(08-22-2014 03:57 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 03:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 03:39 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 03:26 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  People keep using this word "equality," it isn't being used correctly.

They want to redefine marriage then let them attempt to the democratic way. I have no problem accepting that.

As it is, this whole thing is about degenerates that hate the society that rejected them getting even.

It's all rather childish and we as a society suffer.

You mean like let the masses vote like they did in California.

Anyone remember how the vote turned out and then what happened next? I do.. The proposition did not pass and instead of waiting and trying again, they went to the Supreme Court.

Not trying to shove it down anyone's throat.. No that is.. Again, open the Pandora Box and when it's wide open, you cannot blame anyone but yourself.

If 50% + 1 can remove someone's basic rights via referendum, then effectively no one has any rights.

So wait, we vote on something, don't get what we like, we can challenge it.

Well in that case, I want to call in the last two presidential elections, I didn't get the results I wanted.

What people want, and whats constitutional, are not always the same.

(08-22-2014 03:58 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 03:57 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 03:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 03:39 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 03:26 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  People keep using this word "equality," it isn't being used correctly.

They want to redefine marriage then let them attempt to the democratic way. I have no problem accepting that.

As it is, this whole thing is about degenerates that hate the society that rejected them getting even.

It's all rather childish and we as a society suffer.

You mean like let the masses vote like they did in California.

Anyone remember how the vote turned out and then what happened next? I do.. The proposition did not pass and instead of waiting and trying again, they went to the Supreme Court.

Not trying to shove it down anyone's throat.. No that is.. Again, open the Pandora Box and when it's wide open, you cannot blame anyone but yourself.

If 50% + 1 can remove someone's basic rights via referendum, then effectively no one has any rights.

So wait, we vote on something, don't get what we like, we can challenge it.

Well in that case, I want to call in the last two presidential elections, I didn't get the results I wanted.

What people want, and whats constitutional, are not always the same.

Nope. Ya boy just said if I don't like it, I can take it to court.

(08-22-2014 04:00 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 03:58 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 03:57 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 03:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 03:39 PM)gdunn Wrote:  You mean like let the masses vote like they did in California.

Anyone remember how the vote turned out and then what happened next? I do.. The proposition did not pass and instead of waiting and trying again, they went to the Supreme Court.

Not trying to shove it down anyone's throat.. No that is.. Again, open the Pandora Box and when it's wide open, you cannot blame anyone but yourself.

If 50% + 1 can remove someone's basic rights via referendum, then effectively no one has any rights.

So wait, we vote on something, don't get what we like, we can challenge it.

Well in that case, I want to call in the last two presidential elections, I didn't get the results I wanted.

What people want, and whats constitutional, are not always the same.

Nope. Ya boy just said if I don't like it, I can take it to court.

And? Taking something to court doesn't mean you've won...that's up to the court.

All the injustice and problems in the world and Americans are consumed with this made up inequality. What a sign of the morale collapse in the US.

Pitiful

(08-22-2014 04:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  All the injustice and problems in the world and Americans are consumed with this made up inequality. What a sign of the morale collapse in the US.

Pitiful

^ ^ THIS ^ ^

(08-22-2014 04:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  All the injustice and problems in the world and Americans are consumed with this made up inequality. What a sign of the morale collapse in the US.

Pitiful

+1
This has never been about inequality. This is been about forcing accepting of lifestyles on people. But we only have ourselves to blame. People bent over backwards to be accommodating and now they are being broken in half.

(08-22-2014 03:52 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 03:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 03:16 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 02:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 01:54 PM)gdunn Wrote:  You got links to back that up?

Sure...here's the case from Newton MS. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/01...20036.html

Transgender case from Itawamba, the same year as the Candace McMillian episode... http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive...in-january

Moss Point school case http://blog.gulflive.com/mississippi-pre..._harr.html

Mississippi Ag Center case http://www.clarionledger.com/article/201...105150001/

Hattiesburg Deputy Fired for being Gay and the victim of a crime http://www.sgn.org/sgnnews38_43/mobile/page17.cfm

Want more?

Huffpost-- Same magazine that earlier this week confused ear plugs for rubber bullets.

SLOG? WTF is that, is that a blog?

Moss point case-- That's easy.. That's stupidity on the teacher not the state.

The Ag Museum.. Gay marriage is not legal in MS, so the Ag Museum, which is funded by the state, won't allow a ceremony that's not legal.

The SGN, really what is Seattle's fascination with Mississippi..

Funny how none of these are on CNN, MSNBC, or even the Daily Show.

Yea, laugh at the Huff Post all you will, but more people read it everyday than live in Mississippi. The article is dead on accurate. And Newton, MS is going to lose that case - hard and will end up paying the SPLC a ton of money in legal fees. But how about the case at hand. Town allows straight bars but not one owned by a Gay person? How is that fair or even economically smart?

If you want to know what set Candace McMillian off, it was the transgendered case in Itawamba in January. That case, which sadly was not pursued due to the fact that the child's guardian feared for her SAFETY, was that the public schools of Itawamba County barred all education for transgendered students complying with the medical and psychologically correct advice as to how to comport oneself if one is Transgendered.

The Moss Point case also involved a refusal by some 'religious' school administrator to protect the student. And insults by those adminstrators to the victim of the bullying. Moss Point will also be paying the SPLC some legal fees.

So the state of Mississippi can rent facilities to straight persons for any purpose but not to Gay ones? Exactly where is it ILLEGAL for a Gay couple to hold a commitment ceremony? The homophobes running the Ag Museum just made up the law. Here's the Christian Broadcasting Network on the Miss Ag Museum case. http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2012/Augus...it-Threat/ Jim Hood, while a Democrat, is not pro-Gay. Note that the AG immediately ordered the Museum to rent facilities without discrimination because he, a lawyer, rightfully saw that the state was going to lose that case.

The Hattiesburg case was on CNN. http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/opinion/su...tion-lgbt/

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Here's the reality of Mississippi for LGBT persons.

1) You have no right to open and operate a business complying with all of Mississippi's laws. You aren't violating any law, but they'll just deny you a license because you are Gay-- bull****

2) You can't shop at certain businesses, use the public restrooms while shopping, and are denied public accommodations-- bull****

3) You can't count on being able to use state assets, simply because you are LGBT-- bull****

4) You can't count on the police to protect you from violence, investigate crimes against you. In fact, in Hattiesburg, you can pretty much count on Sheriff McGee to persecute you for being Gay.-- Not sure on this one.

5) You can't work at 50% of Mississippi's taxpayer supported hospitals as an openly Gay person in management-- bull****

6) If you are bullied at school, the school will not protect you because you are Gay and therefore 'deserve it'.-- bull****

So basically, you have limited economic opportunities, significant safety issues, etc.

No wonder the streets of Atlanta, Nashville, and Houston are filled with Mississippi refugees.

You ever leave mama and daddy's basement and see the world? I've lived in MS for most of my life and I've never seen or heard any of that.. Which makes it laughable.. Usually when people in MS get the ACLU or SPLC involved it's because they didn't get exactly what they wanted...

Most of these stories are bunk.. Huff Post, while read by many, still doesn't make up for the fact that they're wrong and are very left leaning. Many people read this message board every day, and there's a ton of mistruth presented here on an hourly basis..

Gay people are not some special needs case.. You don't think most of those papers don't have an agenda, the only ones I can say for sure are the one from the Clarion Ledger and the Gulfpost Blog.. And funny who when I brought up something to make you look like the doofus you are, you skimmed over and want to talk about my home state like you've sweated in the hot MS sun for one hour or dropped an ounce of your blood in her soil.. Believe it or not Mississippi is more accepting of Gays than what your little articles lead you to believe.. There are gay communities I know for sure around the Jackson area and the Hattiesburg area.. I have a friend from HS that lives in Hattiesburg, and I've never once heard him complain about any treatment from anyone there but the men he's seeing.

So please get off your soap box and quit talking about things for which you have no understanding.. This whoa is me bull**** don't fly especially when you talk about my homestate and you've probably only stopped there for a minute if anything.. You say they hate gays there, sh*t I've stopped in places where they hated me and I'm a straight white man.. Hate is everywhere.. And right now you're spewing just as much as anyone.

So when is the Lesbian bar opening in Newton/Tupelo?
So why did Sheriff McGee fire his Sheriff's deputy?
So why did the state decide to not rent out facilities to LGBT persons?
So why did Mississippi pass a bill allowing businesses to discriminate in public accommodations?
So why is Mississippi's response to anti-Gay bullying in schools is to blame the victim?

None of this is bull****. And none of it would be tolerated in Alabama or Georgia. That bad.

I grew up 15 miles from Mississippi. I've been out there. Its pretty bad. Sure, there's a few out Gay adults who haven't left (either won't or can't). Biloxi is much better now that the Gay bar (the only one for the 300,000 people on the coast) is not longer Mobbed up. And Waveland just passed a NDO. The former Governor of Miss is supportive as is the Episcopal Bishop in Jackson. But overall its not a good story. Mississippi acts 30 years behind the times. You might think you know the LGBT community in Mississippi. I doubt you do, given your attitudes. You might be ignorant as to the facts of what LGBT people face in Mississippi. Stories like these don't make it on FOX News or World Net Daily. There are literally dozens of LGBT people from Mississippi that I know that live in Houston alone. We share stories. Some good, some bad, but the overall picture is not a pleasant one.

If Mississippi is such a good place, then why are there so many LGBT Mississippians fleeing it?

Gays are expected to 'stay in their place', which is as third class citizens hiding in the closet. Step out of line by doing something like being out or trying to operate a business or heaven forbid, demand that the school treat you as an equal....then you face all of the meanness that Mississippi can muster. And its quite a lot.

Its just the level of abuse that LGBT Mississippians face is just shocking. Even to an Alabamian. And I've seen my share of problems in Alabama.

(08-22-2014 04:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  All the injustice and problems in the world and Americans are consumed with this made up inequality. What a sign of the morale collapse in the US.

Pitiful

Hey, if you'd rather we concentrate on other problems, perhaps you should stop supporting inequality, seeing as its so irrelevant to y'all.

Ultimately the full and equal participation of my people in American society as full citizens is a pretty big concern for our community.

It always amazes me how others can put so much of a premium on enabling discrimination.

(08-22-2014 04:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 04:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  All the injustice and problems in the world and Americans are consumed with this made up inequality. What a sign of the morale collapse in the US.

Pitiful

Hey, if you'd rather we concentrate on other problems, perhaps you should stop supporting inequality, seeing as its so irrelevant to y'all.

Ultimately the full and equal participation of my people in American society as full citizens is a pretty big concern for our community.

It always amazes me how others can put so much of a premium on enabling discrimination.

If inequality and discrimination were real in your case I'd agree, but then again, it isn't.

(08-22-2014 04:28 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 04:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  All the injustice and problems in the world and Americans are consumed with this made up inequality. What a sign of the morale collapse in the US.

Pitiful

+1
This has never been about inequality. This is been about forcing accepting of lifestyles on people. But we only have ourselves to blame. People bent over backwards to be accommodating and now they are being broken in half.

Perhaps if equality was really tried, you'd have an argument. But that hasn't happened. At least not in Mississippi. Please Mr. Entitled Straight Man, tell me how you've bent over backwards for us.....

The left is pushing hard for the homosexualization of the United States.

Good Lord! You mean it's contagious?

This is about redefinition, anybody who says otherwise has an agenda and has a deep unhealthy hatred of society as it exists. It's about taking something from you to make themselves feel better about being made fun of as kids. It's about being accepted for their problems.

I say that, but vote democratically and I'll shut up.

This whole argument in the legal sense needs a new framework for dealing with it. The civil rights era framework is not the proper tool. After all, we aren't even sure if we are dealing with an immutable quality.

(08-22-2014 04:52 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 04:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 04:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  All the injustice and problems in the world and Americans are consumed with this made up inequality. What a sign of the morale collapse in the US.

Pitiful

Hey, if you'd rather we concentrate on other problems, perhaps you should stop supporting inequality, seeing as its so irrelevant to y'all.

Ultimately the full and equal participation of my people in American society as full citizens is a pretty big concern for our community.

It always amazes me how others can put so much of a premium on enabling discrimination.

If inequality and discrimination were real in your case I'd agree, but then again, it isn't.

Is that what they teach you at your law school? Really? We're talking about a conspiracy to prevent Gay persons from operating a business that straights are allowed to operate. We're talking about a Sheriff that fires his Deputy because it was discovered that he was Gay after he had to call the cops after he was the victim of a domestic violence dispute? We're talking about the state denying equal public accommodations? These might be irrelevant to you, but they are plenty relevant to us.

This is about securing our ability to function in commerce and in society. And no, we shouldn't have to hide in the shadows and take what crumbs an abusive society like Mississippi's decides is 'enough' for us.

(08-22-2014 05:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 04:52 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 04:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 04:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  All the injustice and problems in the world and Americans are consumed with this made up inequality. What a sign of the morale collapse in the US.

Pitiful

Hey, if you'd rather we concentrate on other problems, perhaps you should stop supporting inequality, seeing as its so irrelevant to y'all.

Ultimately the full and equal participation of my people in American society as full citizens is a pretty big concern for our community.

It always amazes me how others can put so much of a premium on enabling discrimination.

If inequality and discrimination were real in your case I'd agree, but then again, it isn't.

Is that what they teach you at your law school? Really? We're talking about a conspiracy to prevent Gay persons from operating a business that straights are allowed to operate. We're talking about a Sheriff that fires his Deputy because it was discovered that he was Gay after he had to call the cops after he was the victim of a domestic violence dispute? We're talking about the state denying equal public accommodations? These might be irrelevant to you, but they are plenty relevant to us.

This is about securing our ability to function in commerce and in society. And no, we shouldn't have to hide in the shadows and take what crumbs an abusive society like Mississippi's decides is 'enough' for us.

It's a problem for the people of Mississippi, not you, period.

Who are you to involve yourself with how others live their life? I thought you were about freedom and choice? Or, is that just what you tell yourself?

For the record, I don't feel anybody should be beat up or made to feel bad about who they are. That said, nobody should have to accept you, deal with you, or associate with you if they don't want to.

Keep using that term "us" that really helps. "Us," you say, "you" I say, not one of "us."

Nice pot shot though little man.

(08-22-2014 01:53 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Mississippi has a bad reputation for a reason. It has earned it and continues to do so.

You are such a clueless little twit.

Mississippi is a wonderful state and one of the most beautiful in the nation. I have lived here for over 30 years.

It has some of the finest, warmest and nicest people on the planet, no matter their skin color or who they like to bone.

You are also apparently too stupid to know that Miss is filled with homosexuals. I literally can't leave the house without running into them and saying hello. The gas station, dollar store, grocery store, Wal mart, restaurant, bar, club, private party. They are everywhere.

It is amazing how many of them don;t agree with gay marriage but think they should have civil unions.

I believe they should have equal protections in unions as couples, but it should not be called marriage. If equal rights are all you are after, then that's all that should matter.

You are a very stupid person and very dishonest.

You give all homosexuals a bad name and perpetuate the angry gay man stereotype to the fullest.

(08-22-2014 04:57 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This is about redefinition, anybody who says otherwise has an agenda and has a deep unhealthy hatred of society as it exists. It's about taking something from you to make themselves feel better about being made fun of as kids. It's about being accepted for their problems.

I say that, but vote democratically and I'll shut up.

This whole argument in the legal sense needs a new framework for dealing with it. The civil rights era framework is not the proper tool. After all, we aren't even sure if we are dealing with an immutable quality.

And that is the issue. This is a political issue, not one of "civil rights". People pop in and out of sexual orientation as the months change. If people start at X and ended at X, I would be much more open to hearing the argument. But, some people are straight Monday, bi Wednesday, lesbian Friday, feel like a man Sunday, and then date a woman while being a man on the next Monday.

The question is whether someone's choice as to their sexuality is a civil right... I disagree.

(08-22-2014 04:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 04:28 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 04:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  All the injustice and problems in the world and Americans are consumed with this made up inequality. What a sign of the morale collapse in the US.

Pitiful

+1
This has never been about inequality. This is been about forcing accepting of lifestyles on people. But we only have ourselves to blame. People bent over backwards to be accommodating and now they are being broken in half.

Perhaps if equality was really tried, you'd have an argument. But that hasn't happened. At least not in Mississippi. Please Mr. Entitled Straight Man, tell me how you've bent over backwards for us.....

What is this "equality" you speak. Sexual orientation is something some people never change and others changes as frequently as a light bulb.

I am not entitled anymore than anyone else...in fact, I guarantee you I have gone through a lot more with no choice in the matter. As to bending over, it's a phrase of speech...trust me, I am not bending over like that for anyone batting on your team

(08-22-2014 04:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  All the injustice and problems in the world and Americans are consumed with this made up inequality. What a sign of the morale collapse in the US.

Pitiful

The problems in the world are not Americas problem...the US playing world police...that's pitiful.

(08-22-2014 04:28 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 04:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  All the injustice and problems in the world and Americans are consumed with this made up inequality. What a sign of the morale collapse in the US.

Pitiful

+1
This has never been about inequality. This is been about forcing accepting of lifestyles on people. But we only have ourselves to blame. People bent over backwards to be accommodating and now they are being broken in half.

BS.

If gay marriage was legal nation wide, you would still be free to not like, not accept, not approve, (or whatever language you prefer) of gay marriage.