(08-18-2014 09:46 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 09:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  The rioters don't give a crap about the actual truth.

Probably true, but the family does. I care about the truth too.

Does it bother you that had Michael Brown been white, this wouldn't even be a story? It would make a dumb criminals reel.

(08-18-2014 09:49 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Does it bother you that had Michael Brown been white, this wouldn't even be a story? It would make a dumb criminals reel.

I don't care about the color of his skin. Anytime someone is shot by the police I want them to investigate and verify that was the appropriate action by the cop. That simple.

Does it bother you that I don't care about the color of his skin and I just want to find out if the police officer was acting in the right?

(08-18-2014 09:54 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 09:49 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Does it bother you that had Michael Brown been white, this wouldn't even be a story? It would make a dumb criminals reel.

I don't care about the color of his skin. Anytime someone is shot by the police I want them to investigate and verify that was the appropriate action by the cop. That simple.

Does it bother you that I don't care about the color of his skin and I just want to find out if the police officer was acting in the right?

Yes you do.

It also wouldn't be news if the officer had been black.

(08-18-2014 09:49 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 09:46 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 09:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  The rioters don't give a crap about the actual truth.

Probably true, but the family does. I care about the truth too.

Does it bother you that had Michael Brown been white, this wouldn't even be a story? It would make a dumb criminals reel.

We all know that would be the case. I highly doubt you'd see a bunch of thugs out stealing from hard working people if the situation was reversed. Those folks just see a means to get free stuff and get on TV. The media is flaming this big time.

(08-18-2014 09:54 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 09:49 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Does it bother you that had Michael Brown been white, this wouldn't even be a story? It would make a dumb criminals reel.

I don't care about the color of his skin. Anytime someone is shot by the police I want them to investigate and verify that was the appropriate action by the cop. That simple.

Does it bother you that I don't care about the color of his skin and I just want to find out if the police officer was acting in the right?

How about anytime ANYONE is shot? Why are the cops always the bad guys no matter the situation?

(08-18-2014 10:08 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Yes you do.

It also wouldn't be news if the officer had been black.

As a white male who has had issues with specific police officers and their actions in the past, I beg to differ.

(08-18-2014 10:17 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  How about anytime ANYONE is shot? Why are the cops always the bad guys no matter the situation?

Who said that? All I said is I'm waiting on the full investigation and all details before I proclaim someone was right and someone was wrong.

(08-18-2014 10:23 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 10:08 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Yes you do.

It also wouldn't be news if the officer had been black.

As a white male who has had issues with specific police officers and their actions in the past, I beg to differ.

I know you are white. I stand by my comment.

And I stand by mine... I don't care what the skin color is, I care about whether the officer was correct in his actions. I don't ever want to be on the wrong side of a trigger happy cop. I know a lot of them are on power trips, hence the reason they became cops. I also know of cops who have stalked ex-girlfriends or ex-wives, making their life hell. I would rather make sure of the facts before I pass a judgment.

(08-18-2014 10:33 AM)mlb Wrote:  And I stand by mine... I don't care what the skin color is, I care about whether the officer was correct in his actions. I don't ever want to be on the wrong side of a trigger happy cop. I know a lot of them are on power trips, hence the reason they became cops. I also know of cops who have stalked ex-girlfriends or ex-wives, making their life hell. I would rather make sure of the facts before I pass a judgment.

yes you do. Where's your outrage over the 503 people who were shot and killed in Chicago last year by gangs

Police killed two just a couple weeks ago.

How about the police officer that was shot and killed in Chicago's south side this January?

Why are you so outraged over this one incident?

(08-18-2014 10:40 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  yes you do. Where's your outrage over the 503 people who were shot and killed in Chicago last year by gangs

Police killed two just a couple weeks ago.

How about the police officer that was shot and killed in Chicago's south side this January?

Why are you so outraged over this one incident?

Who says I'm not outraged by the gangs of Chicago or a police officer being gunned down for doing his job?

Just because I want to fully investigate EVERY police shooting does not mean that I'm against them. Any time anyone is killed there should be an investigation and hopefully a conclusion as to what happened. When it is criminal then I expect the perpetrator(s) to be charged to the fullest extent of the law.

I don't get why you can't understand what I'm saying.

(08-18-2014 09:14 AM)mlb Wrote:  I heard a guy on WLW this morning (conservative talk in Cincinnati) who said it perfectly... it does not matter if the cop knew or didn't know about the robbery. The question that we need answered was whether Brown was threatening him or not. We need to get to the bottom of it and find out.

I heard a radio interview with the Brown family lawyer who on the whole seemed pretty well balanced on the whole thing. He refused to call it an execution but also would not address if the robbery might have effected Brown's state of mind when being confronted.

Brown did not know that the officer did not know. All he knew was he robbed a store and was being stopped by the police 15 minutes laters.

The Physical evidence will tell the tail. Lets wait until it all presented. All we know so far is that Brown was not shot in the back as some witnesses said. Six shots hit brown, how many were fired? Did he shoot *at* brown when his back was turned, is there powder on the cloths of Brown?

Right now this is all raw emotion and it's killing any chance for justice.

(08-18-2014 10:24 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 10:17 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  How about anytime ANYONE is shot? Why are the cops always the bad guys no matter the situation?

Who said that? All I said is I'm waiting on the full investigation and all details before I proclaim someone was right and someone was wrong.

You said anytime someone is shot by police, you want to see an investigation. I asked why not anytime ANYONE is shot. You made it sound like only the cops are the bad guys.

(08-18-2014 10:17 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 09:54 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 09:49 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Does it bother you that had Michael Brown been white, this wouldn't even be a story? It would make a dumb criminals reel.

I don't care about the color of his skin. Anytime someone is shot by the police I want them to investigate and verify that was the appropriate action by the cop. That simple.

Does it bother you that I don't care about the color of his skin and I just want to find out if the police officer was acting in the right?

How about anytime ANYONE is shot? Why are the cops always the bad guys no matter the situation?

Nobody's calling them the bad guys, but should they be held to a higher standard than your average hood rat?

Damn right.

(08-18-2014 10:51 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Right now this is all raw emotion and it's killing any chance for justice.

Completely agree. Hence, I'm in wait and see mode.

(08-18-2014 10:52 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Nobody's calling them the bad guys, but should they be held to a higher standard than your average hood rat?

Damn right.

Not only that, any time there is a gunshot wound there is an investigation. The cops should be no different.

Last I checked, any time someone shows up at the ER with a gunshot wound or a stab wound they call police in to talk with the person. Any time someone is killed, no matter the circumstances, they thoroughly investigate to find out why. Any time a cop kills someone they should do a thorough investigation as to what were the circumstances and whether he was right. That simple.

(08-18-2014 10:52 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 10:17 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 09:54 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 09:49 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Does it bother you that had Michael Brown been white, this wouldn't even be a story? It would make a dumb criminals reel.

I don't care about the color of his skin. Anytime someone is shot by the police I want them to investigate and verify that was the appropriate action by the cop. That simple.

Does it bother you that I don't care about the color of his skin and I just want to find out if the police officer was acting in the right?

How about anytime ANYONE is shot? Why are the cops always the bad guys no matter the situation?

Nobody's calling them the bad guys, but should they be held to a higher standard than your average hood rat?

Damn right.

Are you kidding me? This comment alone implies that you would blame the cops first. The evidence is pretty much painting the picture that this cop shot out of self defense.

You love to read things into what people type on this board. He was pretty clear on what he said.

Maybe we should just read in that you are a racist homophobe because you question everything to do with skin color and gays.

(08-18-2014 09:28 AM)mlb Wrote:  No matter what we know that the police chief in Ferguson screwed up the initial portion badly.

1. Not releasing the cop's name. Dumb. I lived in Cincinnati during the riots there (and a curfew). They had the police chief on CNN last week who completely lambasted the chief in Ferguson for not being fully open from the beginning. If you hide things (or not release it in this case) then you risk a perception that you are trying to cover things up.

2. Arresting the media. Once again, it makes it appear that he has something to hide.

3. Not having an ambulance or coroner vehicle pick up the kid's dead body, instead putting it in the back of a police SUV. Maybe that is their SOP, but if that is the case then that is the first city I've ever heard of doing that. Most places do not put them in any police vehicles.

1. Currently there is a law in the MO Senate to withhold officer's names when an investigation is ongoing unless he's been convicted by a Grand Jury. Thanks to the IOFA, the police turned over all evidence they had, including the video.
2. The media that has been arrested has been because they refuse to listen to the LEOs and stay in media areas. It's for their own safety.
3.I cannot speak for this one, because that is the first I've heard of it.

(08-18-2014 10:54 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 10:51 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Right now this is all raw emotion and it's killing any chance for justice.

Completely agree. Hence, I'm in wait and see mode.

Yeah whatever dude. You are in "wait and see mode" while each one of your posts imply that the cops went on some kind of vigilante crusade while you ignore the context of the situation.

Here's what we know:

-This thug had just strong arm robbed and assaulted an innocent business owner.

-This thug was walking down the middle of a busy street blocking traffic.

-eye witnesses on the scene saw him rush towards police

-eye witnesses heard the police demand that he surrender

-he was shot in the front - negating the fact of earlier bogus reports of him running away

-there are video recorded conversations at the scene that back up this scenario

-this kid was not innocent

You want it to be all about how the racist white cop shoots an innocent black teen for target practice.