Correct me if I'm wrong, but what I've seen (and I haven't researched this extensively) seems to indicate that heterosexuals are te leading offenders with the opposite sex and homosexuals are the leading offenders with the same sex. That's certainly the result one would expect, and from what I've seen that's the case.

I am aware of cases where offenders who claimed to be hetero abused the same sex, more so than the opposite, but those would seem to be minority trends in both cases. I would attribute these cases more to the fact that anyone who would abuse any child is seriously screwed up.

(08-12-2014 10:32 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Correct me if I'm wrong, but what I've seen (and I haven't researched this extensively) seems to indicate that heterosexuals are te leading offenders with the opposite sex and homosexuals are the leading offenders with the same sex. That's certainly the result one would expect, and from what I've seen that's the case.

I am aware of cases where offenders who claimed to be hetero abused the same sex, more so than the opposite, but those would seem to be minority trends in both cases. I would attribute these cases more to the fact that anyone who would abuse any child is seriously screwed up.

You are missing the boat. We all agree with your statement, oh libertarian, but can you answer this question:

Quote:But would gay activists condemn Sandusky if the acts had somehow been consensual?

Consider the example of Harvey Milk, the pioneer gay politician who is celebrated in many schools on Harvey Milk Day and who was memorialized in the Academy Award winning film “Milk.”

According to the acclaimed gay journalist Randy Shilts, at age 11, Milk began attending performances of the New York Metropolitan Opera where he met with “wandering hands” and soon was engaged in “brief trysts [with grown men] after the performances.” While still in junior high, he “dove headfirst into the newly discovered subculture,” and by the age of 14, Milk was “leading an active homosexual life.”

GTS said in another thread that he would lower the age of consent to around 14, effectively legalising pederasty. Your thoughts?

(08-12-2014 10:28 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:20 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:00 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  There is a strong link between homosexuality and child abuse.

3 out of 4 sexual assault victims that are under the age of 18 are girls

Link? Also a link to sexual assault victims under the age of 12.

I have seen figures that have been as high as 9/10 being girls. here is the first link on google. Based on what I remember on this subject. The ratio is never lower than 2:1 girls/boy victims. But as the age increases so does the ratio disparity. By the time they are 17 it is usually along the 10:1 lines from 18-24 only 3% of SA victims are male.

http://www.victimsofcrime.org/media/repo...statistics

1 in 5 girls and 1 in 20 boys is a victim of child sexual abuse;

another thing that you guys should note:
Compared to those with no history of sexual abuse, young males who were sexually abused were five times more likely to cause teen pregnancy, three times more likely to have multiple sexual partners and two times more likely to have unprotected sex, according to the study published online and in the June print issue of the Journal of Adolescent Health.

(08-12-2014 10:29 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Except that part of Muslim culture openly promote pedophilia, whereas the others you mentioned don't promote it and have apologized for it. So show me the equivalency, if you can, but stop beating around the bush.

I don't care what is openly promoted or promoted "underground," the fact of the matter is that people from all backgrounds do it. I am not even aware of the open promotion of pedophilia in Muslim culture, I only have heard it from you. You are constantly doing everything to tear down everything that isn't white, chistian male. Take a step back and recognize that every race, every sex, every religion (or lack of religion) have idiots who do bad things. Those people should be tried to the fullest extent of the law. Stop stereotyping innocent people as criminals.

(08-12-2014 10:30 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

Quote:3 out of 4 sexual assault victims that are under the age of 18 are girls

Ok, invisible user, read slowly so you can follow the conversation.

1. So 1.6% of the population is responsible for 25% of child rape.
2. This thread is about pederasty, not child rape. When you groom a teenager to "consent", it usually isn't reported and doesn't show up on the crime stats. Ask you hero Harvey Milk.

I knew someone would bring that up.

the problem with your logic is that you assume everyone who molests someone of the same sex is a homosexual. while that is a determination of personal opinion. There are scientific studies that suggest that CSA perpetrators have no existing sexual attraction to older men, it also doesn't account for that there are cases of women who molest boys.

lastly the majority of CSA victims knew their perpetrator and/or was a family friend. Family friends who in many cases fit the "jerry sandusky" profile.

the notion that any child molester is automatically a homosexual is borderline hate speech meant only to slander. Most importantly it is not a line of thought that the CDC or other leading research groups use in their studies making the point irrelevant.

(08-12-2014 10:39 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:28 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:20 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:00 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  There is a strong link between homosexuality and child abuse.

3 out of 4 sexual assault victims that are under the age of 18 are girls

Link? Also a link to sexual assault victims under the age of 12.

I have seen figures that have been as high as 9/10 being girls. here is the first link on google. Based on what I remember on this subject. The ratio is never lower than 2:1 girls/boy victims. But as the age increases so does the ratio disparity. By the time they are 17 it is usually along the 10:1 lines from 18-24 only 3% of SA victims are male.

http://www.victimsofcrime.org/media/repo...statistics

1 in 5 girls and 1 in 20 boys is a victim of child sexual abuse;

another thing that you guys should note:
Compared to those with no history of sexual abuse, young males who were sexually abused were five times more likely to cause teen pregnancy, three times more likely to have multiple sexual partners and two times more likely to have unprotected sex, according to the study published online and in the June print issue of the Journal of Adolescent Health.

Two different analyses, one on victims, another on perpetrators. If you continue on into the link you provided, there is data on perps, which reports:

Quote:Offenders are overwhelmingly male, ranging from adolescents to the elderly (page 171).
Some perpetrators are female. It is estimated that women are the abusers in about 14% of cases reported among boys and 6% of cases reported among girls

A little math will show that 86% of abuses of males was by males. These statistics don't reflect sexual orientation and I think it is pretty safe to conclude that a study to identify the sexual orientation of predators, will never be conducted.

(08-12-2014 10:44 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:30 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

Quote:3 out of 4 sexual assault victims that are under the age of 18 are girls

Ok, invisible user, read slowly so you can follow the conversation.

1. So 1.6% of the population is responsible for 25% of child rape.
2. This thread is about pederasty, not child rape. When you groom a teenager to "consent", it usually isn't reported and doesn't show up on the crime stats. Ask you hero Harvey Milk.

I knew someone would bring that up.

the problem with your logic is that you assume everyone who molests someone of the same sex is a homosexual. while that is a determination of personal opinion. There are scientific studies that suggest that CSA perpetrators have no existing sexual attraction to older men, it also doesn't account for that there are cases of women who molest boys.

lastly the majority of CSA victims knew their perpetrator and/or was a family friend. Family friends who in many cases fit the "jerry sandusky" profile.

the notion that any child molester is automatically a homosexual is borderline hate speech meant only to slander. Most importantly it is not a line of thought that the CDC or other leading research groups use in their studies making the point irrelevant.

All pederasts, by definition, are homosexual. That is the topic for discussion. And yes, it is usually a family friend. Getting close to the family and gaining trust is a big part of the grooming process. Single mothers are generally the target families.

(08-12-2014 10:39 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:28 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:20 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:00 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  There is a strong link between homosexuality and child abuse.

3 out of 4 sexual assault victims that are under the age of 18 are girls

Link? Also a link to sexual assault victims under the age of 12.

I have seen figures that have been as high as 9/10 being girls. here is the first link on google. Based on what I remember on this subject. The ratio is never lower than 2:1 girls/boy victims. But as the age increases so does the ratio disparity. By the time they are 17 it is usually along the 10:1 lines from 18-24 only 3% of SA victims are male.

http://www.victimsofcrime.org/media/repo...statistics

1 in 5 girls and 1 in 20 boys is a victim of child sexual abuse;

another thing that you guys should note:
Compared to those with no history of sexual abuse, young males who were sexually abused were five times more likely to cause teen pregnancy, three times more likely to have multiple sexual partners and two times more likely to have unprotected sex, according to the study published online and in the June print issue of the Journal of Adolescent Health.

Now lets keep in mind that sexual assault has many different meanings. Touching a butt, a boob, etc are considered sexual assault.

Just because I am so sick of this myth saying child molesters must be gay....

The distinction between a victim's gender and a perpetrator's sexual orientation is important because many child molesters don't really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children – boys, girls, or children of both sexes.

actual studies
Using the fixated-regressed distinction, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) studied 175 adult males who were convicted in Massachusetts of sexual assault against a child. None of the men had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation. 83 (47%) were classified as "fixated;" 70 others (40%) were classified as regressed adult heterosexuals; the remaining 22 (13%) were classified as regressed adult bisexuals. Of the last group, Groth and Birnbaum observed that "in their adult relationships they engaged in sex on occasion with men as well as with women. However, in no case did this attraction to men exceed their preference for women....There were no men who were primarily sexually attracted to other adult males..." (p.180).

Other researchers have taken different approaches, but have similarly failed to find a connection between homosexuality and child molestation. Dr. Carole Jenny and her colleagues reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1% of cases in which an adult molester could be identified – only 2 of the 269 cases (Jenny et al., 1994).
In yet another approach to studying adult sexual attraction to children, some Canadian researchers observed how homosexual and heterosexual adult men responded to slides of males and females of various ages (child, pubescent, and mature adult). All of the research subjects were first screened to ensure that they preferred physically mature sexual partners. In some of the slides shown to subjects, the model was clothed; in others, he or she was nude. The slides were accompanied by audio recordings. The recordings paired with the nude models described an imaginary sexual interaction between the model and the subject. The recordings paired with the pictures of clothed models described the model engaging in neutral activities (e.g., swimming). To measure sexual arousal, changes in the subjects' ***** volume were monitored while they watched the slides and listened to the audiotapes. The researchers found that homosexual males responded no more to male children than heterosexual males responded to female children (Freund et al., 1989).

In summary, each of these studies failed to support the hypothesis that homosexual males are more likely than heterosexual men to molest children or to be sexually attracted to children or adolescents.

Reflecting the results of these and other studies, as well as clinical experience, the mainstream view among researchers and professionals who work in the area of child sexual abuse is that homosexual and bisexual men do not pose any special threat to children. For example, in one review of the scientific literature, noted authority Dr. A. Nicholas Groth wrote:

"Are homosexual adults in general sexually attracted to children and are preadolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homosexual adults than from heterosexual adults? There is no reason to believe so. The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual" (Groth & Gary, 1982, p. 147).

In a later literature review, Dr. Nathaniel McConaghy (1998) similarly cautioned against confusing homosexuality with pedophilia. He noted, "The man who offends against prepubertal or immediately postpubertal boys is typically not sexually interested in older men or in women" (p. 259).

(08-12-2014 10:49 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:44 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:30 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

Quote:3 out of 4 sexual assault victims that are under the age of 18 are girls

Ok, invisible user, read slowly so you can follow the conversation.

1. So 1.6% of the population is responsible for 25% of child rape.
2. This thread is about pederasty, not child rape. When you groom a teenager to "consent", it usually isn't reported and doesn't show up on the crime stats. Ask you hero Harvey Milk.

I knew someone would bring that up.

the problem with your logic is that you assume everyone who molests someone of the same sex is a homosexual. while that is a determination of personal opinion. There are scientific studies that suggest that CSA perpetrators have no existing sexual attraction to older men, it also doesn't account for that there are cases of women who molest boys.

lastly the majority of CSA victims knew their perpetrator and/or was a family friend. Family friends who in many cases fit the "jerry sandusky" profile.

the notion that any child molester is automatically a homosexual is borderline hate speech meant only to slander. Most importantly it is not a line of thought that the CDC or other leading research groups use in their studies making the point irrelevant.

All pederasts, by definition, are homosexual. That is the topic for discussion. And yes, it is usually a family friend. Getting close to the family and gaining trust is a big part of the grooming process. Single mothers are generally the target families.

nope.

"The distinction between a victim's gender and a perpetrator's sexual orientation is important because many child molesters don't really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women."

in other words pedos are not always homos because they don't have an adult sexual preference.

(08-12-2014 10:54 AM)john01992 Wrote:  Just because I am so sick of this myth saying child molesters must be gay....

Just the ones that molest little boys are gay. How can they not be?

(08-12-2014 11:00 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:54 AM)john01992 Wrote:  Just because I am so sick of this myth saying child molesters must be gay....

Just the ones that molest little boys are gay. How can they not be?

Read my ealrier posts to find out. or just continue in believing in the FRC bullcr.ap that only uneducated people take for fact.

I personally enjoy how SMN quotes me asking a question when the answer to it was listed right below the line he quoted me from (which he casually edited out)

sometimes you just can't fix stupid.

(08-12-2014 10:44 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:30 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

Quote:3 out of 4 sexual assault victims that are under the age of 18 are girls

Ok, invisible user, read slowly so you can follow the conversation.

1. So 1.6% of the population is responsible for 25% of child rape.
2. This thread is about pederasty, not child rape. When you groom a teenager to "consent", it usually isn't reported and doesn't show up on the crime stats. Ask you hero Harvey Milk.

I knew someone would bring that up.

the problem with your logic is that you assume everyone who molests someone of the same sex is a homosexual. while that is a determination of personal opinion. There are scientific studies that suggest that CSA perpetrators have no existing sexual attraction to older men, it also doesn't account for that there are cases of women who molest boys.

lastly the majority of CSA victims knew their perpetrator and/or was a family friend. Family friends who in many cases fit the "jerry sandusky" profile.

the notion that any child molester is automatically a homosexual is borderline hate speech meant only to slander. Most importantly it is not a line of thought that the CDC or other leading research groups use in their studies making the point irrelevant.

If a man sexually abuses a male child, he's a muthafuckin homo, aight? That ain't no damn hate speech, it's a fact.

(08-12-2014 10:55 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:49 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:44 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:30 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

Quote:3 out of 4 sexual assault victims that are under the age of 18 are girls

Ok, invisible user, read slowly so you can follow the conversation.

1. So 1.6% of the population is responsible for 25% of child rape.
2. This thread is about pederasty, not child rape. When you groom a teenager to "consent", it usually isn't reported and doesn't show up on the crime stats. Ask you hero Harvey Milk.

I knew someone would bring that up.

the problem with your logic is that you assume everyone who molests someone of the same sex is a homosexual. while that is a determination of personal opinion. There are scientific studies that suggest that CSA perpetrators have no existing sexual attraction to older men, it also doesn't account for that there are cases of women who molest boys.

lastly the majority of CSA victims knew their perpetrator and/or was a family friend. Family friends who in many cases fit the "jerry sandusky" profile.

the notion that any child molester is automatically a homosexual is borderline hate speech meant only to slander. Most importantly it is not a line of thought that the CDC or other leading research groups use in their studies making the point irrelevant.

All pederasts, by definition, are homosexual. That is the topic for discussion. And yes, it is usually a family friend. Getting close to the family and gaining trust is a big part of the grooming process. Single mothers are generally the target families.

nope.

"The distinction between a victim's gender and a perpetrator's sexual orientation is important because many child molesters don't really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women."

in other words pedos are not always homos because they don't have an adult sexual preference.

QS quoted part of your article that reads "86% of sexually abused males were abused by other males." That's a big number.

(08-12-2014 11:04 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:44 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:30 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

Quote:3 out of 4 sexual assault victims that are under the age of 18 are girls

Ok, invisible user, read slowly so you can follow the conversation.

1. So 1.6% of the population is responsible for 25% of child rape.
2. This thread is about pederasty, not child rape. When you groom a teenager to "consent", it usually isn't reported and doesn't show up on the crime stats. Ask you hero Harvey Milk.

I knew someone would bring that up.

the problem with your logic is that you assume everyone who molests someone of the same sex is a homosexual. while that is a determination of personal opinion. There are scientific studies that suggest that CSA perpetrators have no existing sexual attraction to older men, it also doesn't account for that there are cases of women who molest boys.

lastly the majority of CSA victims knew their perpetrator and/or was a family friend. Family friends who in many cases fit the "jerry sandusky" profile.

the notion that any child molester is automatically a homosexual is borderline hate speech meant only to slander. Most importantly it is not a line of thought that the CDC or other leading research groups use in their studies making the point irrelevant.

If a man sexually abuses a male child, he's a muthafuckin homo, aight? That ain't no damn hate speech, it's a fact.

no you ain't right, you are just having your dumbas.s moment of the day where you will make a claim based on your personal opinion that contradicts the truth.

you are the third guy to make this mistake even after I already showed the difference between the two. on top of that the studies that do say there's a connection have been disproven and exposed as being funded or performed by groups who have an anti-gay agenda.

(08-12-2014 11:02 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 11:00 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:54 AM)john01992 Wrote:  Just because I am so sick of this myth saying child molesters must be gay....

Just the ones that molest little boys are gay. How can they not be?

Read my ealrier posts to find out. or just continue in believing in the FRC bullcr.ap that only uneducated people take for fact.

So men molesting boys aren't gay? You don't have to edit "bullcrap" BTW.

(08-12-2014 11:08 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 11:04 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:44 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:30 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

Quote:3 out of 4 sexual assault victims that are under the age of 18 are girls

Ok, invisible user, read slowly so you can follow the conversation.

1. So 1.6% of the population is responsible for 25% of child rape.
2. This thread is about pederasty, not child rape. When you groom a teenager to "consent", it usually isn't reported and doesn't show up on the crime stats. Ask you hero Harvey Milk.

I knew someone would bring that up.

the problem with your logic is that you assume everyone who molests someone of the same sex is a homosexual. while that is a determination of personal opinion. There are scientific studies that suggest that CSA perpetrators have no existing sexual attraction to older men, it also doesn't account for that there are cases of women who molest boys.

lastly the majority of CSA victims knew their perpetrator and/or was a family friend. Family friends who in many cases fit the "jerry sandusky" profile.

the notion that any child molester is automatically a homosexual is borderline hate speech meant only to slander. Most importantly it is not a line of thought that the CDC or other leading research groups use in their studies making the point irrelevant.

If a man sexually abuses a male child, he's a muthafuckin homo, aight? That ain't no damn hate speech, it's a fact.

no you ain't right, you are just having your dumbas.s moment of the day where you will make a claim based on your personal opinion that contradicts the truth.

you are the third guy to make this mistake even after I already showed the difference between the two. on top of that the studies that do say there's a connection have been disproven and exposed as being funded or performed by groups who have an anti-gay agenda.

Lordy mercy. Why don't we just conclude this by saying that men who screw men aren't gay either.

(08-12-2014 11:11 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 11:08 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 11:04 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:44 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:30 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Ok, invisible user, read slowly so you can follow the conversation.

1. So 1.6% of the population is responsible for 25% of child rape.
2. This thread is about pederasty, not child rape. When you groom a teenager to "consent", it usually isn't reported and doesn't show up on the crime stats. Ask you hero Harvey Milk.

I knew someone would bring that up.

the problem with your logic is that you assume everyone who molests someone of the same sex is a homosexual. while that is a determination of personal opinion. There are scientific studies that suggest that CSA perpetrators have no existing sexual attraction to older men, it also doesn't account for that there are cases of women who molest boys.

lastly the majority of CSA victims knew their perpetrator and/or was a family friend. Family friends who in many cases fit the "jerry sandusky" profile.

the notion that any child molester is automatically a homosexual is borderline hate speech meant only to slander. Most importantly it is not a line of thought that the CDC or other leading research groups use in their studies making the point irrelevant.

If a man sexually abuses a male child, he's a muthafuckin homo, aight? That ain't no damn hate speech, it's a fact.

no you ain't right, you are just having your dumbas.s moment of the day where you will make a claim based on your personal opinion that contradicts the truth.

you are the third guy to make this mistake even after I already showed the difference between the two. on top of that the studies that do say there's a connection have been disproven and exposed as being funded or performed by groups who have an anti-gay agenda.

Lordy mercy. Why don't we just conclude this by saying that men who screw men aren't gay either.

listen dumbfu.ck read the top of post #29 or STFU

(08-12-2014 10:44 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 10:29 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Except that part of Muslim culture openly promote pedophilia, whereas the others you mentioned don't promote it and have apologized for it. So show me the equivalency, if you can, but stop beating around the bush.

I don't care what is openly promoted or promoted "underground," the fact of the matter is that people from all backgrounds do it. I am not even aware of the open promotion of pedophilia in Muslim culture, I only have heard it from you. You are constantly doing everything to tear down everything that isn't white, chistian male. Take a step back and recognize that every race, every sex, every religion (or lack of religion) have idiots who do bad things. Those people should be tried to the fullest extent of the law. Stop stereotyping innocent people as criminals.

Got it, you can't.