After week 8, I rank them as follows:

1. Florida State
2. Mississippi State
3. Auburn
4. Mississippi
5. Alabama

6. Texas Christian
7. Arizona
8. Oregon
9. Georgia
10. Michigan State

11. Clemson
12. Notre Dame
13. West Virginia
14. Kansas State
15. Louisiana State

16. Baylor
17. East Carolina
18. Nebraska
19. Ohio State
20. Arizona State

21. Southern California
22. Oklahoma State
23. Oklahoma
24. Maryland
25. Utah

26. UCLA
27. Missouri
28. Stanford
29. Louisville
30. Marshall

I see you finally gave up on Texas A&M
I said after the Mississippi State game they didn't look anywhere close to a top 25 team

Putting Ohio State at 19 shows how laughable this ranking is. They are playing like a top five team

(10-19-2014 09:35 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  I see you finally gave up on Texas A&M
I said after the Mississippi State game they didn't look anywhere close to a top 25 team

Putting Ohio State at 19 shows how laughable this ranking is. They are playing like a top five team

Hello,

Playing like a top 5 team does not make you a top five team.

Ohio State is 5 and 1:

Navy
Kent State
Cincinnati
Maryland
Rutgers

With a loss to Va Tech.


Navy has other loses to Rutgers, Western Kentucky and Air Force
Kent State is 1 and 5, the win was against Army
Cincinnati has other loses to Memphis and Miami

Maryland only other loss was to West Virginia; their four wins are against James Madison, Syracuse, Indiana and Iowa

Rutgers wins were against Washington State, Howard, Navy, Tulane and Michigan; but also lost to Penn State. Penn State lost to Michigan

So Ohio State has to beat Michigan State and Minnesota to even be considered to be in the top 10.

So if my rankings are laughable, how would you rank Ohio State in the top 25 and why?

How do you rank them this week?

Right now I would put them anywhere from 8 to 12

Put that same logic on a number of teams you ranked ahead of them

After week 9, I rank them as follows:

1. Florida State
2. Mississippi State
3. Auburn
4. Alabama
5. Texas Christian

6. Arizona
7. Oregon
8. Georgia
9. Michigan State
10. Clemson

11. Notre Dame
12. West Virginia
13. Kansas State
14. Louisiana State
15. Mississippi

16. Baylor
17. East Carolina
18. Nebraska
19. Arizona State
20. Oklahoma

21. Utah
22. Ohio State
23. Missouri
24. Stanford
25. UCLA

26. Louisville
27. Marshall
28. Wisconsin
29. Oklahoma State
30. Boise State

After week 10, I rank them as follows:

1. Florida State
2. Mississippi State
3. Auburn
4. Alabama
5. Texas Christian

6. Oregon
7. Michigan State
8. Clemson
9. Notre Dame
10. Kansas State

11. Louisiana State
12. Mississippi
13. Oklahoma
14. West Virginia
15. Baylor

16. Nebraska
17. Arizona State
18. Utah
19. Ohio State
20. Missouri

21. UCLA
22. Louisville
23. Marshall
24. Wisconsin
25. Arizona

I think Arizona State is getting short shrift in the polls. ASU's wins include USC, Utah, Stanford, and there only loss was a game in which their 3-year starting QB (2nd Team All-Pac 12, ahead of Hundley last year) missed his first game, and a kid had to step in to make his first start.

Consequently, Michigan St's 3 best wins are Nebraska, Indiana, and Michigan -- yep, those are really their three best wins.

And Notre Dame's BEST win is Stanford (who they got bailed out against late, and ASU handled easily). Their other three best wins are Syracuse, North Carolina, and Navy. Yep, that's who they've beat.

I've long grown accustomed to the disrespect ASU gets nationally (Deadspin had a Regressor stat analysis last week that quantifiably "proved" that ASU is consistently the most under-ranked team in the nation), but I'm scratching my head at how people can rank ND and MSU over them based on anything other than brand equity and antiquated thinking.

(11-03-2014 02:58 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  I think Arizona State is getting short shrift in the polls. ASU's wins include USC, Utah, Stanford, and there only loss was a game in which their 3-year starting QB (2nd Team All-Pac 12, ahead of Hundley last year) missed his first game, and a kid had to step in to make his first start.

Consequently, Michigan St's 3 best wins are Nebraska, Indiana, and Michigan -- yep, those are really their three best wins.

And Notre Dame's BEST win is Stanford (who they got bailed out against late, and ASU handled easily). Their other three best wins are Syracuse, North Carolina, and Navy. Yep, that's who they've beat.

I've long grown accustomed to the disrespect ASU gets nationally (Deadspin had a Regressor stat analysis last week that quantifiably "proved" that ASU is consistently the most under-ranked team in the nation), but I'm scratching my head at how people can rank ND and MSU over them based on anything other than brand equity and antiquated thinking.

You called it.

(11-03-2014 02:58 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  I think Arizona State is getting short shrift in the polls. ASU's wins include USC, Utah, Stanford, and there only loss was a game in which their 3-year starting QB (2nd Team All-Pac 12, ahead of Hundley last year) missed his first game, and a kid had to step in to make his first start.

Consequently, Michigan St's 3 best wins are Nebraska, Indiana, and Michigan -- yep, those are really their three best wins.

And Notre Dame's BEST win is Stanford (who they got bailed out against late, and ASU handled easily). Their other three best wins are Syracuse, North Carolina, and Navy. Yep, that's who they've beat.

I've long grown accustomed to the disrespect ASU gets nationally (Deadspin had a Regressor stat analysis last week that quantifiably "proved" that ASU is consistently the most under-ranked team in the nation), but I'm scratching my head at how people can rank ND and MSU over them based on anything other than brand equity and antiquated thinking.

I think the Pac 12 tends to get under-rated, but when you lose 62-27, your complaints about being under-rated fall on deaf ears.

After week 11, I rank them as follows:

1. Florida State
2. Mississippi State
3. Alabama
4. Texas Christian
5. Oregon

6. Louisiana State
7. Mississippi
8. Baylor
9. Clemson
10. Auburn

11. Kansas State
12. Arizona State
13. Nebraska
14. Ohio State
15. Oklahoma

16. West Virginia
17. Michigan State
18. Missouri
19. Notre Dame
20. UCLA

21. Louisville
22. Marshall
23. Wisconsin
24. Duke
25. Arizona

After Week 11, this is how I think the committee will rank them:

1.. Mississippi State 9-0
2.. Florida State 9-0
3.. Oregon 9-1
4.. Alabama 8-1
5.. TCU 8-1

6.. Arizona State 8-1
7.. Baylor 8-1
8.. Ohio State 8-1
9.. Nebraska 8-1
10.Auburn 7-2

11. Ole Miss 8-2
12. Kansas State 7-2
13. UCLA 8-2
14. Arizona 7-2
15. Georgia 7-2

16. Notre Dame 7-2
17. Clemson 7-2
18. Wisconsin 7-2
19. Duke 8-1
20. Michigan State 7-2

21. Georgia Tech 8-2
22. LSU 7-3
23. Oklahoma 6-3
24. Marshall 9-0
25. Missouri 7-2


I believe that the CFP committee will make conference championships one of its highest criteria. So far, they have not been able to factor that into their rankings because conference standings have been too murky. I believe they are now at a point where they can essentially set up "elimination games".

Unless chaos ensues (and if it can, it probably will), I think the top nine teams are still in contention for a playoff spot. One from the ACC, and two each from the four other P5 conferences. I believe the committee has conceded the ACC spot, if there is to be one, to Florida State. I don't think any other ACC team could climb that high even by beating the Noles.

Though they say they don't rate conferences, I think they would (at least subconsciously) value an SEC champ over the PAC 12 champ if they have the same number of losses (criterion #2). It looks to me like their conference pecking order is SEC, PAC 12, Big 12, B!G, and ACC.

They may wait until the bitter end before inserting a G5 school into their top 25, but it is getting harder IMO for them to ignore an unbeaten Marshall, even if they don't think they are the best G5 team. It would be uncomfortable for them, IMO, to rank Colorado State ahead of Marshall after Week 15 if the Rams go 11-1 but don't win their conference title. I think they would want whoever gets the access bowl slot to be the highest ranked G5 team, not just champion.

(11-09-2014 11:26 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  After week 11, I rank them as follows:

1. Florida State
2. Mississippi State
3. Alabama
4. Texas Christian
5. Oregon

6. Louisiana State
7. Mississippi
8. Baylor
9. Clemson
10. Auburn

11. Kansas State
12. Arizona State
13. Nebraska
14. Ohio State
15. Oklahoma

16. West Virginia
17. Michigan State
18. Missouri
19. Notre Dame
20. UCLA

21. Louisville
22. Marshall
23. Wisconsin
24. Duke
25. Arizona

Clemson top 10???
Arizona State only 12?

Please explain

(11-09-2014 11:18 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-03-2014 02:58 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  I think Arizona State is getting short shrift in the polls. ASU's wins include USC, Utah, Stanford, and there only loss was a game in which their 3-year starting QB (2nd Team All-Pac 12, ahead of Hundley last year) missed his first game, and a kid had to step in to make his first start.

Consequently, Michigan St's 3 best wins are Nebraska, Indiana, and Michigan -- yep, those are really their three best wins.

And Notre Dame's BEST win is Stanford (who they got bailed out against late, and ASU handled easily). Their other three best wins are Syracuse, North Carolina, and Navy. Yep, that's who they've beat.

I've long grown accustomed to the disrespect ASU gets nationally (Deadspin had a Regressor stat analysis last week that quantifiably "proved" that ASU is consistently the most under-ranked team in the nation), but I'm scratching my head at how people can rank ND and MSU over them based on anything other than brand equity and antiquated thinking.

I think the Pac 12 tends to get under-rated, but when you lose 62-27, your complaints about being under-rated fall on deaf ears.

I would say that talent wise, UCLA is equivalent to Ole Miss. Alabama lost to Ole Miss and has had some close calls against other opponents that they should have blown out.

Arizona State has that bad loss but puts everyone else down in strong fashion.

The point is that a program like Alabama gets far too much leeway while a program like Arizona State doesn't get the credit it deserves. I understand why that is the case but the point still stands that people aren't right when they think this way.

(11-10-2014 05:53 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 11:18 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-03-2014 02:58 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  I think Arizona State is getting short shrift in the polls. ASU's wins include USC, Utah, Stanford, and there only loss was a game in which their 3-year starting QB (2nd Team All-Pac 12, ahead of Hundley last year) missed his first game, and a kid had to step in to make his first start.

Consequently, Michigan St's 3 best wins are Nebraska, Indiana, and Michigan -- yep, those are really their three best wins.

And Notre Dame's BEST win is Stanford (who they got bailed out against late, and ASU handled easily). Their other three best wins are Syracuse, North Carolina, and Navy. Yep, that's who they've beat.

I've long grown accustomed to the disrespect ASU gets nationally (Deadspin had a Regressor stat analysis last week that quantifiably "proved" that ASU is consistently the most under-ranked team in the nation), but I'm scratching my head at how people can rank ND and MSU over them based on anything other than brand equity and antiquated thinking.

I think the Pac 12 tends to get under-rated, but when you lose 62-27, your complaints about being under-rated fall on deaf ears.

I would say that talent wise, UCLA is equivalent to Ole Miss. Alabama lost to Ole Miss and has had some close calls against other opponents that they should have blown out.

Arizona State has that bad loss but puts everyone else down in strong fashion.

The point is that a program like Alabama gets far too much leeway while a program like Arizona State doesn't get the credit it deserves. I understand why that is the case but the point still stands that people aren't right when they think this way.

I think this year that any of the top 12 or so teams could beat any of the others on any given day.

(11-10-2014 05:48 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 11:26 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  After week 11, I rank them as follows:

1. Florida State
2. Mississippi State
3. Alabama
4. Texas Christian
5. Oregon

6. Louisiana State
7. Mississippi
8. Baylor
9. Clemson
10. Auburn

11. Kansas State
12. Arizona State
13. Nebraska
14. Ohio State
15. Oklahoma

16. West Virginia
17. Michigan State
18. Missouri
19. Notre Dame
20. UCLA

21. Louisville
22. Marshall
23. Wisconsin
24. Duke
25. Arizona

Clemson top 10???
Arizona State only 12?

Please explain

Clemson has two losses, #1 FSU and to Georgia with Gurley

Arizona State wins against USC, Stanford and Notre Dame stack the deck but the 62 to 27 lost to UCLA has to be considered.

(11-10-2014 09:55 AM)ken d Wrote:  After Week 11, this is how I think the committee will rank them:

1.. Mississippi State 9-0
2.. Florida State 9-0
3.. Oregon 9-1
4.. Alabama 8-1
5.. TCU 8-1

6.. Arizona State 8-1
7.. Baylor 8-1
8.. Ohio State 8-1
9.. Nebraska 8-1
10.Auburn 7-2

11. Ole Miss 8-2
12. Kansas State 7-2
13. UCLA 8-2
14. Arizona 7-2
15. Georgia 7-2

16. Notre Dame 7-2
17. Clemson 7-2
18. Wisconsin 7-2
19. Duke 8-1
20. Michigan State 7-2

21. Georgia Tech 8-2
22. LSU 7-3
23. Oklahoma 6-3
24. Marshall 9-0
25. Missouri 7-2


I believe that the CFP committee will make conference championships one of its highest criteria. So far, they have not been able to factor that into their rankings because conference standings have been too murky. I believe they are now at a point where they can essentially set up "elimination games".

Unless chaos ensues (and if it can, it probably will), I think the top nine teams are still in contention for a playoff spot. One from the ACC, and two each from the four other P5 conferences. I believe the committee has conceded the ACC spot, if there is to be one, to Florida State. I don't think any other ACC team could climb that high even by beating the Noles.

Though they say they don't rate conferences, I think they would (at least subconsciously) value an SEC champ over the PAC 12 champ if they have the same number of losses (criterion #2). It looks to me like their conference pecking order is SEC, PAC 12, Big 12, B!G, and ACC.

They may wait until the bitter end before inserting a G5 school into their top 25, but it is getting harder IMO for them to ignore an unbeaten Marshall, even if they don't think they are the best G5 team. It would be uncomfortable for them, IMO, to rank Colorado State ahead of Marshall after Week 15 if the Rams go 11-1 but don't win their conference title. I think they would want whoever gets the access bowl slot to be the highest ranked G5 team, not just champion.

Why Nebraska so high?

(11-11-2014 10:19 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 09:55 AM)ken d Wrote:  After Week 11, this is how I think the committee will rank them:

1.. Mississippi State 9-0
2.. Florida State 9-0
3.. Oregon 9-1
4.. Alabama 8-1
5.. TCU 8-1

6.. Arizona State 8-1
7.. Baylor 8-1
8.. Ohio State 8-1
9.. Nebraska 8-1
10.Auburn 7-2

11. Ole Miss 8-2
12. Kansas State 7-2
13. UCLA 8-2
14. Arizona 7-2
15. Georgia 7-2

16. Notre Dame 7-2
17. Clemson 7-2
18. Wisconsin 7-2
19. Duke 8-1
20. Michigan State 7-2

21. Georgia Tech 8-2
22. LSU 7-3
23. Oklahoma 6-3
24. Marshall 9-0
25. Missouri 7-2


I believe that the CFP committee will make conference championships one of its highest criteria. So far, they have not been able to factor that into their rankings because conference standings have been too murky. I believe they are now at a point where they can essentially set up "elimination games".

Unless chaos ensues (and if it can, it probably will), I think the top nine teams are still in contention for a playoff spot. One from the ACC, and two each from the four other P5 conferences. I believe the committee has conceded the ACC spot, if there is to be one, to Florida State. I don't think any other ACC team could climb that high even by beating the Noles.

Though they say they don't rate conferences, I think they would (at least subconsciously) value an SEC champ over the PAC 12 champ if they have the same number of losses (criterion #2). It looks to me like their conference pecking order is SEC, PAC 12, Big 12, B!G, and ACC.

They may wait until the bitter end before inserting a G5 school into their top 25, but it is getting harder IMO for them to ignore an unbeaten Marshall, even if they don't think they are the best G5 team. It would be uncomfortable for them, IMO, to rank Colorado State ahead of Marshall after Week 15 if the Rams go 11-1 but don't win their conference title. I think they would want whoever gets the access bowl slot to be the highest ranked G5 team, not just champion.

Why Nebraska so high?

If you are looking at Nebraska's schedule, their only loss was by five to a pretty good Michigan State team. They don't have any showcase wins, but all of their wins, except McNeese State, have been by double digits. With Wisconsin, Minnesota and Iowa up next and a possible CCG, they will have opportunities to prove themselves. It may not be a strong schedule, but they have handled their business pretty well.

(11-11-2014 10:30 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 10:19 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 09:55 AM)ken d Wrote:  After Week 11, this is how I think the committee will rank them:

1.. Mississippi State 9-0
2.. Florida State 9-0
3.. Oregon 9-1
4.. Alabama 8-1
5.. TCU 8-1

6.. Arizona State 8-1
7.. Baylor 8-1
8.. Ohio State 8-1
9.. Nebraska 8-1
10.Auburn 7-2

11. Ole Miss 8-2
12. Kansas State 7-2
13. UCLA 8-2
14. Arizona 7-2
15. Georgia 7-2

16. Notre Dame 7-2
17. Clemson 7-2
18. Wisconsin 7-2
19. Duke 8-1
20. Michigan State 7-2

21. Georgia Tech 8-2
22. LSU 7-3
23. Oklahoma 6-3
24. Marshall 9-0
25. Missouri 7-2


I believe that the CFP committee will make conference championships one of its highest criteria. So far, they have not been able to factor that into their rankings because conference standings have been too murky. I believe they are now at a point where they can essentially set up "elimination games".

Unless chaos ensues (and if it can, it probably will), I think the top nine teams are still in contention for a playoff spot. One from the ACC, and two each from the four other P5 conferences. I believe the committee has conceded the ACC spot, if there is to be one, to Florida State. I don't think any other ACC team could climb that high even by beating the Noles.

Though they say they don't rate conferences, I think they would (at least subconsciously) value an SEC champ over the PAC 12 champ if they have the same number of losses (criterion #2). It looks to me like their conference pecking order is SEC, PAC 12, Big 12, B!G, and ACC.

They may wait until the bitter end before inserting a G5 school into their top 25, but it is getting harder IMO for them to ignore an unbeaten Marshall, even if they don't think they are the best G5 team. It would be uncomfortable for them, IMO, to rank Colorado State ahead of Marshall after Week 15 if the Rams go 11-1 but don't win their conference title. I think they would want whoever gets the access bowl slot to be the highest ranked G5 team, not just champion.

Why Nebraska so high?

If you are looking at Nebraska's schedule, their only loss was by five to a pretty good Michigan State team. They don't have any showcase wins, but all of their wins, except McNeese State, have been by double digits. With Wisconsin, Minnesota and Iowa up next and a possible CCG, they will have opportunities to prove themselves. It may not be a strong schedule, but they have handled their business pretty well.

Agreed. The Wisconsin game will determine if they are legit.

(11-11-2014 10:42 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 10:30 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 10:19 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 09:55 AM)ken d Wrote:  After Week 11, this is how I think the committee will rank them:

1.. Mississippi State 9-0
2.. Florida State 9-0
3.. Oregon 9-1
4.. Alabama 8-1
5.. TCU 8-1

6.. Arizona State 8-1
7.. Baylor 8-1
8.. Ohio State 8-1
9.. Nebraska 8-1
10.Auburn 7-2

11. Ole Miss 8-2
12. Kansas State 7-2
13. UCLA 8-2
14. Arizona 7-2
15. Georgia 7-2

16. Notre Dame 7-2
17. Clemson 7-2
18. Wisconsin 7-2
19. Duke 8-1
20. Michigan State 7-2

21. Georgia Tech 8-2
22. LSU 7-3
23. Oklahoma 6-3
24. Marshall 9-0
25. Missouri 7-2


I believe that the CFP committee will make conference championships one of its highest criteria. So far, they have not been able to factor that into their rankings because conference standings have been too murky. I believe they are now at a point where they can essentially set up "elimination games".

Unless chaos ensues (and if it can, it probably will), I think the top nine teams are still in contention for a playoff spot. One from the ACC, and two each from the four other P5 conferences. I believe the committee has conceded the ACC spot, if there is to be one, to Florida State. I don't think any other ACC team could climb that high even by beating the Noles.

Though they say they don't rate conferences, I think they would (at least subconsciously) value an SEC champ over the PAC 12 champ if they have the same number of losses (criterion #2). It looks to me like their conference pecking order is SEC, PAC 12, Big 12, B!G, and ACC.

They may wait until the bitter end before inserting a G5 school into their top 25, but it is getting harder IMO for them to ignore an unbeaten Marshall, even if they don't think they are the best G5 team. It would be uncomfortable for them, IMO, to rank Colorado State ahead of Marshall after Week 15 if the Rams go 11-1 but don't win their conference title. I think they would want whoever gets the access bowl slot to be the highest ranked G5 team, not just champion.

Why Nebraska so high?

If you are looking at Nebraska's schedule, their only loss was by five to a pretty good Michigan State team. They don't have any showcase wins, but all of their wins, except McNeese State, have been by double digits. With Wisconsin, Minnesota and Iowa up next and a possible CCG, they will have opportunities to prove themselves. It may not be a strong schedule, but they have handled their business pretty well.

Agreed. The Wisconsin game will determine if they are legit.

Nebraska was not legit.

After week 12, I rank them as follows:

1. Florida State
2. Alabama
3. Mississippi State
4. Texas Christian
5. Oregon

6. Mississippi
7. Baylor
8. Ohio State
9. Oklahoma
10. Georgia

11. Arizona State
12. Missouri
13. Kansas State
14. Michigan State
15. UCLA

16. Louisville
17. West Virginia
18. Arizona
19. Auburn
20. Wisconsin

21. Utah
22. Georgia Tech
23. Louisiana State
24. Texas A&M
25. South Carolina

26. Florida