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(07-29-2014 12:46 PM)NCBlazerfan Wrote:  You wont find a guy on the roster to replace what he was to the squad.

You mean as a distraction or a player?

If you guys read the article, the case was dismissed because both Frazier and the victim were both leaving the state. The staff has known since June 24(probably before) that Chad was leaving the team.

I read to page 2. That's it. If people jump the damn ship on Haase at this point, I feel sorry for you. It's UAB. It takes time. This isn't like Mike Anderson, we can't even expect that. At all. It's a 5 year process, regardless of what anybody thinks. Winning takes time, especially with what Davis left.

(07-29-2014 02:15 PM)jthrashr Wrote:  If you guys read the article, the case was dismissed because both Frazier and the victim were both leaving the state. The staff has known since June 24(probably before) that Chad was leaving the team.

You already said that:

(07-29-2014 01:47 PM)jthrashr Wrote:  According to Crenshaw, the case was dismissed on June 24 since both parties involved would be moving out of state. It would appear that this has been in the works for well over a month now.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/...ier_g.html

(07-29-2014 02:19 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 02:15 PM)jthrashr Wrote:  If you guys read the article, the case was dismissed because both Frazier and the victim were both leaving the state. The staff has known since June 24(probably before) that Chad was leaving the team.

You already said that:

(07-29-2014 01:47 PM)jthrashr Wrote:  According to Crenshaw, the case was dismissed on June 24 since both parties involved would be moving out of state. It would appear that this has been in the works for well over a month now.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/...ier_g.html

It seemed that people were missing the point and insinuating that the decision to leave UAB happened after the dismissal. The dismissal happened because he is leaving UAB.

If the decision was made (either by Chad or Haase) over a month ago, why did Chad go to the Skills Academy as our representative?

(07-29-2014 02:24 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  If the decision was made (either by Chad or Haase) over a month ago, why did Chad go to the Skills Academy as our representative?

He didn't go to Skills Academy as our representative. He went to the camp as a representative of Chad Frazier. It's invitation only, and every school doesn't have an auto-bid if you will.

(07-29-2014 02:16 PM)Blazeralou Wrote:  I read to page 2. That's it. If people jump the damn ship on Haase at this point, I feel sorry for you. It's UAB. It takes time. This isn't like Mike Anderson, we can't even expect that. At all. It's a 5 year process, regardless of what anybody thinks. Winning takes time, especially with what Davis left.

I agree with all of this.

Here some more conjecture.

What we know.
1. Frazier is released from the team.
2. He thanked his coaches on Twitter.
3. Case was dismissed late June. Coaches perhaps knew he was gone at that time.
4. Skills academy was 6/23-25.

Maybe he was already scheduled to go, so UAB let him go anyway, since it was paid for. Or, if the coaches were forced to dismiss this, this was a parting gift. Or maybe he made the decision to leave on his own after the fact.

Wish we had investigative reporters in Birmingham that knew how to get stories, instead of spouting out press releases. We as fans would hate them, but we would be informed.

(07-29-2014 02:12 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 12:46 PM)NCBlazerfan Wrote:  You wont find a guy on the roster to replace what he was to the squad.

You mean as a distraction or a player?

Both, guys will definitely know their roles and maybe gel quicker. Covering 17 points a game is going to be tough.

(07-29-2014 02:16 PM)Blazeralou Wrote:  I read to page 2. That's it. If people jump the damn ship on Haase at this point, I feel sorry for you. It's UAB. It takes time. This isn't like Mike Anderson, we can't even expect that. At all. It's a 5 year process, regardless of what anybody thinks. Winning takes time, especially with what Davis left.

Well its pretty close to year five with an losing record already. USM hired a coach and he did well enough in three years to get the Tenn job. Its about recruiting and I'm not ready to crown CJH classes yet since we don't what any bring. Some on the board may have seen practices but what in boils down to is 5 guys with D-1 playing experience and 5 freshmen. Only one soph that we truly know a bit about in Mehinti the other two somewhat had limited roles. I've always felt that we should've brought in some older guys (JuCo's) because they have been an instant success. (Ruck,Foz,CJ, and Chad)

(07-29-2014 02:43 PM)Big Dee Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 02:12 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 12:46 PM)NCBlazerfan Wrote:  You wont find a guy on the roster to replace what he was to the squad.

You mean as a distraction or a player?

Both, guys will definitely know their roles and maybe gel quicker. Covering 17 points a game is going to be tough.

(07-29-2014 02:16 PM)Blazeralou Wrote:  I read to page 2. That's it. If people jump the damn ship on Haase at this point, I feel sorry for you. It's UAB. It takes time. This isn't like Mike Anderson, we can't even expect that. At all. It's a 5 year process, regardless of what anybody thinks. Winning takes time, especially with what Davis left.

Well its pretty close to year five with an losing record already. USM hired a coach and he did well enough in three years to get the Tenn job. Its about recruiting and I'm not ready to crown CJH classes yet since we don't what any bring. Some on the board may have seen practices but what in boils down to is 5 guys with D-1 playing experience and 5 freshmen. Only one soph that we truly know a bit about in Mehinti the other two somewhat had limited roles. I've always felt that we should've brought in some older guys (JuCo's) because they have been an instant success. (Ruck,Foz,CJ, and Chad)

I think you underestimate the difficulty of recruiting to UAB, sir. Respectively, this is the first team with purely Haase players. He got William Lee (A top 60 recruit). When was the last time UAB had that? He kept 3 guys in state including Lewis Sullivan who had offers from Auburn, Bama, and Ole Miss. Mehenti showed great things last year and has so much to improve on and Robert Brown is a guy people don't even realize. Losing Frazier might not even hurt. He averaged 4 TO's a game and didn't always play with the fire that you want. I think people can overreact with this. Frazier was a selfish guy who scored but took a lot of shots and converted a lot of TO's. He's replaceable and one player doesn't have to replace him. Team basketball replaces him.

You don't need one guy to replace 17 PPG.

My team is on the floor.

Pound for Pound we signed the best class in C-USA, http://247sports.com/Season/2014-Basketb...ence=C-USA the only reason UTEP ranks higher is b/c this shows more players. btw, we are missing 2 recruits from this list. So I think we will be ok. The Spain trip now seems even more valuable. Our players will grow up and grow up fast.

Agree ICB.

(07-29-2014 02:51 PM)Blazeralou Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 02:43 PM)Big Dee Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 02:12 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 12:46 PM)NCBlazerfan Wrote:  You wont find a guy on the roster to replace what he was to the squad.

You mean as a distraction or a player?

Both, guys will definitely know their roles and maybe gel quicker. Covering 17 points a game is going to be tough.

(07-29-2014 02:16 PM)Blazeralou Wrote:  I read to page 2. That's it. If people jump the damn ship on Haase at this point, I feel sorry for you. It's UAB. It takes time. This isn't like Mike Anderson, we can't even expect that. At all. It's a 5 year process, regardless of what anybody thinks. Winning takes time, especially with what Davis left.

Well its pretty close to year five with an losing record already. USM hired a coach and he did well enough in three years to get the Tenn job. Its about recruiting and I'm not ready to crown CJH classes yet since we don't what any bring. Some on the board may have seen practices but what in boils down to is 5 guys with D-1 playing experience and 5 freshmen. Only one soph that we truly know a bit about in Mehinti the other two somewhat had limited roles. I've always felt that we should've brought in some older guys (JuCo's) because they have been an instant success. (Ruck,Foz,CJ, and Chad)

I think you underestimate the difficulty of recruiting to UAB, sir. Respectively, this is the first team with purely Haase players. He got William Lee (A top 60 recruit). When was the last time UAB had that? He kept 3 guys in state including Lewis Sullivan who had offers from Auburn, Bama, and Ole Miss. Mehenti showed great things last year and has so much to improve on and Robert Brown is a guy people don't even realize. Losing Frazier might not even hurt. He averaged 4 TO's a game and didn't always play with the fire that you want. I think people can overreact with this. Frazier was a selfish guy who scored but took a lot of shots and converted a lot of TO's. He's replaceable and one player doesn't have to replace him. Team basketball replaces him.

Certainly what's done is done but...

. Rob Brown, Channing Toney, Lo Kinnard, Walt Sharpe, and Robert Vaden were four stars all transfers but one but they got here. Can't remember much a Armon Bassett.

. That's the best thing we get to see his recruiting no XCMD guys to blame anything on but they sure left in a hurry.

.Yeah it's difficult to recruit to UAB yada yada yada high admissions (self inflicted) apr ban, low budget. UConn handled theirs well win and that will help. You can find 13 guys between Ala- and Ga with the bball talent in both states and internet recruiting.

. Lew Sullivan vs Norris uat probably didn't want both similar players we should be happy AU had Barbee at the time thank goodness. They got Mitchell (great player probably their best signee) we got Calhoun ( great shooter) we got Haha they got Garrett and Coleman if Pearl was there last year things could look different.

. Chad was a great player in green and gold that's how I chose to remember him. Only two players last season had positive ast-to- to numbers one return and he's not a true point he was learning like Chad. So I wouldn't put the turnover bug on one player even if he was the point. Losing Frazier will hurt can CJH coaching cover it with a roster of 10 recruited guys and a walkon.

. Barbee, Grant and Kennedy coached at huge SEC powerhouses in UK and UF oh wait. Heck we beat them out for Mehinti and UGA. Well it's Brown's team now maybe this year's schedule helps this team grow quick that we can win a tourney bid in B'ham somewhat, again somewhat like Tulsa.

(07-29-2014 03:19 PM)Big Dee Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 02:51 PM)Blazeralou Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 02:43 PM)Big Dee Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 02:12 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 12:46 PM)NCBlazerfan Wrote:  You wont find a guy on the roster to replace what he was to the squad.

You mean as a distraction or a player?

Both, guys will definitely know their roles and maybe gel quicker. Covering 17 points a game is going to be tough.

(07-29-2014 02:16 PM)Blazeralou Wrote:  I read to page 2. That's it. If people jump the damn ship on Haase at this point, I feel sorry for you. It's UAB. It takes time. This isn't like Mike Anderson, we can't even expect that. At all. It's a 5 year process, regardless of what anybody thinks. Winning takes time, especially with what Davis left.

Well its pretty close to year five with an losing record already. USM hired a coach and he did well enough in three years to get the Tenn job. Its about recruiting and I'm not ready to crown CJH classes yet since we don't what any bring. Some on the board may have seen practices but what in boils down to is 5 guys with D-1 playing experience and 5 freshmen. Only one soph that we truly know a bit about in Mehinti the other two somewhat had limited roles. I've always felt that we should've brought in some older guys (JuCo's) because they have been an instant success. (Ruck,Foz,CJ, and Chad)

I think you underestimate the difficulty of recruiting to UAB, sir. Respectively, this is the first team with purely Haase players. He got William Lee (A top 60 recruit). When was the last time UAB had that? He kept 3 guys in state including Lewis Sullivan who had offers from Auburn, Bama, and Ole Miss. Mehenti showed great things last year and has so much to improve on and Robert Brown is a guy people don't even realize. Losing Frazier might not even hurt. He averaged 4 TO's a game and didn't always play with the fire that you want. I think people can overreact with this. Frazier was a selfish guy who scored but took a lot of shots and converted a lot of TO's. He's replaceable and one player doesn't have to replace him. Team basketball replaces him.

Certainly what's done is done but...

. Rob Brown, Channing Toney, Lo Kinnard, Walt Sharpe, and Robert Vaden were four stars all transfers but one but they got here. Can't remember much a Armon Bassett.

. That's the best thing we get to see his recruiting no XCMD guys to blame anything on but they sure left in a hurry.

.Yeah it's difficult to recruit to UAB yada yada yada high admissions (self inflicted) apr ban, low budget. UConn handled theirs well win and that will help. You can find 13 guys between Ala- and Ga with the bball talent in both states and internet recruiting.


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I thought it was pretty much well accepted that you don't build a program with quick fix transfers. That is where Davis went wrong, trying to get the quick fix rather than build the program.

All of the guys you named didn't accomplish that much at UAB. The team that did accomplish something (CUSA title) had a four year player in AJ and a three year player in Cam Moore, both started their careers as freshmen.

You don't remember much about Bassett because he never played here. But he is remembered as the guy that Davis chased off a great player and person in Reggie Huffman to make room for one more quick fix player.

I can't believe you are somehow pinning Frazier being gone on Haase. Either the choice was out of his hands (Fraizer made it or it was made by someone above Haase) or he made it because he didn't want someone with thuggish behavior on the team.

I guess someone who puts winning above all else wouldn't understand that.

And I don't see how anyone says it is Year 5 with a losing record. Haase had one losing year in his first year (by one game). He had a winning record last year. Davis had a losing record his last year and one the CUSA title the year before. That is not five years with losing records.

People really seem to forget how well Watts was playing at the end of the season. I think he's going to be a big part of the team this year. He won't be chad, but getting 10 and 4 out of him isn't impossible.(with limited turnovers)

(07-29-2014 04:33 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  People really seem to forget how well Watts was playing at the end of the season. I think he's going to be a big part of the team this year. He won't be chad, but getting 10 and 4 out of him isn't impossible.(with limited turnovers)

I think two freshmen could start one being Norton.

I haven't gone back and read the whole thread, but I'm glad UAB made the right decision. The Gary Parrish story is still the top headline on the CBS NCAA Basketball page. Losing Chad hurts the team, but we get to walk away with our integrity.

As far as the team, it is never good for your entire second unit to be freshmen. I bet the starters play heavy minutes, especially early in the season. Foul trouble for anyone could be killer. I like our starting five with Brown and Washington handling the bulk of the scoring, Watts as the distributor, Madison as the main perimeter defender, and Mehinti as the rim protection. I just don't know what to expect from our bench yet. The silver lining is that we will get to find out quickly just how good the new kids are, and they will plenty of opportunities to prove themselves. I hope someone stakes his claim to the Sixth Man of the Year early. Or more than one are fighting it out amongst themselves.

Also, it's ridiculous to blame any of this on Haase. It was a single incident by a single player with no priors (that I'm aware, and I think I would have heard.) This is a setback for this season, but his scholarship was opening up at the end of the year anyway, so it's not a setback for the overall plan.