(07-10-2014 11:18 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 11:03 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 10:07 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 09:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 09:44 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  The same logic was used for reasoning WV wasn't getting picked. Cincy has Ohio recruits who are valuable (Especially to guys like Stoops who are from there) Also they're the 2nd option in the state not the 4th or 5th.

WVU was picked because the Big 12 was badly wounded and needed a warm good-football body pronto, in other words, they were chosen under duress.

If a P5 is under duress, then yes, all bets are off and anyone can be picked based on pressing in the moment needs. But absent duress, I don't see Cincy getting a bid. They are within a 100 or so miles of several B1G, SEC, and now ACC schools. Too crowded.

They also have a legitimate basketball team, which can't be said for either Florida school. Get your basketball better then maybe.... maybe... they'd consider it seriously.

Well TCU basketball has always been a dominant force.

Exception in that they have a large Texas Fan Base and they Capture the Dallas Market which is huge.

So they capture the Dallas market? I say it is split between tcu, smu, and texas but they do offer a lot.

(07-10-2014 11:29 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 10:58 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  If the Big 12 was forced to expand by 2, imho, they take 1 Florida school and Cincy. SEC didn't need 2 Texas schools just 1, then they took Mizzou. 2 new markets. Big Ten did the same thing with Rutgers and MD, 2 new markets. In the older model SMU and Houston are the right candidates.

Big 12 has 2 Oklahoma schools, 2 kansas schools, and 2 Texas schools. No reason they wouldn't add 2 Florida schools `IF` they ever wanted to expand. Tampa and orlando are completely different markets. Adding both would give the big 12 a nice grab at all of the central Florida area.

3 Texas Schools. Also, what are the TV ratings like for USF and UCF? Do they actually "Capture" the market or do they just exist in it? Kind of like Tulane.

(07-10-2014 11:29 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 10:58 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  If the Big 12 was forced to expand by 2, imho, they take 1 Florida school and Cincy. SEC didn't need 2 Texas schools just 1, then they took Mizzou. 2 new markets. Big Ten did the same thing with Rutgers and MD, 2 new markets. In the older model SMU and Houston are the right candidates.

Big 12 has 2 Oklahoma schools, 2 kansas schools, and 2 Texas schools. No reason they wouldn't add 2 Florida schools `IF` they ever wanted to expand. Tampa and orlando are completely different markets. Adding both would give the big 12 a nice grab at all of the central Florida area.

you know you are using ancient conference model in 2014? no one is adding 2 in 1 state
again the SEC turned down power house FSU, and fsu AD openly admitted something like that isnt viable in the modern era (as they already have ONE florida), despite the fact he felt FSU was an SEC school in mentality

(07-10-2014 11:34 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 11:29 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 10:58 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  If the Big 12 was forced to expand by 2, imho, they take 1 Florida school and Cincy. SEC didn't need 2 Texas schools just 1, then they took Mizzou. 2 new markets. Big Ten did the same thing with Rutgers and MD, 2 new markets. In the older model SMU and Houston are the right candidates.

Big 12 has 2 Oklahoma schools, 2 kansas schools, and 2 Texas schools. No reason they wouldn't add 2 Florida schools `IF` they ever wanted to expand. Tampa and orlando are completely different markets. Adding both would give the big 12 a nice grab at all of the central Florida area.

3 Texas Schools. Also, what are the TV ratings like for USF and UCF? Do they actually "Capture" the market or do they just exist in it? Kind of like Tulane.

....or Tulsa.

If the B12 wanted to expand, I could easily see them adding both UCF and USF. However, I'm not so sure that they will be adding anyone anytime soon. If anything, the B12 is still in danger of being poached themselves:

If Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State went to the PAC12(16) what would happen to the other 6 schools? Kansas could wind up in the B10 and possibly bring Iowa State along with them... but if anything, I think those 6 would either form a new conference or even join the AAC.

(07-10-2014 11:32 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 11:18 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 11:03 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 10:07 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 09:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  WVU was picked because the Big 12 was badly wounded and needed a warm good-football body pronto, in other words, they were chosen under duress.

If a P5 is under duress, then yes, all bets are off and anyone can be picked based on pressing in the moment needs. But absent duress, I don't see Cincy getting a bid. They are within a 100 or so miles of several B1G, SEC, and now ACC schools. Too crowded.

They also have a legitimate basketball team, which can't be said for either Florida school. Get your basketball better then maybe.... maybe... they'd consider it seriously.

Well TCU basketball has always been a dominant force.

Exception in that they have a large Texas Fan Base and they Capture the Dallas Market which is huge.

So they capture the Dallas market? I say it is split between tcu, smu, and texas but they do offer a lot.

TCU's fanbase is no larger than UCF's, IMO.

(07-10-2014 11:15 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 09:37 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 08:46 AM)pesik Wrote:  if the big 12 had no choice but to expand today they take byu and cincy, the 2 known commodities.

I don't see Cincy getting a P5 bid in the forseeable future. Ditto for UConn. IMO, just as Rutgers and UConn are redundant, such that only one would get a P5 bid, and just as USF and UCF are as well, I thought all along that Cincy and Louisville are, too. Cincy is just in too tight a box, surrounded on all sides by B1G and now ACC and SEC schools, to provide much value-added to the Big 12 or anyone else.

Everyone likes to talk about UofL getting picked "over" UConn, and that's how the ACC evidently framed it, but bigger picture, it was really Rutgers that got picked over UConn, and UofL over Cincy.

That is what TV execs want. Captive college TV viewers. A&M is getting much more viewers than Texas is now (nod to Johnny Football over the past 2 years) although they are surrounded by Big 12 schools. The Big 12 needs to expand their market and Ohio and Florida would good places to plant a flag. I am a Cincinnati guy and that is who I watch first and foremost,
but I probably watch AAC, Big Ten and SEC games equally.

I don't think it's fair to compare Cincy to Texas A/M. First, TAMU is not surrounded like Cincy is. They do have Texas in their backyard, but nobody else in the vicinity, and the nearest major city, Houston, is P5-free.

Also, TAMU is a traditional football power, they have been in a "power" conference for literally a century, as they were a founding member of the SWC in 1914. They are a gigantic land, sea, and space grant university with a $8 billion endowment and an immense fan base throughout Texas and the south/southwest. So they had a far bigger and broader 'footprint' of interest. Cincy, otoh, really is much more confined in terms of footprint.

(07-10-2014 09:55 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 08:46 AM)pesik Wrote:  it feels strange agreeing with quo but he's right, they won't add ucf and usf, 1 or the other,

they aren't cutting 2 pieces of the pie for essential 1 new p5 sized market, reading his argument (which is weak btw) all his points could be easily added with just 1 Florida

and this guy needs to wake up and realize recruiting ground, local rivalry (that has only played 5 times) and making the least influential member (wvu) happy aren't reasons why P5 expand

with that argument im guessing the p5 are considering FAU/FIU?

keep in mind the SEC turned down florida state because they felt adding them was unnecessary with 1 florrida (and fsu is no lite weight)

if the big 12 had no choice but to expand today they take byu and cincy, the 2 known commodities. the big 12 doesnt want byu but would take them if their hand was forced. ucf had a great season but that makes a total of 1 season of "national" revelance, they wont make a lifetime decision of what could "potentially" be a flash in the pan. if the expansion is in 5 years and ucf remains successful and grows it brand/reputation it will be them (or usf if they do it) and take another eastern team who's grown its brand the most in that time period

Let me make this abundantly clear. Tampa is the 18th largest market in the country and Orlando is the 20th, however when you add the two markets together they constitute the 4th largest market in the nation. One thing the b-12 needs more than anything for national relevance is markets (especially outside of Texas, sorryHouston). I don't think the b-12 would Add either BYU or UC, they would have already been added if the need arose. I believe for the reasons stated multiple times before that the UCF/USF tandem is the b-12s best option for long term future success. Ucf had only one year to establish national relevance, certainly you are not suggesting that teams from c-USA are capable of establishing national relevance. Just for the record UCF has had 10 win seasons In Three of the last four seasons. UCF is hardly a "flash in the pan."

I’ve posted this suggestion several times: Exactly what you’ve posted in bold is how UCF and USF should approach the B12. In addition to this, both schools should tell the B12 that it would get two schools for the price of one. FOX would be all over that idea in my opinion….

(07-10-2014 11:45 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 09:55 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 08:46 AM)pesik Wrote:  it feels strange agreeing with quo but he's right, they won't add ucf and usf, 1 or the other,

they aren't cutting 2 pieces of the pie for essential 1 new p5 sized market, reading his argument (which is weak btw) all his points could be easily added with just 1 Florida

and this guy needs to wake up and realize recruiting ground, local rivalry (that has only played 5 times) and making the least influential member (wvu) happy aren't reasons why P5 expand

with that argument im guessing the p5 are considering FAU/FIU?

keep in mind the SEC turned down florida state because they felt adding them was unnecessary with 1 florrida (and fsu is no lite weight)

if the big 12 had no choice but to expand today they take byu and cincy, the 2 known commodities. the big 12 doesnt want byu but would take them if their hand was forced. ucf had a great season but that makes a total of 1 season of "national" revelance, they wont make a lifetime decision of what could "potentially" be a flash in the pan. if the expansion is in 5 years and ucf remains successful and grows it brand/reputation it will be them (or usf if they do it) and take another eastern team who's grown its brand the most in that time period

Let me make this abundantly clear. Tampa is the 18th largest market in the country and Orlando is the 20th, however when you add the two markets together they constitute the 4th largest market in the nation. One thing the b-12 needs more than anything for national relevance is markets (especially outside of Texas, sorryHouston). I don't think the b-12 would Add either BYU or UC, they would have already been added if the need arose. I believe for the reasons stated multiple times before that the UCF/USF tandem is the b-12s best option for long term future success. Ucf had only one year to establish national relevance, certainly you are not suggesting that teams from c-USA are capable of establishing national relevance. Just for the record UCF has had 10 win seasons In Three of the last four seasons. UCF is hardly a "flash in the pan."

I’ve posted this suggestion several times: Exactly what you’ve posted in bold is how UCF and USF should approach the B12. In addition to this, both schools should tell the B12 that it would get two schools for the price of one. FOX would be all over that idea in my opinion….

How would they be getting two schools for the price of one? So the UCF/SF combo adds $40mm to the yearly tv contract? I just don't see it.

(07-10-2014 11:39 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 11:34 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 11:29 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 10:58 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  If the Big 12 was forced to expand by 2, imho, they take 1 Florida school and Cincy. SEC didn't need 2 Texas schools just 1, then they took Mizzou. 2 new markets. Big Ten did the same thing with Rutgers and MD, 2 new markets. In the older model SMU and Houston are the right candidates.

Big 12 has 2 Oklahoma schools, 2 kansas schools, and 2 Texas schools. No reason they wouldn't add 2 Florida schools `IF` they ever wanted to expand. Tampa and orlando are completely different markets. Adding both would give the big 12 a nice grab at all of the central Florida area.

3 Texas Schools. Also, what are the TV ratings like for USF and UCF? Do they actually "Capture" the market or do they just exist in it? Kind of like Tulane.

....or Tulsa.

Hahahah YOU GOT ME THERE!

(07-10-2014 11:41 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 11:32 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 11:18 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 11:03 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 10:07 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  They also have a legitimate basketball team, which can't be said for either Florida school. Get your basketball better then maybe.... maybe... they'd consider it seriously.

Well TCU basketball has always been a dominant force.

Exception in that they have a large Texas Fan Base and they Capture the Dallas Market which is huge.

So they capture the Dallas market? I say it is split between tcu, smu, and texas but they do offer a lot.

TCU's fanbase is no larger than UCF's, IMO.

But they are in the footprint.

(07-10-2014 11:49 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 11:45 AM)Underdog Wrote:  I’ve posted this suggestion several times: Exactly what you’ve posted in bold is how UCF and USF should approach the B12. In addition to this, both schools should tell the B12 that it would get two schools for the price of one. FOX would be all over that idea in my opinion….

How would they be getting two schools for the price of one? So the UCF/SF combo adds $40mm to the yearly tv contract? I just don't see it.

exactly its the opposite they arent getting 2 schols for thepricew of one, its actually they are paying twice as much (2 pieces of the of pie) for the size of 1 regular P5 team sized market (who control states)

(07-10-2014 11:49 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 11:45 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 09:55 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 08:46 AM)pesik Wrote:  it feels strange agreeing with quo but he's right, they won't add ucf and usf, 1 or the other,

they aren't cutting 2 pieces of the pie for essential 1 new p5 sized market, reading his argument (which is weak btw) all his points could be easily added with just 1 Florida

and this guy needs to wake up and realize recruiting ground, local rivalry (that has only played 5 times) and making the least influential member (wvu) happy aren't reasons why P5 expand

with that argument im guessing the p5 are considering FAU/FIU?

keep in mind the SEC turned down florida state because they felt adding them was unnecessary with 1 florrida (and fsu is no lite weight)

if the big 12 had no choice but to expand today they take byu and cincy, the 2 known commodities. the big 12 doesnt want byu but would take them if their hand was forced. ucf had a great season but that makes a total of 1 season of "national" revelance, they wont make a lifetime decision of what could "potentially" be a flash in the pan. if the expansion is in 5 years and ucf remains successful and grows it brand/reputation it will be them (or usf if they do it) and take another eastern team who's grown its brand the most in that time period

Let me make this abundantly clear. Tampa is the 18th largest market in the country and Orlando is the 20th, however when you add the two markets together they constitute the 4th largest market in the nation. One thing the b-12 needs more than anything for national relevance is markets (especially outside of Texas, sorryHouston). I don't think the b-12 would Add either BYU or UC, they would have already been added if the need arose. I believe for the reasons stated multiple times before that the UCF/USF tandem is the b-12s best option for long term future success. Ucf had only one year to establish national relevance, certainly you are not suggesting that teams from c-USA are capable of establishing national relevance. Just for the record UCF has had 10 win seasons In Three of the last four seasons. UCF is hardly a "flash in the pan."

I’ve posted this suggestion several times: Exactly what you’ve posted in bold is how UCF and USF should approach the B12. In addition to this, both schools should tell the B12 that it would get two schools for the price of one. FOX would be all over that idea in my opinion….

How would they be getting two schools for the price of one? So the UCF/SF combo adds $40mm to the yearly tv contract? I just don't see it.

UCF and USF offer to take a smaller payout since they would be new additions—it’s negotiable. Each B12 school will eventually get $20 mil each (TCU and WV payouts gradually increases). However, UCF and USF would offer to take less money ($10 mil each) for the length of the B12's current contract. Moreover, both schools are allowing FOX and the B12 into two markets for the price of one B12 school. Both schools initial payouts could start at $5 mil each and gradually increase to $10 mil. Once the B12’s current TV deal expires, the conference would negotiate a new contract and both schools would likely get equal payouts as the other B12 schools.

(07-10-2014 11:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 11:15 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 09:37 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 08:46 AM)pesik Wrote:  if the big 12 had no choice but to expand today they take byu and cincy, the 2 known commodities.

I don't see Cincy getting a P5 bid in the forseeable future. Ditto for UConn. IMO, just as Rutgers and UConn are redundant, such that only one would get a P5 bid, and just as USF and UCF are as well, I thought all along that Cincy and Louisville are, too. Cincy is just in too tight a box, surrounded on all sides by B1G and now ACC and SEC schools, to provide much value-added to the Big 12 or anyone else.

Everyone likes to talk about UofL getting picked "over" UConn, and that's how the ACC evidently framed it, but bigger picture, it was really Rutgers that got picked over UConn, and UofL over Cincy.

That is what TV execs want. Captive college TV viewers. A&M is getting much more viewers than Texas is now (nod to Johnny Football over the past 2 years) although they are surrounded by Big 12 schools. The Big 12 needs to expand their market and Ohio and Florida would good places to plant a flag. I am a Cincinnati guy and that is who I watch first and foremost,
but I probably watch AAC, Big Ten and SEC games equally.

I don't think it's fair to compare Cincy to Texas A/M. First, TAMU is not surrounded like Cincy is. They do have Texas in their backyard, but nobody else in the vicinity, and the nearest major city, Houston, is P5-free.

Also, TAMU is a traditional football power, they have been in a "power" conference for literally a century, as they were a founding member of the SWC in 1914. They are a gigantic land, sea, and space grant university with a $8 billion endowment and an immense fan base throughout Texas and the south/southwest. So they had a far bigger and broader 'footprint' of interest. Cincy, otoh, really is much more confined in terms of footprint.

I know about A&M. The idea Quo is you want your conference games, even the non marquee games, broadcast in populated markets that have a high % of college football audience. There are exceptions like adding Nebraska.
Back when we were in the Big east we had the dreaded Big East Game of the Week with John Congemi, lol I like him, and that was the non ESPN 12 Noon kick. However those games got broadcast to a ton of local stations in metro area all over the country. The better matchups ESPN would pick those up and there were usually regional.

I guarantee you if you put Cincy-Okie State on the sake time slot as Purdue-Iowa, Ohio viewers are going to tune into Cincy-Okie State more so than than the BIG game. And if the Big 12 is not in Ohio then then whoever Okie would have played never gets broadcast in Ohio.

I've wondered what might happen to the Big12 TV contract as they add schools. The deal they have in place now was negotiated with A&M and Mizzou, not TCU and WVU. I doubt the horned frogs and the neers pull the same TV $s if the conference was negotiating again. Which, if they added two more schools they would possibly have to renegotiate.

That being said I do like the idea of a USF/UCF combo but I don't know how much cents it makes. However, I think if they add two it is likely UC and Memphis.

(07-10-2014 11:58 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 11:49 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 11:45 AM)Underdog Wrote:  I’ve posted this suggestion several times: Exactly what you’ve posted in bold is how UCF and USF should approach the B12. In addition to this, both schools should tell the B12 that it would get two schools for the price of one. FOX would be all over that idea in my opinion….

How would they be getting two schools for the price of one? So the UCF/SF combo adds $40mm to the yearly tv contract? I just don't see it.

exactly its the opposite they arent getting 2 schols for thepricew of one, its actually they are paying twice as much (2 pieces of the of pie) for the size of 1 regular P5 team sized market (who control states)

You make a good point pesik (I’ll admit that) .... However, if USF had been added to the B12 with WV when the Big East was a power conference, your opinion wouldn't be the same. The move would have been viewed as one power conference school moving to another one. However, with the G5 tag now stuck on USF, a move to a power conference is viewed differently—as you have clearly demonstrated. Furthermore, if UCF can continue to succeed on the football field, those "2 pieces of the of pie" could become very tempting for the right price in my opinion….

(07-10-2014 12:09 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  I've wondered what might happen to the Big12 TV contract as they add schools. The deal they have in place now was negotiated with A&M and Mizzou, not TCU and WVU. I doubt the horned frogs and the neers pull the same TV $s if the conference was negotiating again. Which, if they added two more schools they would possibly have to renegotiate.

That being said I do like the idea of a USF/UCF combo but I don't know how much cents it makes. However, I think if they add two it is likely UC and Memphis.

I could be wrong, but it depends on how much $$ FOX is willing to pay for additional schools. The B12 only wants schools that can keep its payouts the same ($20+ mil). The way that I understand the contract (someone please correct me if I'm wrong): FOX is only willing to pay the B12 $15 mil a year for BYU. The difference would have to come from the other schools' payouts or BYU would have to agree the $15 mil payout. Regarding TCU and WV, FOX agreed to keep the TV $$$ the same with those two replacements—they were not additions to the B12.

"Prestige", a favorite topic of mine, has been a killer for the NonBCS conferences and teams. The chasing of the holy grail of "prestige" has not allowed the NonBCS conferences to organize themselves in a tight collective action to confront the many challenges put in front of them by BCS.

But "prestige" also runs rampart in the BCS conferences. By any measure, whether it is student enrollment, community support, tv audience, etc, UCF and USF are undoubtedly BCS schools.

Probably the greatest factor working against UCF and USF is that Florida U is in SEC and Florida State and Miami of Florida are in ACC. Any other BCS conference adding UCF and USF is going to be viewed at a "third rate" conference behind SEC and ACC.

Then, too, I don't think Florida U, FSU, and Miami want the increased competition for recruits by enhancing the status of UCF and USF. That is also probably true for SEC and ACC schools outside of Florida who also dip into Florida for recruits.

As both a BCS fan and a NonBCS fan, I have never under estimated the arrogance and obnoxiousness of BCS schools, especially schools like Texas and Oklahoma. But, then again, their attitude is no different than FSU and Miami, both of these Florida schools don't want UCF and USF to have an enhanced status and therefore a much more keener competitor for recruits....so FSU and Miami did not support UCF and USF for ACC but Louisiville, Syracuse, and Pitt.

So, in the final analysis, UCF and USF are not going to be invited to a BCS conference because these two Florida schools are unsuccessful. Rather, the reverse is true. The more successful UCF and USF become, the more the threat they are viewed by other BCS conferences and schools.

UCF beat B12 Champ Baylor in a BCS bowl and UCF fans cite that victory as a strong case for inclusion of UCF within B12. But people on this board must recognize human nature. UCF's victory over Baylor probably INCREASED the resistence of including UCF and USF in B12 and that is also true for all other BCS conferences. UCF scares the heck out of other BCS schools. If UCF, playing under the handicap of limited NonBCS conference opponents, monies, and bowls can still beat a BCS conference champion, then just how powerful would UCF become if the Knights were in a BCS conference? Again, this probably scares the heck out of the majority of BCS schools.

(07-10-2014 09:55 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 08:46 AM)pesik Wrote:  it feels strange agreeing with quo but he's right, they won't add ucf and usf, 1 or the other,

they aren't cutting 2 pieces of the pie for essential 1 new p5 sized market, reading his argument (which is weak btw) all his points could be easily added with just 1 Florida

and this guy needs to wake up and realize recruiting ground, local rivalry (that has only played 5 times) and making the least influential member (wvu) happy aren't reasons why P5 expand

with that argument im guessing the p5 are considering FAU/FIU?

keep in mind the SEC turned down florida state because they felt adding them was unnecessary with 1 florrida (and fsu is no lite weight)

if the big 12 had no choice but to expand today they take byu and cincy, the 2 known commodities. the big 12 doesnt want byu but would take them if their hand was forced. ucf had a great season but that makes a total of 1 season of "national" revelance, they wont make a lifetime decision of what could "potentially" be a flash in the pan. if the expansion is in 5 years and ucf remains successful and grows it brand/reputation it will be them (or usf if they do it) and take another eastern team who's grown its brand the most in that time period

Let me make this abundantly clear. Tampa is the 18th largest market in the country and Orlando is the 20th, however when you add the two markets together they constitute the 4th largest market in the nation. One thing the b-12 needs more than anything for national relevance is markets (especially outside of Texas, sorryHouston). I don't think the b-12 would Add either BYU or UC, they would have already been added if the need arose. I believe for the reasons stated multiple times before that the UCF/USF tandem is the b-12s best option for long term future success. Ucf had only one year to establish national relevance, certainly you are not suggesting that teams from c-USA are capable of establishing national relevance. Just for the record UCF has had 10 win seasons In Three of the last four seasons. UCF is hardly a "flash in the pan."

10-win seasons in the last 10 years:

5 Cincinnati
4 UCF
4 Tulsa
3 Houston
2 Navy
1 East Carolina
0 Connecticut
0 Memphis
0 South Florida
0 SMU
0 Temple
0 Tulane

(07-10-2014 12:42 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 12:09 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  I've wondered what might happen to the Big12 TV contract as they add schools. The deal they have in place now was negotiated with A&M and Mizzou, not TCU and WVU. I doubt the horned frogs and the neers pull the same TV $s if the conference was negotiating again. Which, if they added two more schools they would possibly have to renegotiate.

That being said I do like the idea of a USF/UCF combo but I don't know how much cents it makes. However, I think if they add two it is likely UC and Memphis.

I could be wrong, but it depends on how much $$ FOX is willing to pay for additional schools. The B12 only wants schools that can keep its payouts the same ($20+ mil). The way that I understand the contract (someone please correct me if I'm wrong): FOX is only willing to pay the B12 $15 mil a year for BYU. The difference would have to come from the other schools' payouts or BYU would have to agree the $15 mil payout. Regarding TCU and WV, FOX agreed to keep the TV $$$ the same with those two replacements—they were not additions to the B12.

I do not believe you are correct when you say Fox is only willling to pay $15 million a year for BYU. I have never read or heard anything like that. I think the negotiations between the Big12 and BYU broke off because BYU insisted on retaining certain TV rights exclusive of the Big12 contract