(09-13-2014 11:57 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 10:35 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Well, the BC win washes away the VT defeat.

The sweetest part about the BC win is that it is just going to keep on giving. It is going to be hilarious later this season when BC is finishing at the bottom of the ACC Atlantic Division, while USC is competing for a PAC12 title.

That USC wont be competing for the PAC 12 title. ASU can whip that USC team.

(09-14-2014 01:44 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 11:57 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 10:35 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Well, the BC win washes away the VT defeat.

The sweetest part about the BC win is that it is just going to keep on giving. It is going to be hilarious later this season when BC is finishing at the bottom of the ACC Atlantic Division, while USC is competing for a PAC12 title.

That USC wont be competing for the PAC 12 title. ASU can whip that USC team.

The Sun Devils do look good. And the Trojans performance this week only highlights how Stanford really beat themselves.

(09-14-2014 05:40 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 01:44 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 11:57 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 10:35 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Well, the BC win washes away the VT defeat.

The sweetest part about the BC win is that it is just going to keep on giving. It is going to be hilarious later this season when BC is finishing at the bottom of the ACC Atlantic Division, while USC is competing for a PAC12 title.

That USC wont be competing for the PAC 12 title. ASU can whip that USC team.

The Sun Devils do look good. And the Trojans performance this week only highlights how Stanford really beat themselves.

Sure, if you think that "looking good" means giving up 545 yards of offense to Colorado. Opponents better than Colorado will finish those drives with scores.

How good will ASU look without their starting QB? That elbow injury looked nasty.

(09-14-2014 01:21 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  How good will ASU look without their starting QB? That elbow injury looked nasty.

ASU's qb Kelly hurt his foot. That one did look bad.

UCLA's qb Hundley hurt his elbow. You're right, that didn't look good either.

Both have 12 days to get better, they have byes next week and play each other on Thursday night the following week.

(09-14-2014 05:21 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 01:21 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  How good will ASU look without their starting QB? That elbow injury looked nasty.

ASU's qb Kelly hurt his foot. That one did look bad.

UCLA's qb Hundley hurt his elbow. You're right, that didn't look good either.

Both have 12 days to get better, they have byes next week and play each other on Thursday night the following week.

OH RANDOM FLUCTUATIONS IN THE SPACE-TIME CONTINUUM!!!

Mental pause strikes again. I got the injury mixed. However, my point still stands. If Kelly is unable to go, it puts a damper on ASU's chances.

As for UCLA, I wonder if Hundley will get his job back. Rick's boy looked great in relief, and pulled the Bruins butt out of the fire. He may take the job and run with it.

(09-13-2014 11:57 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 10:35 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Well, the BC win washes away the VT defeat.

The sweetest part about the BC win is that it is just going to keep on giving. It is going to be hilarious later this season when BC is finishing at the bottom of the ACC Atlantic Division, while USC is competing for a PAC12 title.

It's the kind of loss that would hurt SC getting a playoff bid vs a 1 loss champion of another P5 league should they win out from here on. It also limits the benefit they provide other PAC teams.

With that said the Big Ten really needs Nebraska to beat Miami to get a P5 win and to keep one of their two unbeatens from picking up a loss to a P5 league. NU, PSU, and Rutgers are the only ones who haven't lost to another league's team.

If NU loses to Miami it's gonna be really hard for the B1G to reach the playoff unless everyone else drops like flies. All their best eggs would be in PSU's basket.

(09-14-2014 01:43 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 11:51 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 04:51 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 03:44 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 03:02 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Big Ten loses two more undefeated teams. OSU looks worse if ECU hangs on.

Yeah and the ACC has already had two ranked teams go down today but it's all about the Big Ten.

Didn't you know? The people here hate the big ten and know we're here and try to antagonize us.

Yeah, because facts are a real pita, aren't they?

It's not their year...oh well. And it isn't just the unfortunate outcomes in the non-con...it's lining up pretty badly between the conference schedule, too. Not enough good looks between the eastern powers and western ones. Again, from an earlier thread, this conference NEEDS MSU and Wisconsin to run over it. But even there, assuming those two win out, some of those in the way look worse taking more bumps, like Nebraska, who sees them both.

If OSU wins out, including a win over Michigan State than the situation is no different either way. They both would have that solid win in division and then a solid win over Wisconsin.

The Wisky vs MSU theory was me. Due to OSU's latest performance, if they can continue in that manner rather than how they played against VT then it can be either Ohio State or Michigan State that does it.

For me, I trust Michigan State more than Ohio State so that would be my personal wish but by the math and by the natural bias Ohio State gets, they would be suitable if they finish up at 12-1 Conference Champions with victories over 10-2 Michigan State and 11-2 Wisconsin.

The problem that Ohio St could have quite frankly is if VT goes into the tank. VT doesn't have that tough of a schedule- so if they went like 8-4- that's not going to be a good 8-4 quite frankly. So if the committee goes some on worst loss- OSU could easily have that.

(09-14-2014 08:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 01:43 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 11:51 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 04:51 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 03:44 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Yeah and the ACC has already had two ranked teams go down today but it's all about the Big Ten.

Didn't you know? The people here hate the big ten and know we're here and try to antagonize us.

Yeah, because facts are a real pita, aren't they?

It's not their year...oh well. And it isn't just the unfortunate outcomes in the non-con...it's lining up pretty badly between the conference schedule, too. Not enough good looks between the eastern powers and western ones. Again, from an earlier thread, this conference NEEDS MSU and Wisconsin to run over it. But even there, assuming those two win out, some of those in the way look worse taking more bumps, like Nebraska, who sees them both.

If OSU wins out, including a win over Michigan State than the situation is no different either way. They both would have that solid win in division and then a solid win over Wisconsin.

The Wisky vs MSU theory was me. Due to OSU's latest performance, if they can continue in that manner rather than how they played against VT then it can be either Ohio State or Michigan State that does it.

For me, I trust Michigan State more than Ohio State so that would be my personal wish but by the math and by the natural bias Ohio State gets, they would be suitable if they finish up at 12-1 Conference Champions with victories over 10-2 Michigan State and 11-2 Wisconsin.

The problem that Ohio St could have quite frankly is if VT goes into the tank. VT doesn't have that tough of a schedule- so if they went like 8-4- that's not going to be a good 8-4 quite frankly. So if the committee goes some on worst loss- OSU could easily have that.

They already said that late season wins and losses will be taken into account more heavily than early season. Week 2 game vs a Week 11 game against MSU and a final Championship game against Wisconsin. Yeah, the VT game wont be heavily looked at. What happens later in the season will be taken more heavily into account because THAT is the team that would receive the invite, not the team that played against VT.

no doubt later results will be looked at closely- but at the same time- if it's Ohio St with only a loss to VT at 8-4- compared to say a Notre Dame with only a loss to Florida St- Notre Dame would get the advantage every time- and part of it would be who they lost to.

Ohio St at 12-1 may get in- but the tough part for them is going 12-1. I just don't think they are that good. Having an inexperienced QB will rear it's head at least 1 more time almost certainly.

(09-14-2014 09:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  no doubt later results will be looked at closely- but at the same time- if it's Ohio St with only a loss to VT at 8-4- compared to say a Notre Dame with only a loss to Florida St- Notre Dame would get the advantage every time- and part of it would be who they lost to.

Ohio St at 12-1 may get in- but the tough part for them is going 12-1. I just don't think they are that good. Having an inexperienced QB will rear it's head at least 1 more time almost certainly.

Unless Nebraska goes undefeated or Penn State pulls it off, and both look to be more dubious candidates than Michigan State and Wisconsin for the Big 10 championship then the Big 10 is in a tough spot with no significant P5 victory comparisons to be made. But, a 12 -1 Wisconsin with a close loss to L.S.U. could do it. And a 12-1 Michigan State with a loss to Oregon can do it. IMO those are the best two scenarios for the Big 10 right now as I doubt this Penn State team has the depth to pull it off and Nebraska is just not consistent enough to do it. If Nebraska and Penn State both pick up a loss, and Michigan State and Wisconsin both drop another one there will be no Champion from the Big 10 making the playoffs. I don't think the Buckeyes can win them all. And the last time I checked nobody in the Big 10 is named Lazarus U.

(09-14-2014 09:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 09:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  no doubt later results will be looked at closely- but at the same time- if it's Ohio St with only a loss to VT at 8-4- compared to say a Notre Dame with only a loss to Florida St- Notre Dame would get the advantage every time- and part of it would be who they lost to.

Ohio St at 12-1 may get in- but the tough part for them is going 12-1. I just don't think they are that good. Having an inexperienced QB will rear it's head at least 1 more time almost certainly.

Unless Nebraska goes undefeated or Penn State pulls it off, and both look to be more dubious candidates than Michigan State and Wisconsin for the Big 10 championship then the Big 10 is in a tough spot with no significant P5 victory comparisons to be made. But, a 12 -1 Wisconsin with a close loss to L.S.U. could do it. And a 12-1 Michigan State with a loss to Oregon can do it. IMO those are the best two scenarios for the Big 10 right now as I doubt this Penn State team has the depth to pull it off and Nebraska is just not consistent enough to do it. If Nebraska and Penn State both pick up a loss, and Michigan State and Wisconsin both drop another one there will be no Champion from the Big 10 making the playoffs. I don't think the Buckeyes can win them all. And the last time I checked nobody in the Big 10 is named Lazarus U.

yeah I agree with you a lot. I think especially Wisconsin if their QB situation gets resolved. Think OSU could get in at 12-1, but I just don't think they can go 12-1.

(09-14-2014 09:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  no doubt later results will be looked at closely- but at the same time- if it's Ohio St with only a loss to VT at 8-4- compared to say a Notre Dame with only a loss to Florida St- Notre Dame would get the advantage every time- and part of it would be who they lost to.

Ohio St at 12-1 may get in- but the tough part for them is going 12-1. I just don't think they are that good. Having an inexperienced QB will rear it's head at least 1 more time almost certainly.

Yes, I agree 12-1 is not a given for Ohio State and your example is good for how Notre Dame would get in before them but how about the other two slots? Very likely every slot gets filled by teams with no losses or only one loss. In that regard Ohio State could definitely get squeezed out but it is not a sure thing. They will have some strong wins at the end of the season. It will depend on how they look in those wins and how some of the competition looks in their wins.

We have plenty of weeks left to analyze.

Personally I would rather Michigan State beats Ohio State and the Championship game is Michigan State against Wisconsin. I think that gives the Big Ten the best chance. Hopefully Ohio State only has two losses on the year, the second being to Michigan State. That should boost their SoS and a win over Wisconsin at the end should be enough to give them a fighting chance. The rest will be out of their hands.

(09-14-2014 09:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 09:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  no doubt later results will be looked at closely- but at the same time- if it's Ohio St with only a loss to VT at 8-4- compared to say a Notre Dame with only a loss to Florida St- Notre Dame would get the advantage every time- and part of it would be who they lost to.

Ohio St at 12-1 may get in- but the tough part for them is going 12-1. I just don't think they are that good. Having an inexperienced QB will rear it's head at least 1 more time almost certainly.

Unless Nebraska goes undefeated or Penn State pulls it off, and both look to be more dubious candidates than Michigan State and Wisconsin for the Big 10 championship then the Big 10 is in a tough spot with no significant P5 victory comparisons to be made.

A one-loss Big Ten champ is in a tough spot -- if the champs of the other P5 conferences all have fewer than two losses.

IMO any P5 champ with fewer than two losses is going to be in the playoff as long as at least two out of the P5 champs plus ND has at least two losses. A one-loss P5 champ isn't going to be passed over in favor of any two-loss team.

Still don't know how it's going to shake out, though. The top four teams in the SEC West have to distribute six losses amongst themselves even if none of them loses to anyone outside that group of four. And every year, many good teams lose games they weren't supposed to lose; there are several upsets yet to come and we don't know who will get bitten.

(09-14-2014 11:20 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 09:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  no doubt later results will be looked at closely- but at the same time- if it's Ohio St with only a loss to VT at 8-4- compared to say a Notre Dame with only a loss to Florida St- Notre Dame would get the advantage every time- and part of it would be who they lost to.

Ohio St at 12-1 may get in- but the tough part for them is going 12-1. I just don't think they are that good. Having an inexperienced QB will rear it's head at least 1 more time almost certainly.

Yes, I agree 12-1 is not a given for Ohio State and your example is good for how Notre Dame would get in before them but how about the other two slots? Very likely every slot gets filled by teams with no losses or only one loss. In that regard Ohio State could definitely get squeezed out but it is not a sure thing. They will have some strong wins at the end of the season. It will depend on how they look in those wins and how some of the competition looks in their wins.

We have plenty of weeks left to analyze.

Personally I would rather Michigan State beats Ohio State and the Championship game is Michigan State against Wisconsin. I think that gives the Big Ten the best chance. Hopefully Ohio State only has two losses on the year, the second being to Michigan State. That should boost their SoS and a win over Wisconsin at the end should be enough to give them a fighting chance. The rest will be out of their hands.

I think a 0-1 loss SEC champ is in pretty much automatically.
I think a 0-1 loss P12 champ is in pretty easily
ND in
I think 4th team would be either FSU(maybe even if they lose a game- but still win the ACC)- or Oklahoma/Baylor.

(09-15-2014 12:08 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 11:20 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 09:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  no doubt later results will be looked at closely- but at the same time- if it's Ohio St with only a loss to VT at 8-4- compared to say a Notre Dame with only a loss to Florida St- Notre Dame would get the advantage every time- and part of it would be who they lost to.

Ohio St at 12-1 may get in- but the tough part for them is going 12-1. I just don't think they are that good. Having an inexperienced QB will rear it's head at least 1 more time almost certainly.

Yes, I agree 12-1 is not a given for Ohio State and your example is good for how Notre Dame would get in before them but how about the other two slots? Very likely every slot gets filled by teams with no losses or only one loss. In that regard Ohio State could definitely get squeezed out but it is not a sure thing. They will have some strong wins at the end of the season. It will depend on how they look in those wins and how some of the competition looks in their wins.

We have plenty of weeks left to analyze.

Personally I would rather Michigan State beats Ohio State and the Championship game is Michigan State against Wisconsin. I think that gives the Big Ten the best chance. Hopefully Ohio State only has two losses on the year, the second being to Michigan State. That should boost their SoS and a win over Wisconsin at the end should be enough to give them a fighting chance. The rest will be out of their hands.

I think a 0-1 loss SEC champ is in pretty much automatically.
I think a 0-1 loss P12 champ is in pretty easily
ND in
I think 4th team would be either FSU(maybe even if they lose a game- but still win the ACC)- or Oklahoma/Baylor.

Those are all big if's. I would agree IF they all go 11-1. Oklahoma State plays Oklahoma tough. The Oklahoma and Baylor game is gonna take one down. Hell, even Iowa State stole Oklahoma State's dream of a National Championship away from them. The Big 12 will always have that to worry about.

FSU is great but, they had a less than stellar starting and they have had a week off. How will they do against Clemson? How about that thorn in the side NC State? Boston College just beat USC. USC isn't FSU but their game against FSU is the second to last week. How will Florida be for the week after that? FSU has some hurdles. They have Louisville at Louisville. That Stadium is going to be jacked up for that game and so will the Cardinals.

They play at Miami and of course there is The Irish.

The Irish could beat FSU and still have a couple losses on the season due to their crazy schedule. Wouldn't it be ironic if Louisville crushed both of their dreams all in one year? Personally I am hoping for ASU to come up with an upset victory at home against the Irish. I am going to try to get tickets to that game myself.

Lot's of If's still Stever. Far too early for you to try and proclaim it over.

(09-15-2014 01:02 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 12:08 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 11:20 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 09:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  no doubt later results will be looked at closely- but at the same time- if it's Ohio St with only a loss to VT at 8-4- compared to say a Notre Dame with only a loss to Florida St- Notre Dame would get the advantage every time- and part of it would be who they lost to.

Ohio St at 12-1 may get in- but the tough part for them is going 12-1. I just don't think they are that good. Having an inexperienced QB will rear it's head at least 1 more time almost certainly.

Yes, I agree 12-1 is not a given for Ohio State and your example is good for how Notre Dame would get in before them but how about the other two slots? Very likely every slot gets filled by teams with no losses or only one loss. In that regard Ohio State could definitely get squeezed out but it is not a sure thing. They will have some strong wins at the end of the season. It will depend on how they look in those wins and how some of the competition looks in their wins.

We have plenty of weeks left to analyze.

Personally I would rather Michigan State beats Ohio State and the Championship game is Michigan State against Wisconsin. I think that gives the Big Ten the best chance. Hopefully Ohio State only has two losses on the year, the second being to Michigan State. That should boost their SoS and a win over Wisconsin at the end should be enough to give them a fighting chance. The rest will be out of their hands.

I think a 0-1 loss SEC champ is in pretty much automatically.
I think a 0-1 loss P12 champ is in pretty easily
ND in
I think 4th team would be either FSU(maybe even if they lose a game- but still win the ACC)- or Oklahoma/Baylor.

Those are all big if's. I would agree IF they all go 11-1. Oklahoma State plays Oklahoma tough. The Oklahoma and Baylor game is gonna take one down. Hell, even Iowa State stole Oklahoma State's dream of a National Championship away from them. The Big 12 will always have that to worry about.

FSU is great but, they had a less than stellar starting and they have had a week off. How will they do against Clemson? How about that thorn in the side NC State? Boston College just beat USC. USC isn't FSU but their game against FSU is the second to last week. How will Florida be for the week after that? FSU has some hurdles. They have Louisville at Louisville. That Stadium is going to be jacked up for that game and so will the Cardinals.

They play at Miami and of course there is The Irish.

The Irish could beat FSU and still have a couple losses on the season due to their crazy schedule. Wouldn't it be ironic if Louisville crushed both of their dreams all in one year? Personally I am hoping for ASU to come up with an upset victory at home against the Irish. I am going to try to get tickets to that game myself.

Lot's of If's still Stever. Far too early for you to try and proclaim it over.

I think it's a far bigger if for the Big Ten to have Wisconsin and Michigan St/Ohio St both get to the title game at 11-1. And that very possibly may be what it takes for the Big Ten to get into the playoff.

It is an if but look at Wisconsin's schedule. It is pretty soft.

Look at Michigan State's schedule. The toughest game for them will be Ohio State. Maybe Michigan will be a challenge. Maybe Penn State will be but I doubt they have the depth.

I just don't see MSU or OSU not making it with just 1 loss depending upon whom beats the other. The same goes for Wisky. I would say the odds right now are in favor of them making it through their Big Ten records and having two 1 loss teams face each other in the Championship.

The teams I listed have tougher schedules, all of them.

(09-15-2014 08:41 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  It is an if but look at Wisconsin's schedule. It is pretty soft.

Look at Michigan State's schedule. The toughest game for them will be Ohio State. Maybe Michigan will be a challenge. Maybe Penn State will be but I doubt they have the depth.

I just don't see MSU or OSU not making it with just 1 loss depending upon whom beats the other. The same goes for Wisky. I would say the odds right now are in favor of them making it through their Big Ten records and having two 1 loss teams face each other in the Championship.

The teams I listed have tougher schedules, all of them.

The thing is- a 12-1 MSU/OSU/Wisconsin team would look good- but would need to have 2 of ND, ACC Champ, B12 champ,P12 champ- to have at least 2 losses. It's possible- but not likely. I mean, I could see a FSU lose 1 time, but 2 times? Not really counting on that. Only 2 ranked teams on the schedule the rest of the season. Oklahoma/Baylor winner- only has 2 other ranked B12 teams- KSU and Okla St(and both of them get both of those other teams at home).

It's just way too likely to me to have SEC, FSU, Oregon, and then Oklahoma/Baylor.

Will the SEC have a two loss champ? It's possible this year.

Will Oklahoma or Baylor have two losses. It is always possible in The Big 12.

Will FSU have two losses? Both Clemson and Notre Dame could beat them. There are other teams on their schedule that could beat them. It is possible. Is it probable? Who knows, that is the fun part, we have to wait and see. I am simply talking possibilities. If you want to go ahead and say what is probable and what isn't, that is just you guessing.

I think in the end Oregon may end up with the number 1 ranking and undefeated. I don't see anyone beating them in the PAC but it's still early.

That all leaves plenty of room for The Big Ten champion if things fall into place properly.