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RE: USF fans got a question
(09-07-2014 09:00 AM)DiamondKnight Wrote:  
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(09-07-2014 12:28 AM)Jimmy Wrote:  On-campus stadium. USF could have committed to it in the late 1990s but Leavitt thought the Bucs' digs would be a good recruiting tool and preferred to work in those trailers on campus. USF built some Greek houses and expanded the softball/baseball complex instead of placing a stadium in Temple Terrace. Shame, too, as that would be a great location to bring people in.

Agree...and I think more and more USF fans are slowly beginning to realize that ANY on-campus stadium (even if similar to BHNS) would help attract more students to games...which in turn increases the chances that they become alumni season tix holders and/or even boosters.

The comments by a few that only want a $300 Million (probably would cost $400 Million plus in the near future) like what Minnesota or Baylor just put up is just a pipe dream...and that pipe is broken.

USF has to get back to reality...maybe look at how Houston built their new 40,000 seat, $120 Million stadium (even though most seats are bleachers), as they would help them culture a lot new fans vs playing in front of 50,000 empty seats at some off-campus football stadium.

Also, just like almost every other school that has 50-90 plus year old stadiums...they are constantly renovated...but one has to get one built before it can be renovated.

to think USF could do a Minnesota stadium is crazy, Minnesota got most of that money from the State, USF can't use public money so they have to raise it on their own. The biggest issue with this is, to do a top notch stadium like Baylor did would mean USF would have to start small and expand. I don't see USF building a 35,000 seat stadium knowing that they will have to expand it two, three times to get it to 70,000ish. The only way I see USF getting a large enough stadium on campus is to accept that they need to go the cheap rout and improve over time.

I hope USF does do this, college football needs to be played on campus.

And to add to this, building stadiums is getting more expensive, not cheaper, so the longer they wait, the more......well you get the point.
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(09-06-2014 06:23 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I will answer your question because I hope is not just another UCF attendance smack. After I do I'm done with it.

We have had three losing seasons in a row that has killed much of the fan excitement.
You then add a struggle vs an FCS team in game 1
Add a game scheduled at 3:30 pm in the full heat of Florida and you will get what you saw today. The end that faces the tv is always the least attended and in full sun in afternoon games.
We probably had between 20-25k in actual attendance spread out in stadium.

Attendance will NOT improve dramatically this year. We need to win and build for future years.

Afternoon games will not be attended well in the full heat.

That's it that's my explanation. I'm done and have no interest in debating it.

Good luck to you guys next week in Mizzouri

Great explanation, Cuban. Fans are down on the program and a game against a sub-par P5 team isn't suddenly going to cause 50,000 to come out to sweltering RJS. It is what it is right now.

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RE: USF fans got a question
(09-07-2014 09:00 AM)DiamondKnight Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 08:48 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 12:28 AM)Jimmy Wrote:  On-campus stadium. USF could have committed to it in the late 1990s but Leavitt thought the Bucs' digs would be a good recruiting tool and preferred to work in those trailers on campus. USF built some Greek houses and expanded the softball/baseball complex instead of placing a stadium in Temple Terrace. Shame, too, as that would be a great location to bring people in.

Agree...and I think more and more USF fans are slowly beginning to realize that ANY on-campus stadium (even if similar to BHNS) would help attract more students to games...which in turn increases the chances that they become alumni season tix holders and/or even boosters.

The comments by a few that only want a $300 Million (probably would cost $400 Million plus in the near future) like what Minnesota or Baylor just put up is just a pipe dream...and that pipe is broken.

USF has to get back to reality...maybe look at how Houston built their new 40,000 seat, $120 Million stadium (even though most seats are bleachers), as they would help them culture a lot new fans vs playing in front of 50,000 empty seats at some off-campus football stadium.

Also, just like almost every other school that has 50-90 plus year old stadiums...they are constantly renovated...but one has to get one built before it can be renovated.

to think USF could do a Minnesota stadium is crazy, Minnesota got most of that money from the State, USF can't use public money so they have to raise it on their own. The biggest issue with this is, to do a top notch stadium like Baylor did would mean USF would have to start small and expand. I don't see USF building a 35,000 seat stadium knowing that they will have to expand it two, three times to get it to 70,000ish. The only way I see USF getting a large enough stadium on campus is to accept that they need to go the cheap rout and improve over time.

I hope USF does do this, college football needs to be played on campus.

You won't find many "young" programs (heck, even 100 plus year old programs) building new 70,000 seat stadiums...as the new trend (for those that haven't had on-campus stadiums or replacing old ones like Stanford, Minnesota, Baylor, etc...), is that they are building SMALLER stadiums with more high revenue amenities.
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RE: USF fans got a question
USF's program would skyrocket with an OCS. I think most USF fans agree, but leadership and finances may be the issue. Anyways.. good luck.
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Winning solves damn near every problem. USF will be fine.

Not every school has the benefit of a fan base like ECU that seem to come out pretty well win or lose.
I predict even at ECU that could change with the added TV coverage. For decades our fans had to go to Greenville if they wanted to see the games. I expect attendance will suffer more now if we go into a nose dive.
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RE: USF fans got a question
(09-07-2014 09:38 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  USF's program would skyrocket with an OCS. I think most USF fans agree, but leadership and finances may be the issue. Anyways.. good luck.

While an on-campus stadium would help in many ways...there is zero guarantee that any program, would automatically "skyrocket" with one (if they didn't have one before).
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RE: USF fans got a question
I think this thread should be renamed to " UCF fans I have a question about USF"

Funny how all the Knight fans have the answers to our program
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RE: USF fans got a question
(09-07-2014 10:02 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I think this thread should be renamed to " UCF fans I have a question about USF"

Funny how all the Knight fans have the answers to our program

Just expressing MY OWN opinion. You should try it, instead of riding other's coattails, or criticizing. Just saying...
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RE: USF fans got a question
(09-07-2014 10:09 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 10:02 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I think this thread should be renamed to " UCF fans I have a question about USF"

Funny how all the Knight fans have the answers to our program

Just expressing MY OWN opinion. You should try it, instead of riding other's coattails, or criticizing. Just saying...

Criticizing? Not just pointing out what's happening on this thread. Just funny to hear. It would be like a question regarding UCF athletics and a then a bunch of USF fans jumping in like they have all the answers.
Amusing. Carry on 04-cheers
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Another in what will be endless pissing matches between USF and UCF.
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RE: USF fans got a question
(09-07-2014 10:12 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 10:09 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 10:02 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I think this thread should be renamed to " UCF fans I have a question about USF"

Funny how all the Knight fans have the answers to our program

Just expressing MY OWN opinion. You should try it, instead of riding other's coattails, or criticizing. Just saying...

Criticizing? Not just pointing out what's happening on this thread. Just funny to hear. It would be like a question regarding UCF athletics and a then a bunch of USF fans jumping in like they have all the answers.
Amusing. Carry on 04-cheers

Yep, USF nevers jumps into a UCF thread....ever!! LOL Whatever CubanBull. 04-bow
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RE: USF fans got a question
(09-07-2014 10:02 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I think this thread should be renamed to " UCF fans I have a question about USF"

Funny how all the Knight fans have the answers to our program

Actually some good conversation by many in this thread...sorry you didn't want to stay engaged.
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RE: USF fans got a question
(09-07-2014 10:15 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 10:12 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 10:09 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 10:02 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I think this thread should be renamed to " UCF fans I have a question about USF"

Funny how all the Knight fans have the answers to our program

Just expressing MY OWN opinion. You should try it, instead of riding other's coattails, or criticizing. Just saying...

Criticizing? Not just pointing out what's happening on this thread. Just funny to hear. It would be like a question regarding UCF athletics and a then a bunch of USF fans jumping in like they have all the answers.
Amusing. Carry on 04-cheers

Yep, USF nevers jumps into a UCF thread....ever!! LOL Whatever CubanBull. 04-bow

I never said that it never so happens but take a look at all the USF threads here and see who jumps often and with both feet. Now compare that to the UCF threads.

As I said amusing because none of those postings really knows whats happening with USF. Specially when I read the dribble like Leavitt turned down an OCS or that USF won't build a stadium unless is 300 million crap. It's total nonsense.
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(09-07-2014 10:19 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  .... or that USF won't build a stadium unless is 300 million crap. It's total nonsense.

There have been dozens and dozens and dozens of post made of the above...on multiple sites...as thats what MANY at USF think they will do and/or want.

Sorry for bringing in reality and mentioning options (ala what Houston just did), as most, in this day an age (i.e. USF is now a member of the AAC), USF doesn't need a 50,000 seat, $250 Million - $300 Million plus on-campus stadium.

USF now has some pretty good leadership at the AD position...so I wouldn't be surprised over the next year or two for him to give some new plans/wants for USF's football future.
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(09-07-2014 10:25 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 10:19 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  .... or that USF won't build a stadium unless is 300 million crap. It's total nonsense.

There have been dozens and dozens and dozens of post made of the above...on multiple sites...as thats what MANY at USF think they will do and/or want.

Sorry for bringing in reality and mentioning options (ala what Houston just did), as most, in this day an age (i.e. USF is now a member of the AAC), USF doesn't need a 50,000 seat, $250 Million - $300 Million plus on-campus stadium.

USF now has some pretty good leadership at the AD position...so I wouldn't be surprised over the next year or two for him to give some new plans/wants for USF's football future.

LOL posts by who? People in the Bullspen? Has any official from USF ever said that?
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(09-07-2014 10:27 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 10:25 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 10:19 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  .... or that USF won't build a stadium unless is 300 million crap. It's total nonsense.

There have been dozens and dozens and dozens of post made of the above...on multiple sites...as thats what MANY at USF think they will do and/or want.

Sorry for bringing in reality and mentioning options (ala what Houston just did), as most, in this day an age (i.e. USF is now a member of the AAC), USF doesn't need a 50,000 seat, $250 Million - $300 Million plus on-campus stadium.

USF now has some pretty good leadership at the AD position...so I wouldn't be surprised over the next year or two for him to give some new plans/wants for USF's football future.

LOL posts by who?

BullsFaninTX made a good post on this sitenot too long ago...where he noting the same thing and even mentioned a solution:

USF has always said they are not building an OCS until they can build a Minnesota type stadium due to having RJS to play in. I am starting to wonder if USF shouldn't consider just getting one built, even if not perfect. A 45-50K Houston type stadium would look great on USF's campus and could be built very reasonably pricewise.
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(09-07-2014 11:13 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 10:27 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 10:25 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 10:19 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  .... or that USF won't build a stadium unless is 300 million crap. It's total nonsense.

There have been dozens and dozens and dozens of post made of the above...on multiple sites...as thats what MANY at USF think they will do and/or want.

Sorry for bringing in reality and mentioning options (ala what Houston just did), as most, in this day an age (i.e. USF is now a member of the AAC), USF doesn't need a 50,000 seat, $250 Million - $300 Million plus on-campus stadium.

USF now has some pretty good leadership at the AD position...so I wouldn't be surprised over the next year or two for him to give some new plans/wants for USF's football future.

LOL posts by who?

BullsFaninTX made a good post on this sitenot too long ago...where he noting the same thing and even mentioned a solution:

USF has always said they are not building an OCS until they can build a Minnesota type stadium due to having RJS to play in. I am starting to wonder if USF shouldn't consider just getting one built, even if not perfect. A 45-50K Houston type stadium would look great on USF's campus and could be built very reasonably pricewise.

Whoops. There it is! Sorry, couldn't resist. LOL
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RE: USF fans got a question
(09-07-2014 10:02 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I think this thread should be renamed to " UCF fans I have a question about USF"

Funny how all the Knight fans have the answers to our program

Do you know what a Diamond Knight is? I have been around UCF's program since the 70's and seen UCF make practically every mistake a program could make along the way. Most UCF longtime fans could and should give USF advice on their program, we've been through just about every up and down a growing program could go through.
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(09-07-2014 11:13 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 10:27 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 10:25 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 10:19 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  .... or that USF won't build a stadium unless is 300 million crap. It's total nonsense.

There have been dozens and dozens and dozens of post made of the above...on multiple sites...as thats what MANY at USF think they will do and/or want.

Sorry for bringing in reality and mentioning options (ala what Houston just did), as most, in this day an age (i.e. USF is now a member of the AAC), USF doesn't need a 50,000 seat, $250 Million - $300 Million plus on-campus stadium.

USF now has some pretty good leadership at the AD position...so I wouldn't be surprised over the next year or two for him to give some new plans/wants for USF's football future.

LOL posts by who?

BullsFaninTX made a good post on this sitenot too long ago...where he noting the same thing and even mentioned a solution:

USF has always said they are not building an OCS until they can build a Minnesota type stadium due to having RJS to play in. I am starting to wonder if USF shouldn't consider just getting one built, even if not perfect. A 45-50K Houston type stadium would look great on USF's campus and could be built very reasonably pricewise.

And who is he? Does he speak with or is part of the Athletics Administration?

I will give you a little real history about USF athletics
When football was approved and started USF had zero facilities which is why we had trailers to house the football offices in addition ALL of our other sports facilities were neglected and well below division 1 standards. Paying in RJS an NFL stadium was a fantastic facility for USF
2003 USF accepts Big East invite. The league told USF that they had to upgrade ALL sports facilities. Football at RJS was at the time the best facility of all sports.
2004 USF builds the LRS Athletic Facility at a cost of 15 million
The league is NOT happy that USF then seats for years without upgrading facilities promised when they entered league.
2009 approval of 33.5 million to build new soccer stadium,baseball,softball, basketball practice facilities and football fields approved. Completed 2011
June 2011 approval to renovate Sun Dome at a cost of 35.6 million finished in 2012
September of 2011 Cuse and Pitt bail out and Big East starts final implosion.

So here are the facts. There was NO WAY that USF could build an OCS BEFORE upgrading all the other sports facilities that they had promised the league. This is why some might have heard the 300 million OCS line because we COULDNT build one even at a cheaper rate and jump the other sports in doing so.

Now we move to current times football crashes with three straight losing seasons but team was starting to drop after 2007 and attendance plummets from a high of 44716 actual attendance according to TSA in 2007 to a low of 20379 last year. We might be lower or close to that this year and now we are in the AAC and outside of BCS a big let down for our young fan base not used to struggles.

In comes Harlan( Thank God) to replace our old AD which really was in retiring mode since he arrived at USF.

Now with all of our sports upgraded in facilities an OCS might be considered in the future. One like what Houston built is most probable. The 300 million is never going to happen. But before that here is what Harlan is doing.
1. Build a competitive product on the field
2. Increase studen attendance by providing transportation and incentives
3. Work on the season ticket holders that are bypassing the game. Bring them back on board.
4. Take into account that having a big stadium like RJS has allowed USF to sign home visits from schools like FSU that wouldn't do that in a 45k OCS.

With that said USF Athletics are not moving on an OCS until the 4 points above are taken into account and improved.
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RE: USF fans got a question
(09-07-2014 11:30 AM)DiamondKnight Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 10:02 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I think this thread should be renamed to " UCF fans I have a question about USF"

Funny how all the Knight fans have the answers to our program

Do you know what a Diamond Knight is? I have been around UCF's program since the 70's and seen UCF make practically every mistake a program could make along the way. Most UCF longtime fans could and should give USF advice on their program, we've been through just about every up and down a growing program could go through.

I'm sure you know full well what UCF has gone thru and that's why I wouldn't debate you telling me what UCF should do. USF is not exactly in the same position that UCF was with regards to conferences, athletic facilities nor Citrus Bowl vs RJS. See my post above.
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