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(08-26-2014 12:03 PM)hktribefan Wrote:  Here's the tribeathletics.com piece on the renovation:

http://www.tribeathletics.com/ViewArticl...M_ID=25100

On the Q&A it addresses endzone seating and says the plan is for that to still be available, thought it also says that total capacity would only be a slight increase, if at all. Based on the artist rendering and the plans that surfaced awhile ago I don't see how there isn't a growth of 2,500-3,000 in total capacity. I guess in some circles that is only a slight increase, but a little over a 20% increase for Zable seems considerable to me.

As I understand it; we will add about 3,000 seats on the new upper deck stands; HOWEVER, we will lose about 3,000 seats in the old, currently existing East and West Stands. Federal regulations apparently require that the seats be wider than they are in the present stadium, [so, fewer seats in the existing space] also, the steps/aisle going up will be made wider and will include handrails in the middle of the aisles for safety. [resulting in less space for seats] At the meeting, Driscoll stated that they cold not provide "final numbers" re the number of seats until the architectural plans were finalized.
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I forgot about the need to widen the seats to comply with whatever rule governs seat width. Makes sense that final number will not be finalized until all the designs are finished and such. My money would be that we pick up 1500-2000 seats when all is said and done, but who knows. I like that this has been announced and that it's finally happening.
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I suspect endzone seats will be erected as needed (JMU, UR, and UD). Either way, the artist rendering looks absolutely beautiful.

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New concessions? What will they do with the pretzels they bought in 1998 but haven't sold yet?
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This looks FANTASTIC! Will it change the practice fields?
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There's a clearing and service road right behind the stands.

And, Rocco, try to be positive for a change...it's a better path through life.

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Looks very nice. Always a nice place to catch a game in the Fall.

http://hamptonroads.com/2014/08/william-...renovation
08-26-2014 01:30 PM
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Has there been an analysis in how the change in wind patterns could adversely affect the flight of flying discs, thereby making it more difficult for dogs to retrieve said discs in flight?
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(08-26-2014 01:17 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  This looks FANTASTIC! Will it change the practice fields?

No it will not change the practice field in any way.
There is a road now that runs from the infirmary parking lot to behind the west side .
These pictures look fantastic and what a beautiful addition it will be to the campus.
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(08-26-2014 01:41 PM)Dukie95 Wrote:  Has there been an analysis in how the change in wind patterns could adversely affect the flight of flying discs, thereby making it more difficult for dogs to retrieve said discs in flight?

Yes, and we're pleased to report our subjects, JMU cheerleaders, had almost no trouble retrieving discs in flight. They did look rather confused when we didn't give them course credit for their participation.
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Put together a bunch of pictures of the new stadium drawings in case anyone hasn't seen it:

http://wmsportsblog.com/2014/08/26/zable...novations/
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I haven't seen it addressed anywhere, but I assume the team will play the 2015 season without any problems. My guess is it will be a two phase project, similar to how A&M is redoing Kyle Field over two offseasons while the team plays uninterrupted (albeit on a much smaller scale!).
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Looks wonderful and will present an attractive look from campus and from Richmond Road.
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(08-26-2014 12:37 PM)62Indian Wrote:  
(08-26-2014 12:03 PM)hktribefan Wrote:  Here's the tribeathletics.com piece on the renovation:

http://www.tribeathletics.com/ViewArticl...M_ID=25100

On the Q&A it addresses endzone seating and says the plan is for that to still be available, thought it also says that total capacity would only be a slight increase, if at all. Based on the artist rendering and the plans that surfaced awhile ago I don't see how there isn't a growth of 2,500-3,000 in total capacity. I guess in some circles that is only a slight increase, but a little over a 20% increase for Zable seems considerable to me.

As I understand it; we will add about 3,000 seats on the new upper deck stands; HOWEVER, we will lose about 3,000 seats in the old, currently existing East and West Stands. Federal regulations apparently require that the seats be wider than they are in the present stadium, [so, fewer seats in the existing space] also, the steps/aisle going up will be made wider and will include handrails in the middle of the aisles for safety. [resulting in less space for seats] At the meeting, Driscoll stated that they cold not provide "final numbers" re the number of seats until the architectural plans were finalized.

Well, the last feedback you provided a month or two ago didn't even mention the upper deck, just the new press box and fan boxes.

With 3,000 NEW seats in the upper deck (plus new boxes) there is no way capacity stays the same. They might widen the aisles, they may widen the seats - but the rendition shows the same sections the stadium currently has. By my math, they would have to cut about 200 seats per section (about 40%!) to keep it at today's capacity.

The issue is the end zone seats which I am confident they will retain. It is too locked in as part of the overall environment to shed. Maybe smaller on the south side but overall, we will be between 14,000 and 15,000 capacity when finished.
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(08-26-2014 06:34 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(08-26-2014 12:37 PM)62Indian Wrote:  
(08-26-2014 12:03 PM)hktribefan Wrote:  Here's the tribeathletics.com piece on the renovation:

http://www.tribeathletics.com/ViewArticl...M_ID=25100

On the Q&A it addresses endzone seating and says the plan is for that to still be available, thought it also says that total capacity would only be a slight increase, if at all. Based on the artist rendering and the plans that surfaced awhile ago I don't see how there isn't a growth of 2,500-3,000 in total capacity. I guess in some circles that is only a slight increase, but a little over a 20% increase for Zable seems considerable to me.

As I understand it; we will add about 3,000 seats on the new upper deck stands; HOWEVER, we will lose about 3,000 seats in the old, currently existing East and West Stands. Federal regulations apparently require that the seats be wider than they are in the present stadium, [so, fewer seats in the existing space] also, the steps/aisle going up will be made wider and will include handrails in the middle of the aisles for safety. [resulting in less space for seats] At the meeting, Driscoll stated that they cold not provide "final numbers" re the number of seats until the architectural plans were finalized.

Well, the last feedback you provided a month or two ago didn't even mention the upper deck, just the new press box and fan boxes.

With 3,000 NEW seats in the upper deck (plus new boxes) there is no way capacity stays the same. They might widen the aisles, they may widen the seats - but the rendition shows the same sections the stadium currently has. By my math, they would have to cut about 200 seats per section (about 40%!) to keep it at today's capacity.

The issue is the end zone seats which I am confident they will retain. It is too locked in as part of the overall environment to shed. Maybe smaller on the south side but overall, we will be between 14,000 and 15,000 capacity when finished.

Make sure you have expressed your opinion on end zone seating to Terry Driscoll and Bobby Dwyer. Do it by email and include your name. At the meeting to gain feedback Terry said the following.

"I've had someone say that they wished their view of the architecture of Zable was unimpeded by the endzone seating"

This is what we are dealing with. Leave nothing to chance.
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My family and I have had the Family Plan in the north endzone for several years. The school should know by now that my boys won't sit still in fixed seats. Many QB Club guys also sit near me and I've developed lots of relationships with families on the north side. I'm writing Driscoll right now.
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Way to go Tribe....very classy!!!
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Front Page of the Daily Press Sports pages today: 12,259 is Zable Stadium capacity, "which will not be significently impacted by renovations". This is a direct quote from W&M Press Release.

However, a potentially ominious statement in the body of the Press Release; "the renovation will increase the number of PERMANENT SEATS between the 30 yard lines" [wonder what they mean by "permanent seats"?]

At the meetings held earlier in the summer to discuss the planned renovations there were no plans or drawings presented - the concept of an "Upper Deck" as pictured was never discussed . I left the meeting with the concept of the West Stands being extended behind the existing stands with the Press and VIP boxes on the top of the extended stands.

I do like the concept and "looks" of the new plans as presented.
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In a perfect world, the track is removed, the current structure is razed, and a totally new structure goes up in its place at the same site.

Having said that, a couple of thoughts:

1) Very nice!
2) Renovation is the term, and not expansion (very clever)
3) Private money (always a good thing)
4) Tribe football has locked down a central part of campus, and secured a commitment that will be very hard to dis-lodge from those that hate the sport.
5) The west stands are the first interior thing that one sees from Richmond Road, and this should be very impressive.
6) Acoustics. The deck should trap some noise, and make it a louder place. Remains to be seen as to how loud, and where the noise comes from that is trapped. For instance, should the students and the band be under the deck, across from the deck, etc. (I know they're staying on the other side, but...)
7) The interior facade of the upper deck presents an opportunity. Ribbon boards or a permanent sign / signs? Various stadiums have different ideas. Personally, I would love a permanent "Alma Mater of a Nation" on the facade that would be present year-round, with perhaps the names of the three alumni who are US Presidents.
8) Television angles. With the deck, need to get a camera(s) on the east side looking west.
9) Count me in as one of those who wants to keep the end zone stands. Who is that person who told the AD that the stands block the view of the architecture? Change that person's seat to the upper deck so that person has an unobstructed view of all of the architecture that the person wants to see! Geez!

Exciting time!

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I don't think we'll really have a sense of what the numbers will be until the seating plan is released. If they adjust the width of the current seats that will affect things as will the endzone seating. The FAQ's say that currently the plan is for endzone seating to be available, but the extent will be determined by the seating plan. The other thing I've come to realize is that artist renditions almost never look anything like the finished product. I really like the artist rendition, so hopefully it's not a drastic change, but the bottom line is that for actual capacity we won't know for awhile.
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