"Cincinnati lost Hernol Hall to an NCAA ruling, but nobody seems to know the real story. You know me. I know the real story. Or at least, I think I know it. It involves a vengeful former adviser who wanted Hall to attend South Florida, and perhaps it involves vengeful South Florida as well. One day I might just tell that story."

http://www.sportsline.com/columns/weblog...s_dribbles

bearcatfan Wrote:"Cincinnati lost Hernol Hall to an NCAA ruling, but nobody seems to know the real story. You know me. I know the real story. Or at least, I think I know it. It involves a vengeful former adviser who wanted Hall to attend South Florida, and perhaps it involves vengeful South Florida as well. One day I might just tell that story."

http://www.sportsline.com/columns/weblog...s_dribbles

What the hell is that? Oh, sure, Doyel can cast aspersions at USF as if he "knows the story" and then back off by saying he wrote "perhaps." I call bull****. If you're going to write something like that, you need to either write what you know or stop posturing.

USFFan

It isn't that hard to figure out what he is eluding to. He believes that Cunningham (former Duquesne coach who is now at USF and had recruited Hall to play at Duquesne) tipped off the NCAA to the fact that Hall had played overseas after his 21st birthday (not for money, just played) because he was mad that Hall didn't follow him to USF. Cunningham is the guy who brought Hall to America and got him in junior college, but felt slighted when Hall chose to go to UC. Had he gone to USF Cunningham would have kept that information to himself and his eligibility would never have come into question.
It is an interesting theory, and may or may not be true.

Its a lie I tell ya...... cows aint never green with envy.. lmfao

It's good to know a conference member would do something to one of their own....this can only come back to haunt USF on the recruiting trail...

subflea Wrote:It isn't that hard to figure out what he is eluding to. He believes that Cunningham (former Duquesne coach who is now at USF and had recruited Hall to play at Duquesne) tipped off the NCAA to the fact that Hall had played overseas after his 21st birthday (not for money, just played) because he was mad that Hall didn't follow him to USF. Cunningham is the guy who brought Hall to America and got him in junior college, but felt slighted when Hall chose to go to UC. Had he gone to USF Cunningham would have kept that information to himself and his eligibility would never have come into question.
It is an interesting theory, and may or may not be true.

Seems to me that if that were the case, wouldn't Cunningham wait until the kid had actually played and then gone out of their way to have him declared ineligible (and thus force Cincinnati to have to forfeit the games in which he'd participated) than to do this before the season started? Maximizes the effect. Plus, if it's one guy who may have been jilted, why drag the entire USF team's name through the mud?

Pretty sleazy...

USFFan

goodknightfl Wrote:Its a lie I tell ya...... cows aint never green with envy.. lmfao

31 minutes after it's posted for a UCF fan to take a shot. Obsession is never pretty...

USFFan

uchoops Wrote:It's good to know a conference member would do something to one of their own....this can only come back to haunt USF on the recruiting trail...

Gee, you think maybe it might be worth waiting until something is actually, I don't know, SUBSTANTIATED?!?

USFFan

Keep in mind no UC fan is insinuating anything - yet. This came from CBS.

And who knows - the NCAA always covers all the bases with UC recruits anyway so they probably would have caught it. It takes them 3 months longer to finish their investigation of UC recruits than anyone else.

subflea Wrote:It isn't that hard to figure out what he is eluding to. He believes that Cunningham (former Duquesne coach who is now at USF and had recruited Hall to play at Duquesne) tipped off the NCAA to the fact that Hall had played overseas after his 21st birthday (not for money, just played) because he was mad that Hall didn't follow him to USF. Cunningham is the guy who brought Hall to America and got him in junior college, but felt slighted when Hall chose to go to UC. Had he gone to USF Cunningham would have kept that information to himself and his eligibility would never have come into question.
It is an interesting theory, and may or may not be true.

Ouch! I thought only the SEC "ate" up its own.

Maybe this year's USF/UC Hoop Game just got more interesting. (that is if they play each other).

KnightLight Wrote:Maybe this year's USF/UC Hoop Game just got more interesting. (that is if they play each other).

The Battle for 15th (Place that is) will occur on January 14th in Tampa!

Sorry for the joke Bearcat fans, who knows how the boatload of JC guys will be. I don't honestly see anything in the top 10 though, but they could surprise.

We may be fighting for the BE tourney, but who knows. The team is sure to have some losses that look really bad, but they may sneak up on a few teams and pull out a couple of upsets too. If they can reach the NIT they will be over acheiving. Most UC fans see the light at the end of the tunnel and have faith that Mick will get us back to where we are used to being in the college basketball world, but for the next couple of years we will be rebuilding from the absolute bottom.

Quote:Seems to me that if that were the case, wouldn't Cunningham wait until the kid had actually played and then gone out of their way to have him declared ineligible (and thus force Cincinnati to have to forfeit the games in which he'd participated) than to do this before the season started? Maximizes the effect. Plus, if it's one guy who may have been jilted, why drag the entire USF team's name through the mud?

Waiting till after the season started would not have done anything at all. UC would not have to forfiet a game because he would have been cleared by the NCAA already and any games he participated in prior to being ruled ineligible would be fine. Besides if it were true that this is what happened, it appears as if the true motivation was to hurt Hall, not UC really. Hall has been seen by most experts as a player who had NBA potential with a little bit of polishing in college, but now he would have to play overseas or in the NBDL instead of college where he would get a ton of exposure.

subflea Wrote:

Quote:Seems to me that if that were the case, wouldn't Cunningham wait until the kid had actually played and then gone out of their way to have him declared ineligible (and thus force Cincinnati to have to forfeit the games in which he'd participated) than to do this before the season started? Maximizes the effect. Plus, if it's one guy who may have been jilted, why drag the entire USF team's name through the mud?

Waiting till after the season started would not have done anything at all. UC would not have to forfiet a game because he would have been cleared by the NCAA already and any games he participated in prior to being ruled ineligible would be fine. Besides if it were true that this is what happened, it appears as if the true motivation was to hurt Hall, not UC really. Hall has been seen by most experts as a player who had NBA potential with a little bit of polishing in college, but now he would have to play overseas or in the NBDL instead of college where he would get a ton of exposure.

Perhaps. However, it still hasn't been substantiated that Cunningham did this. If he did, I think it was a crappy thing to do. However, it's also not clear that he did this on behalf of USF rather than on his own. I don't for a second think that USF gains anything by doing this, which is why I think it's irresponsible to blame it on USF without so much as a shred of proof. The only thing Doyel did was to drag USF through the mud.

USFFan

I agree that it is irresponsible for Doyel to do, but the guy has always been an a**hole. I don't know if Cunningham actually did this or not, but honestly it wouldn't surprise me. Cunningham is not a very well respected coach and was part of a very dirty staff at Minnesota.