(07-14-2014 05:39 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 03:20 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  You're asking the wrong question. America, like the rest of the developed world, has and will continue to prosper under liberalism. The question for America is whether is will survive the onslaught of corporatism. I'm an optimist who thinks the continued rise of liberalism will finally put a proper check on the grotesque use of corporate power. The only question is how much damage will be done before liberalism finally wins out.

There is where I see a major blind-spot with Liberals. They always say the problem is that corporations have become too powerful and exert too much influence/control over government. The Liberal solution to this problem is to give even more power to government, believing that this will counter-balance and control the corporations.

Now, I point out the obvious issue. If corporations/special interest control the government, won't giving the government more power just make the corporations/special interests more powerful? They will continue to control government and use it to squash their competition. Liberals are playing right into their hand.

And just so we're all clear, we currently don't have a capitalist system. We have a mixed system that is closer to corporate socialism aka crony capitalism, where your ability to get things from the government controls your success rather than your provision of goods and services. We're far from Laissez-Faire free market capitalism.

Good points.

(07-12-2014 02:24 AM)Kronke Wrote:  By the time Zero leaves office, he will have doubled the national debt in 8 years, superpowers all across the world are dumping the dollar like it's toilet paper, a third of the country would be starving to death in the streets if it weren't for the hand outs, the GDP is retracting, they're systematically collapsing the borders in hopes of importing a new voting bloc and putting in Cloward & Piven, and on top of it all, they're compulsive liars (even when they're busted dead to rights, i.e. the 80 billion to 1 shot of the hard drives all crashing simultaneously), yet their base is so brain dead to the point of being programmed to just call us racist/sexist (see: liberal cave troll vs. pro-life supporters) if we dare call them out on their bullsh*t.

So in short, I doubt it.

You pretty much nailed it. Too many write all that off to incompetence, considering the goal I'd say it's extremely competent.

(07-14-2014 05:39 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 03:20 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  You're asking the wrong question. America, like the rest of the developed world, has and will continue to prosper under liberalism. The question for America is whether is will survive the onslaught of corporatism. I'm an optimist who thinks the continued rise of liberalism will finally put a proper check on the grotesque use of corporate power. The only question is how much damage will be done before liberalism finally wins out.

There is where I see a major blind-spot with Liberals. They always say the problem is that corporations have become too powerful and exert too much influence/control over government. The Liberal solution to this problem is to give even more power to government, believing that this will counter-balance and control the corporations.

Now, I point out the obvious issue. If corporations/special interest control the government, won't giving the government more power just make the corporations/special interests more powerful? They will continue to control government and use it to squash their competition. Liberals are playing right into their hand.

And just so we're all clear, we currently don't have a capitalist system. We have a mixed system that is closer to corporate socialism aka crony capitalism, where your ability to get things from the government controls your success rather than your provision of goods and services. We're far from Laissez-Faire free market capitalism.

And this is ultimately the issue. Because the perception is that the market is making the wrong choices. Take MS Office for example. There are free and equally as capable alternative software available online, yet people/corporations continue to hand Bill Gates their hard earned money every year. Thus, market solutions aren't a panacea b/c people sometimes make dumb decisions.

(07-12-2014 10:12 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Yes, this country was founded by Liberals.

Oh hey look at that. I didn't realize this country was founded in 1944.

(07-12-2014 09:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 06:15 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 05:41 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  What will eventually happen: There will be a major conflict. The blue and red states will separate and form smaller countries. It probably will not happen in our lifetimes. It will happen in our children's lifetime. Liberalism is like cancer. It is hard to cure once it sets in.

That's been said for many years.

Not going to happen. The 'red states' are largely leeches off of the economic powerhouses, which are largely 'blue states'.

You've got one economic leader in the 'red state' category, Texas. I love Texas. I moved here from California. But Texas is a middle income state on average. And Texas won't be red forever. It wont be as quick as many Dems think, but by 2022 at the latest demographics will make the political dynamic change over.

If I'm in Mississippi or Alabama or Oklahoma, I'd be terrified of what would happen to my economy without the massive transfers to my state from 'blue states'. Imagine Montgomery without Maxwell. Or Biloxi without Keesler. Or NW Florida without Eglin.

If I was ever unsure of liberalism being a mental disorder, you definitely proved that it is. You should go back to California where you belong. Weirdo.

Hey Tommy,

Just like the Naval Station in West Virginia right....?

(07-12-2014 05:41 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  What will eventually happen: There will be a major conflict. The blue and red states will separate and form smaller countries. It probably will not happen in our lifetimes. It will happen in our children's lifetime. Liberalism is like cancer. It is hard to cure once it sets in.

The south will lose...again.