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I found this on the EMU board.

Quote:Two weeks into the season and the Big Ten already is eliminated from College Football Playoff consideration

http://www.freep.com/article/20140910/CO...o-Sun-Belt

This has major implications for the MAC as well.

I think this has implications that extend beyond the MAC and include the Group of Five.

Given the way that college football is organized and run now, it's a huge problem if the B1G can't get a team into the Power Five's playoffs on a consistent basis. And if that problem is the not the result of bad coaching and/or recruiting but rather the result of demographic changes which are societal and not easily addressed then there's only one viable solution, expand the playoff so there's room for a mediocre B1G champion. What happened to the old Bowl system is an example of this writ large. If your team's not good enough to get into one of the big bowl games just create more bowl games; everyone's a winner unless you're 6-6 - and "we still might let you if we need another team or two."

So this "problem" will expedite the expansion of the playoff and maybe, just maybe, in that expansion the Group of Five will get a guaranteed seat at the table.

(09-11-2014 12:55 PM)Old Monarch Wrote:  So this "problem" will expedite the expansion of the playoff and maybe, just maybe, in that expansion the Group of Five will get a guaranteed seat at the table.

I think your more likely to see the p5 break away from the NCAA altogether before they allow anyone else at their table.

(09-11-2014 02:01 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 12:55 PM)Old Monarch Wrote:  So this "problem" will expedite the expansion of the playoff and maybe, just maybe, in that expansion the Group of Five will get a guaranteed seat at the table.

I think your more likely to see the p5 break away from the NCAA altogether before they allow anyone else at their table.

I am not sure that football is enough to overcome the exclusion of basketball and nopn revenue sports froim the rest of the NCAA..
I don't think that P5-only men's and women's basketball would generate enough interest to make for a great revenue producing tournament vs the NCAAT.

(09-11-2014 02:01 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 12:55 PM)Old Monarch Wrote:  So this "problem" will expedite the expansion of the playoff and maybe, just maybe, in that expansion the Group of Five will get a guaranteed seat at the table.

I think your more likely to see the p5 break away from the NCAA altogether before they allow anyone else at their table.

They have no need to break away. That would probably destroy the tournament and no one wants to do that. The money's too good even if they don't completely control it.

They now have autonomy and so are not impeded in any way by the Group of Five. They control the sport. The only problem they have is that there aren't enough of them to play a 12 game season. So they need teams to play, and not just play but to play and beat on order to continue those 9-3 and 10-2 seasons their fans demand. So to keep fodder available they might just give up one of those expanded playoff spots. Remember, with the four team playoff they handed out a lot of money to the Group of Five with a promise of "consideration" for a playoff spot under the right circumstances.

(09-11-2014 02:23 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 02:01 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(09-11-2014 12:55 PM)Old Monarch Wrote:  So this "problem" will expedite the expansion of the playoff and maybe, just maybe, in that expansion the Group of Five will get a guaranteed seat at the table.

I think your more likely to see the p5 break away from the NCAA altogether before they allow anyone else at their table.

I am not sure that football is enough to overcome the exclusion of basketball and nopn revenue sports froim the rest of the NCAA..
I don't think that P5-only men's and women's basketball would generate enough interest to make for a great revenue producing tournament vs the NCAAT.

I dont think there any doubt, that if the p5 were to break away it would be a good thing for them and tv from a football perspective. Obviously the big problem is the NCAA tourney, we all know cinderallas are a great story line and a p5 tourney wouldnt have the same charm.

As far as basketball goes, the p5 needs the other schools (well enough of them to make for interesting matchups, not necessarily the enitre ~280 schools), but those schools need the p5 just as much if not more. So I imagine in order for that tourney money to keep coming, if there is a break away, there will be some kind of compromise. The NCAA simply cant say sorry see you later, because it will have no power, hence the current rounds of autonomy rules theyre passing to appease the p5 for now.

I look at it like english soccer was 20 years ago. There was the Football League with 4 divisions. The teams in the 1st division realized they were the money makers and broke away to form their own league so they could keep all the money, but still worked with the FL when it came to pro/rel and the football league cup competition because it benefited both sides to work together despite the breakaway.