(08-18-2014 04:12 PM)Djud Wrote:  My response to this is he really must be a terrible passer if they haven't named him start yet.

The strength of last years offense was the Oline and JL's incredible leadership, durability and running ability. This year the strength is again an outstanding Oline, strength/depth at RB, and a talented Receiving corps. For this reason, I think Carey's decision is going come down to 1) which QB can best capitalize on the teams offensive strengths; 2) which QB takes care of the football best; 3) which QB has the respect and confidence of his teammates. It has been Mac's job to lose; unless their is an issue with point #3, I think Mac gets the starting nod.
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I completely agree with what you've said here. I'll add this...

Considering the strength of the NIU O-line, the offense opens up much more if you have an outstanding running QB than if you have an outstanding passing QB.

Add to that the legacy of NIU running the ball - especially the last 2 year with Lynch. Maddie running with our stable of stud running backs behind a stout O-line opens up the NIU offense much more than a pocket passer with marginal running ability.

Maddie is a lot like DeMarcus Grady. Great athletes, great runners, sidearm throwers. Maddie is supposedly good with the deep ball. Grady was too because he could loft it high downfield and let the receiver adjust to it. When sidearmers try to throw with velocity into a tight space however the ball sails. So if Maddie plays they will have to use a DeMarcus Grady-type game plan which is lots of running, short passes to stationary targets and the occasional lob downfield. It's doable but not ideal.

Oh god no, please not DeMarcus Grady 2.0.

(08-18-2014 04:04 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 04:01 PM)timxlydon Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 03:58 PM)7 Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 03:53 PM)timxlydon Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 03:49 PM)7 Wrote:  Yeah, again, I think this is the most logical explanation of what's going on.

Then why haven't they named him starter? Teams already know the Huskies are going to run with the QB, so it's not like they are tricking anyone.

I truly believe it has a lot to do with the unknown of the QB running game. Now, the counter arguement to that would be to make the QBs live at some point in practice, which while very unorthodox would seem to be a valid point to me.

I just think they all to different things well. They're very different QBs. Hare the thrower, Maddie the runner, McIntosh the mix of the two. So they want to get them out there with live bullets running the full offense and see what happens.

This is giving me a headache. I'm going binge drinking, wake me up on the 28th.

The thing I hate is you are conceding the NU game with this decision, there is no question about that. It may not ultimately hurt the MAC picture overall, but you are giving up on the NU game.

Huh? What? Who's "you"? Certainly not the 80+ players & Coaching Staff.

This would be "you" I guess:

(08-18-2014 05:42 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 04:04 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 04:01 PM)timxlydon Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 03:58 PM)7 Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 03:53 PM)timxlydon Wrote:  Then why haven't they named him starter? Teams already know the Huskies are going to run with the QB, so it's not like they are tricking anyone.

I truly believe it has a lot to do with the unknown of the QB running game. Now, the counter arguement to that would be to make the QBs live at some point in practice, which while very unorthodox would seem to be a valid point to me.

I just think they all to different things well. They're very different QBs. Hare the thrower, Maddie the runner, McIntosh the mix of the two. So they want to get them out there with live bullets running the full offense and see what happens.

This is giving me a headache. I'm going binge drinking, wake me up on the 28th.

The thing I hate is you are conceding the NU game with this decision, there is no question about that. It may not ultimately hurt the MAC picture overall, but you are giving up on the NU game.

Huh? What? Who's "you"? Certainly not the 80+ players & Coaching Staff.

This would be "you" I guess:

Well no they aren't going to forfeit but I hope we can all agree this puts niu in a horrible week 2 position if you delay what should be done in the summer. It just shifts the entire timeline of progression back a few weeks

There is no way that all three are good or great. If they truly are even this doesn't sound good. Whoever the starter is needs as many reps as possible. I believe that whoever starts will be looking over their shoulder. This does not help a guys confidence. Its likely that they all play well in the opener then what? It sounds like they haven't decided how they want to attack teams with our offense.

(08-18-2014 03:18 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  Yeah, if it wasn't an FCS cupcake i would have issue.

In a sense you can play the QB position as if it was a preseason game. Let each run a series or two in the first half then stick with who is playing the best in your mind, then going to Evanston that guy has to be your man.

That kind of thinking will get you beat. I hope the team and coaching staff does not look at this game as a sure win.

(08-18-2014 05:58 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  There is no way that all three are good or great. If they truly are even this doesn't sound good. Whoever the starter is needs as many reps as possible. I believe that whoever starts will be looking over their shoulder. This does not help a guys confidence. Its likely that they all play well in the opener then what? It sounds like they haven't decided how they want to attack teams with our offense.

Your last sentence is what scares me. If we are looking for minor separation in play amongst these three vs an fcs school to decide who starts and to dictate the offensive plan of attack...we are in worlds of trouble

(08-18-2014 03:43 PM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  This reminds me a bit (just a bit) of the Harnish vs Grady situation. Just glad that we get a warm up game first to try to sort it out.

+1. Have a feeling Mac will win it though and play the best out of all 3. Just needs the opportunity like Harnish did. Every time hare played last year he looked like he was so nervous and just **** the bed.

Reps in the opener don't bother me...even if we had decided on a starter, we would have expected the #2 and #3 guys to get PT in what is hopefully a blow out against Presby.

Spreading the reps out in practice the next week concerns me more.

Kill did not think Grady was as good or better than Harnish. He was not happy with where Harnish was mentally. He was sending a message not deciding who was better. Kill was letting Harnish know that he was the boss!

(08-18-2014 06:28 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Kill did not think Grady was as good or better than Harnish. He was not happy with where Harnish was mentally. He was sending a message not deciding who was better. Kill was letting Harnish know that he was the boss!

You may be right..wish he wouldn't have cost us a game for it though...and if you look at that game, man did it make a big difference.

(08-18-2014 05:00 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Maddie is a lot like DeMarcus Grady. Great athletes, great runners, sidearm throwers. Maddie is supposedly good with the deep ball. Grady was too because he could loft it high downfield and let the receiver adjust to it. When sidearmers try to throw with velocity into a tight space however the ball sails. So if Maddie plays they will have to use a DeMarcus Grady-type game plan which is lots of running, short passes to stationary targets and the occasional lob downfield. It's doable but not ideal.

I have never seen Anthony Maddie throw a pass in person but I will say there has been side arm throwers who were way better passers than Grady so I don't think that necessarily fair. David Carr had a tendency to throw it side arm and he was an amazing college player and the #1 overall pick. I just don't think comparing him to Grady because he throws side arm is completely fair.

If you had 2 QBs who were just not flinching and just playing out of their minds I could see extending the competition into the season. But to have 3 QBs who have been mediocre at best, and extending that into the season, its REALLY hard to justify. Its not worth losing all the practice time and sacrificing your non-conf games for that.

Makes me wonder if the team will come out of the dressing room naked for the first conference home game when trying to decide between 6 jerseys in fear of insulting Adidas.

If Maddie provides explosion plays and you're confident he has the mentality and work ethic, then you should go with him, coach him up, and make it work. If you want a more conservative offense with a mature, experienced player who has been in the system, then go with Mac. If you have a lot of confidence in our RBs and want a QB who can make plays with his arm, go with Hare. I believe the staff had plenty of time and know the players well enough and have seen them enough to make a decision. It worries me that they are going into the first game not knowing who's the guy. Make a decision and do your best until the guy you picked shows you that the wrong decision was made.

If he hasn't picked a starter yet, a game against a team that are 40 point underdogs isn't going to tell him much. Don't screw it up Carey!

(08-18-2014 07:37 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  If he hasn't picked a starter yet, a game against a team that are 40 point underdogs isn't going to tell him much. Don't screw it up Carey!

There's always the possibility that Carey is trying to hide who our starting QB will be for the Northwestern game... That said, I don't know if it's a good idea giving our to be starter only half the game of Presby... Or maybe that's the idea??? Since we'll be destroying them by the 2nd half anyway. My guess... With that logic, my guess is that - whoever starts on the 28th, will be the starter for Northwestern.

Everyone needs to chill, they have 9 days. If they name with a week left, they will be okay.

(08-18-2014 07:44 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  Everyone needs to chill, they have 9 days. If they name with a week left, they will be okay.

I haven't seen anyone spazzing out over the QB situation, it's a discussion, people are going to have opinions.

(08-18-2014 06:45 PM)7 Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 05:00 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Maddie is a lot like DeMarcus Grady. Great athletes, great runners, sidearm throwers. Maddie is supposedly good with the deep ball. Grady was too because he could loft it high downfield and let the receiver adjust to it. When sidearmers try to throw with velocity into a tight space however the ball sails. So if Maddie plays they will have to use a DeMarcus Grady-type game plan which is lots of running, short passes to stationary targets and the occasional lob downfield. It's doable but not ideal.

I have never seen Anthony Maddie throw a pass in person but I will say there has been side arm throwers who were way better passers than Grady so I don't think that necessarily fair. David Carr had a tendency to throw it side arm and he was an amazing college player and the #1 overall pick. I just don't think comparing him to Grady because he throws side arm is completely fair.

I've seen Maddie in person three times and to me he bears a strong resemblance to Grady. Just my two cents, I hope the kid is great.