in states that used to be either reliably GOP or trending GOP, like Florida and Virginia. Those states are now trending solidly Democrat in presidential elections. Also the GOP used to be able to rely on populous western states like Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona and Nevada. Among western states with major population centers, the GOP can only rely on Utah and Arizona, and I think Arizona is likely to move closer to toss up in the next couple of elections. Colorado appears to be moving reliably blue, and Nevada and New Mexico are solidly blue at this point.

Given all these facts and assumptions in the West. How can the GOP change to become a national viable party again? Right off the bast they start at a distinct disadvantage. For everything they have going for them in gerrymandering House Districts and the Senate, they are equally or even more disadvantaged in Presidential Elections.

I'll say a R candidate starts out at a 65% disadvantaged rate just with Demographics.. He has a 35% chance out of the gate. Then they have to exit the primary process where they have to trend so far to the right they are almost in a no win situation.


Discuss.

Obama was 1 in a 100 year candidate. Hillary probably is not. MSM will try to help her but more people getting info from social media these days. Way too early to call anything. Also Ross Perot got Clinton elected both times.

(09-16-2014 01:33 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 01:28 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 01:24 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 01:08 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 01:02 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Who are you voting for in 2016? Democrat or Republican.

Really? That is how you judge me.

I can put it this way, I have never voted for a Democrat for any office of Governor or higher (including Senate/Congress). I have also never voted Libertarian...EVER.

So you are voting Republican.


Did it ever occur to you that it isn't the GOP that is the trainwreck...but the electorate?

Since I have no idea who the Republican party is putting out there, I can't commit to voting Republican in 2016. I don't follow a party blindly like you do, I follow my personal ideology. People who can think for themselves don't need a party.

Then we aren't really clear on if the party is a trainwreck or not.

It's this simple. We now have 45% or the country that will vote to keep their handouts.

What is your strategy for the GOP to combat that?

Is fear your only motivator?

Republican candidates need to lie much more often and throw promises out there that they intend not to keep,
like Obama did.

Bill Clinton won the state of Ohio with 40% of the vote in 1992. No Ross Perot=No Bill Clinton.

In fact, Bill Clinton only won 1 state with more than 50% of the vote...Arkansas.

(09-16-2014 11:21 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Is there any scenario you could envision under which you would vote republican Mach? Given your interest in the GOP perhaps you're just waiting on the right candidate(s) who could lead you to modify your ideology.


Posted from the shallow recesses of my feeble mind.

the election being circa 1860 would be the only way that ever happens.