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RE: Academic rankings of ACC schools.
(08-17-2014 01:08 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-16-2014 10:25 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  
(08-16-2014 10:09 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Interesting.
In fairness to Shalala, the recession has been a big problem for many institutions.
Absolutely, that and low interest rates are skewing a bunch of statistics.

It's also worth noting that the number of institutions has grown considerably during her tenure. Miami's percentile rank probably increased, even if the absolute rank did not.

Neither has any role in what I posted above.
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RE: Academic rankings of ACC schools.
(08-17-2014 11:01 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 01:08 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-16-2014 10:25 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  
(08-16-2014 10:09 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Interesting.
In fairness to Shalala, the recession has been a big problem for many institutions.
Absolutely, that and low interest rates are skewing a bunch of statistics.

It's also worth noting that the number of institutions has grown considerably during her tenure. Miami's percentile rank probably increased, even if the absolute rank did not.

Neither has any role in what I posted above.

Right, so when you said:

*Miami's endowment moved from #94 to #103
and
*Miami's R&D funding moved from #52 to #59

you weren't talking about absolute rankings?

And, you don't see a connection between low interest rates and credit ratings and debt to asset ratios? Or do you now mean to deny that you mentioned that Miami's credit rating dropped from A1 to A3 and Miami's total assets to liabilities ratio changed from 2.781 to 1.870?
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RE: Academic rankings of ACC schools.
(08-17-2014 12:05 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 11:01 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 01:08 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-16-2014 10:25 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  
(08-16-2014 10:09 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Interesting.
In fairness to Shalala, the recession has been a big problem for many institutions.
Absolutely, that and low interest rates are skewing a bunch of statistics.

It's also worth noting that the number of institutions has grown considerably during her tenure. Miami's percentile rank probably increased, even if the absolute rank did not.

Neither has any role in what I posted above.

Right, so when you said:

*Miami's endowment moved from #94 to #103
and
*Miami's R&D funding moved from #52 to #59

you weren't talking about absolute rankings?

And, you don't see a connection between low interest rates and credit ratings and debt to asset ratios? Or do you now mean to deny that you mentioned that Miami's credit rating dropped from A1 to A3 and Miami's total assets to liabilities ratio changed from 2.781 to 1.870?

My statements stand. Low interest rates have little to do with the regression of the financial strength at the university. The "rankings" are notable only to show the comparable performance in these direct measures compared to peer institutions. Miami hasn't advanced...barely keeping pace...despite significant fundraising and heavy investment specifically in what is mostly federally-dependent health/biomedical research which you obviously aren't aware of. "New institutions"? I can't even follow the logic of that suggestion as such institutions have zero impact on Miami in either of those. Thoroughly irrelevant.

Why don't you actually try looking up some information about Miami. There's plenty of public information out there that will give you an indication of some of the stuff that has gone on. There are direct (and poor) strategic and financial decisions that have been made that have negatively impacted the university.

Really, I'm uncomfortable delving much further into Miami's dirty laundry and can't go into anything that isn't already publicly available. Google is your friend. Take or leave it. I'll be very happy for Miami when there is a regime change.
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RE: Academic rankings of ACC schools.
(08-17-2014 12:57 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 12:05 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 11:01 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 01:08 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-16-2014 10:25 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  In fairness to Shalala, the recession has been a big problem for many institutions.
Absolutely, that and low interest rates are skewing a bunch of statistics.

It's also worth noting that the number of institutions has grown considerably during her tenure. Miami's percentile rank probably increased, even if the absolute rank did not.

Neither has any role in what I posted above.

Right, so when you said:

*Miami's endowment moved from #94 to #103
and
*Miami's R&D funding moved from #52 to #59

you weren't talking about absolute rankings?

And, you don't see a connection between low interest rates and credit ratings and debt to asset ratios? Or do you now mean to deny that you mentioned that Miami's credit rating dropped from A1 to A3 and Miami's total assets to liabilities ratio changed from 2.781 to 1.870?

My statements stand. Low interest rates have little to do with the regression of the financial strength at the university. The "rankings" are notable only to show the comparable performance in these direct measures compared to peer institutions. Miami hasn't advanced...barely keeping pace...despite significant fundraising and heavy investment specifically in what is mostly federally-dependent health/biomedical research which you obviously aren't aware of. "New institutions"? I can't even follow the logic of that suggestion as such institutions have zero impact on Miami in either of those. Thoroughly irrelevant.

Why don't you actually try looking up some information about Miami. There's plenty of public information out there that will give you an indication of some of the stuff that has gone on. There are direct (and poor) strategic and financial decisions that have been made that have negatively impacted the university.

Really, I'm uncomfortable delving much further into Miami's dirty laundry and can't go into anything that isn't already publicly available. Google is your friend. Take or leave it. I'll be very happy for Miami when there is a regime change.

Your measurements of financial strength are strongly related to the economy, which affects every institution. You then supported your statement by showing an absolute ranking, while conveniently ignoring percentile rankings (which are far more applicable). You then claimed that somehow outside factors and relative rankings are irrelevant with a slew of ad hominem attacks without giving any explanation supporting *any* of your claims, substantive or otherwise.
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RE: Academic rankings of ACC schools.
(08-17-2014 02:10 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 12:57 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 12:05 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 11:01 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 01:08 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  Absolutely, that and low interest rates are skewing a bunch of statistics.

It's also worth noting that the number of institutions has grown considerably during her tenure. Miami's percentile rank probably increased, even if the absolute rank did not.

Neither has any role in what I posted above.

Right, so when you said:

*Miami's endowment moved from #94 to #103
and
*Miami's R&D funding moved from #52 to #59

you weren't talking about absolute rankings?

And, you don't see a connection between low interest rates and credit ratings and debt to asset ratios? Or do you now mean to deny that you mentioned that Miami's credit rating dropped from A1 to A3 and Miami's total assets to liabilities ratio changed from 2.781 to 1.870?

My statements stand. Low interest rates have little to do with the regression of the financial strength at the university. The "rankings" are notable only to show the comparable performance in these direct measures compared to peer institutions. Miami hasn't advanced...barely keeping pace...despite significant fundraising and heavy investment specifically in what is mostly federally-dependent health/biomedical research which you obviously aren't aware of. "New institutions"? I can't even follow the logic of that suggestion as such institutions have zero impact on Miami in either of those. Thoroughly irrelevant.

Why don't you actually try looking up some information about Miami. There's plenty of public information out there that will give you an indication of some of the stuff that has gone on. There are direct (and poor) strategic and financial decisions that have been made that have negatively impacted the university.

Really, I'm uncomfortable delving much further into Miami's dirty laundry and can't go into anything that isn't already publicly available. Google is your friend. Take or leave it. I'll be very happy for Miami when there is a regime change.

Your measurements of financial strength are strongly related to the economy, which affects every institution. You then supported your statement by showing an absolute ranking, while conveniently ignoring percentile rankings (which are far more applicable). You then claimed that somehow outside factors and relative rankings are irrelevant with a slew of ad hominem attacks without giving any explanation supporting *any* of your claims, substantive or otherwise.

You seriously have no idea what you are talking about, and you certainly didn't look into anything. Believe what you want.
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RE: Academic rankings of ACC schools.
(08-17-2014 11:01 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 01:08 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-16-2014 10:25 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  
(08-16-2014 10:09 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Interesting.
In fairness to Shalala, the recession has been a big problem for many institutions.
Absolutely, that and low interest rates are skewing a bunch of statistics.

It's also worth noting that the number of institutions has grown considerably during her tenure. Miami's percentile rank probably increased, even if the absolute rank did not.

Neither has any role in what I posted above.

I agree. Literally zero bearing on the figures you posted.

EVERY school went through the recession. And UM is a private school so they did not see huge budget cuts like the public schools in Florida did.

And the number of institutions growing having an effect? So some brand new, unaccredited school somehow jumped UM - or any other legitimate school - in "absolute" ranking? 03-lmfao

Knock it off with the stupid comments.
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RE: Academic rankings of ACC schools.
(08-17-2014 10:08 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 02:10 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 12:57 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 12:05 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 11:01 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Neither has any role in what I posted above.

Right, so when you said:

*Miami's endowment moved from #94 to #103
and
*Miami's R&D funding moved from #52 to #59

you weren't talking about absolute rankings?

And, you don't see a connection between low interest rates and credit ratings and debt to asset ratios? Or do you now mean to deny that you mentioned that Miami's credit rating dropped from A1 to A3 and Miami's total assets to liabilities ratio changed from 2.781 to 1.870?

My statements stand. Low interest rates have little to do with the regression of the financial strength at the university. The "rankings" are notable only to show the comparable performance in these direct measures compared to peer institutions. Miami hasn't advanced...barely keeping pace...despite significant fundraising and heavy investment specifically in what is mostly federally-dependent health/biomedical research which you obviously aren't aware of. "New institutions"? I can't even follow the logic of that suggestion as such institutions have zero impact on Miami in either of those. Thoroughly irrelevant.

Why don't you actually try looking up some information about Miami. There's plenty of public information out there that will give you an indication of some of the stuff that has gone on. There are direct (and poor) strategic and financial decisions that have been made that have negatively impacted the university.

Really, I'm uncomfortable delving much further into Miami's dirty laundry and can't go into anything that isn't already publicly available. Google is your friend. Take or leave it. I'll be very happy for Miami when there is a regime change.

Your measurements of financial strength are strongly related to the economy, which affects every institution. You then supported your statement by showing an absolute ranking, while conveniently ignoring percentile rankings (which are far more applicable). You then claimed that somehow outside factors and relative rankings are irrelevant with a slew of ad hominem attacks without giving any explanation supporting *any* of your claims, substantive or otherwise.

You seriously have no idea what you are talking about, and you certainly didn't look into anything. Believe what you want.
I'll explain. You seem to be absolutely clueless. During recessions, organizations tend to lose money. That causes their assets to decrease.** Interest rates also tend to decrease because, if the recession is big enough, the Fed will cut interest rates in an attempt reduce the cost of capital. That acts as a HUGE incentive for an organization to take on debt. One would expect an organization to have a stronger assets to liabilities ratio right before a recession that right after it. Therefore, showing Miami's numbers from right before a recession and right after a recession doesn't prove anything. It's what one would expect, even with good management. Honestly, if the cost of capital was reduced such that an organization could borrow money and invest it with a positive return, wouldn't you want that organization to do so?

Secondly, if school A was ranked in the top 1% in 1900, it might have been in the top 2 schools in the country (I'm not sure how many colleges were around in 1900, but I'll guess somewhere south of significantly over 200). A school ranked in the top 1% today would put it in the top 20-30 (there are at least 2,000 colleges in some form bouncing around today). Therefore, such school could have dropped from 2 to 20 while maintaining it's same relative rank. Conversely, if the school remained #2, it would have actually gotten more selective over time when compared to every other college in America. It would have improved by staying the same. That's the difference between absolute rankings and relative rankings.

Showing an absolute ranking over time is meaningless, much like showing an asset to liabilities ratio without some kind of relative comparison. When those statistics/rankings are made relative (i.e. Miami's asset to liabilities ratio compared to the median and/or average college's over that same time) then they are meaningful rankings/statistics. Otherwise, it only highlights your complete lack of understanding of either math or finance.

**This alone is enough to cause the ratio to appear less favorable, especially since (but not reliant on the fact that) monetary assets (i.e. Cash) have values that float on balance sheets (as opposed to non-monetary assets (i.e. Land), which is pegged at its acquisition cost less any adjustments (i.e. depreciation to non-land assets).
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RE: Academic rankings of ACC schools.
(08-17-2014 10:23 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 11:01 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 01:08 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-16-2014 10:25 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  
(08-16-2014 10:09 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Interesting.
In fairness to Shalala, the recession has been a big problem for many institutions.
Absolutely, that and low interest rates are skewing a bunch of statistics.

It's also worth noting that the number of institutions has grown considerably during her tenure. Miami's percentile rank probably increased, even if the absolute rank did not.

Neither has any role in what I posted above.

I agree. Literally zero bearing on the figures you posted.

EVERY school went through the recession. And UM is a private school so they did not see huge budget cuts like the public schools in Florida did.

And the number of institutions growing having an effect? So some brand new, unaccredited school somehow jumped UM - or any other legitimate school - in "absolute" ranking? 03-lmfao

Knock it off with the stupid comments.

I'd bet it is defensiveness about Syracuse because its standing in those two "rankings" slipped. The difference is that Syracuse doesn't have a med school (a major detriment to receiving federal funds these days which means that their drop isn't surprising at all), hasn't built multiple biomedical research facilities/park, gone out and hired 50 research faculty members specifically to bring in more research funding, and stupidly overpaid for a struggling hospital putting the university in major debt (not to mention straining the relationship with its long-time medical partner)... all only to not have the needle moved. It didn't fundraise as much as UM (not many did), and while some of SU's financial indices have fallen, it still has well less than half the debt of Miami, ~$26 million less in operational loss this past year, and has sextupled its cash flow over the same timeperiod period. To underscore the difference, Syracuse's credit rating also was raised from A1 to Aa3 during the same timeframe that UM's was downgraded twice. Nor, as far as I know, has Syracuse muddled itself in major ethical issues in pursuit of personal ambitions of various leadership, and I'm not talking about anything in athletics. This is the problem with people concentrating on "rankings" without trying to understand the larger context. Syracuse is substantially better off than Miami right now even though SU hasn't had that great of a past decade as many Orange will no doubt agree that Cantor is in no danger of having a statue erected in her honor.
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RE: Academic rankings of ACC schools.
(08-17-2014 10:23 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 11:01 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 01:08 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-16-2014 10:25 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  
(08-16-2014 10:09 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Interesting.
In fairness to Shalala, the recession has been a big problem for many institutions.
Absolutely, that and low interest rates are skewing a bunch of statistics.

It's also worth noting that the number of institutions has grown considerably during her tenure. Miami's percentile rank probably increased, even if the absolute rank did not.

Neither has any role in what I posted above.

I agree. Literally zero bearing on the figures you posted.

EVERY school went through the recession. And UM is a private school so they did not see huge budget cuts like the public schools in Florida did.

And the number of institutions growing having an effect? So some brand new, unaccredited school somehow jumped UM - or any other legitimate school - in "absolute" ranking? 03-lmfao

Knock it off with the stupid comments.
"EVERY school went through the recession."
Exactly. That's why it's important to express things in relative terms.

"And UM is a private school so they did not see huge budget cuts like the public schools in Florida did."
UF's number were not shared. Had they been shared, then there would have been a basis for comparison, as the numbers would have has some level of relativity.

"And the number of institutions growing having an effect?"
Yes.

"So some brand new, unaccredited school somehow jumped UM..."
I never said that. You're putting words in my mouth. Things roll down hill. At what point does a "brand new, unaccredited school" become legitimate? When Stanford was founded Harvard thought that it was a joke (this is actually supposedly literally true). FSU was a an all women's teacher's college until the 1960's, I believe, and Miami was ironically not even founded until the 1920's. The fact of the matter is that the landscape of higher education has become a LOT more competitive over the last 10-15 years. Pretending like it hasn't is naïve.
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RE: Academic rankings of ACC schools.
(08-17-2014 11:10 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 10:08 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 02:10 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 12:57 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 12:05 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Right, so when you said:

*Miami's endowment moved from #94 to #103
and
*Miami's R&D funding moved from #52 to #59

you weren't talking about absolute rankings?

And, you don't see a connection between low interest rates and credit ratings and debt to asset ratios? Or do you now mean to deny that you mentioned that Miami's credit rating dropped from A1 to A3 and Miami's total assets to liabilities ratio changed from 2.781 to 1.870?

My statements stand. Low interest rates have little to do with the regression of the financial strength at the university. The "rankings" are notable only to show the comparable performance in these direct measures compared to peer institutions. Miami hasn't advanced...barely keeping pace...despite significant fundraising and heavy investment specifically in what is mostly federally-dependent health/biomedical research which you obviously aren't aware of. "New institutions"? I can't even follow the logic of that suggestion as such institutions have zero impact on Miami in either of those. Thoroughly irrelevant.

Why don't you actually try looking up some information about Miami. There's plenty of public information out there that will give you an indication of some of the stuff that has gone on. There are direct (and poor) strategic and financial decisions that have been made that have negatively impacted the university.

Really, I'm uncomfortable delving much further into Miami's dirty laundry and can't go into anything that isn't already publicly available. Google is your friend. Take or leave it. I'll be very happy for Miami when there is a regime change.

Your measurements of financial strength are strongly related to the economy, which affects every institution. You then supported your statement by showing an absolute ranking, while conveniently ignoring percentile rankings (which are far more applicable). You then claimed that somehow outside factors and relative rankings are irrelevant with a slew of ad hominem attacks without giving any explanation supporting *any* of your claims, substantive or otherwise.

You seriously have no idea what you are talking about, and you certainly didn't look into anything. Believe what you want.
I'll explain. You seem to be absolutely clueless. During recessions, organizations tend to lose money. That causes their assets to decrease.** Interest rates also tend to decrease because, if the recession is big enough, the Fed will cut interest rates in an attempt reduce the cost of capital. That acts as a HUGE incentive for an organization to take on debt. One would expect an organization to have a stronger assets to liabilities ratio right before a recession that right after it. Therefore, showing Miami's numbers from right before a recession and right after a recession doesn't prove anything. It's what one would expect, even with good management. Honestly, if the cost of capital was reduced such that an organization could borrow money and invest it with a positive return, wouldn't you want that organization to do so?

Secondly, if school A was ranked in the top 1% in 1900, it might have been in the top 2 schools in the country (I'm not sure how many colleges were around in 1900, but I'll guess somewhere south of significantly over 200). A school ranked in the top 1% today would put it in the top 20-30 (there are at least 2,000 colleges in some form bouncing around today). Therefore, such school could have dropped from 2 to 20 while maintaining it's same relative rank. Conversely, if the school remained #2, it would have actually gotten more selective over time when compared to every other college in America. It would have improved by staying the same. That's the difference between absolute rankings and relative rankings.

Showing an absolute ranking over time is meaningless, much like showing an asset to liabilities ratio without some kind of relative comparison. When those statistics/rankings are made relative (i.e. Miami's asset to liabilities ratio compared to the median and/or average college's over that same time) then they are meaningful rankings/statistics. Otherwise, it only highlights your complete lack of understanding of either math or finance.

**This alone is enough to cause the ratio to appear less favorable, especially since (but not reliant on the fact that) monetary assets (i.e. Cash) have values that float on balance sheets (as opposed to non-monetary assets (i.e. Land), which is pegged at its acquisition cost less any adjustments (i.e. depreciation to non-land assets).

You should just stop. Seriously.
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RE: Academic rankings of ACC schools.
(08-17-2014 11:12 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 10:23 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 11:01 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 01:08 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-16-2014 10:25 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  In fairness to Shalala, the recession has been a big problem for many institutions.
Absolutely, that and low interest rates are skewing a bunch of statistics.

It's also worth noting that the number of institutions has grown considerably during her tenure. Miami's percentile rank probably increased, even if the absolute rank did not.

Neither has any role in what I posted above.

I agree. Literally zero bearing on the figures you posted.

EVERY school went through the recession. And UM is a private school so they did not see huge budget cuts like the public schools in Florida did.

And the number of institutions growing having an effect? So some brand new, unaccredited school somehow jumped UM - or any other legitimate school - in "absolute" ranking? 03-lmfao

Knock it off with the stupid comments.

I'd bet it is defensiveness about Syracuse because its standing in those two "rankings" slipped. The difference is that Syracuse doesn't have a med school (a major detriment to receiving federal funds these days which means that such a drop isn't surprising at all), hasn't built multiple biomedical research facilities/park, gone out and hired 50 research faculty members specifically to bring in more research funding, and stupidly overpaid for a struggling hospital putting the university in major debt (not to mention straining the relationship with its long-time medical partner)... all only to not have the needle moved. It didn't fundraise as much as UM (not many did), and while some of SU's financial indices have fallen, it still has well less than half the debt of Miami, ~$26 million less in operational loss this past year, and has sextupled its cash flow over the same timeperiod period. To underscore the difference, Syracuse's credit rating also was raised from A1 to Aa3 during the same timeframe that UM's was downgraded twice. Nor, as far as I know, has Syracuse muddled itself in major ethical issues in pursuit of personal ambitions of various leadership, and I'm not talking about athletics. This is the problem with people concentrating on "rankings" without trying to understand the larger context. Syracuse is substantially better off than Miami right now even though SU hasn't had that great of a past decade as many Orange will no doubt agree that Cantor is in no danger of having a statue erected in her honor.

Once again, now your lashing out and trying to make things personal. I never said anything about Syracuse. I also never said that Miami was well run. I simply said that your evidence was entirely worthless. Absolute numbers and random ratios picked during times of economic turmoil without any context are absolutely, 100% useless.
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RE: Academic rankings of ACC schools.
(08-17-2014 11:20 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 11:12 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 10:23 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 11:01 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 01:08 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  Absolutely, that and low interest rates are skewing a bunch of statistics.

It's also worth noting that the number of institutions has grown considerably during her tenure. Miami's percentile rank probably increased, even if the absolute rank did not.

Neither has any role in what I posted above.

I agree. Literally zero bearing on the figures you posted.

EVERY school went through the recession. And UM is a private school so they did not see huge budget cuts like the public schools in Florida did.

And the number of institutions growing having an effect? So some brand new, unaccredited school somehow jumped UM - or any other legitimate school - in "absolute" ranking? 03-lmfao

Knock it off with the stupid comments.

I'd bet it is defensiveness about Syracuse because its standing in those two "rankings" slipped. The difference is that Syracuse doesn't have a med school (a major detriment to receiving federal funds these days which means that such a drop isn't surprising at all), hasn't built multiple biomedical research facilities/park, gone out and hired 50 research faculty members specifically to bring in more research funding, and stupidly overpaid for a struggling hospital putting the university in major debt (not to mention straining the relationship with its long-time medical partner)... all only to not have the needle moved. It didn't fundraise as much as UM (not many did), and while some of SU's financial indices have fallen, it still has well less than half the debt of Miami, ~$26 million less in operational loss this past year, and has sextupled its cash flow over the same timeperiod period. To underscore the difference, Syracuse's credit rating also was raised from A1 to Aa3 during the same timeframe that UM's was downgraded twice. Nor, as far as I know, has Syracuse muddled itself in major ethical issues in pursuit of personal ambitions of various leadership, and I'm not talking about athletics. This is the problem with people concentrating on "rankings" without trying to understand the larger context. Syracuse is substantially better off than Miami right now even though SU hasn't had that great of a past decade as many Orange will no doubt agree that Cantor is in no danger of having a statue erected in her honor.

Once again, now your lashing out and trying to make things personal. I never said anything about Syracuse. I also never said that Miami was well run. I simply said that your evidence was entirely worthless. Absolute numbers and random ratios picked during times of economic turmoil without any context are absolutely, 100% useless.

I'm having trouble understanding percentiles. Can you review that topic for us again?
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