Going away from what/where?

Cowboy Junky Wrote:You started drinking your own kool aid. Welcome back to the real world. Even the worlds largest cupcake bakery can't make your conference look like national contenders. You may have three teams in the top 25, but not one national title contender.

As a reminder, if the MWC adds Boise State this year, like I think they will, we'll likely have three top 25 teams as well. You should just stop comparing yourself to the SEC and change your name to the Mountain East to reflect your level of play.

Is BYU at 10-2, TCU at 10-2, and Boise at 12-0 any worse than WVU, Louisville, and Rutgers at 11-1. Most people don't think it is. Especially after you compare the ooc shedules of all six of those teams.

Get used to it Big East. You're now the Mountain East Conference.

lmfao lmfao lmfao lmfao

The MWC is not going to add Boise state this year or anytime soon. They are trying to get an autobid, and probably will. The last thing they need is another tiny market. If they go to 12 teams they will add UTEP, Houston and Fresno. That 'very nearly' happened when TCU joined the league and its all market size driven.

1. How many conferences DO have a NC contender? My count would be two (or possibly one). Does that mean only two conferences deserve BCS membership? lmfao

2. If you were going to add Boise, why didn't you by now?

TopCoog Wrote:The MWC is not going to add Boise state this year or anytime soon. They are trying to get an autobid, and probably will. The last thing they need is another tiny market. If they go to 12 teams they will add UTEP, Houston and Fresno. That 'very nearly' happened when TCU joined the league and its all market size driven.

True. The rumor among a lot of MWC people is that Boise would be a relatively hard sell to MWC presidents. If there was expansion Boise would be near the top of the list, but not nearly a lock. It goes beyond their football ranking. Fresno would be a VERY hard sell to the MWC presidents. That's the rumor.

CatsClaw Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:The MWC is not going to add Boise state this year or anytime soon. They are trying to get an autobid, and probably will. The last thing they need is another tiny market. If they go to 12 teams they will add UTEP, Houston and Fresno. That 'very nearly' happened when TCU joined the league and its all market size driven.

True. The rumor among a lot of MWC people is that Boise would be a relatively hard sell to MWC presidents. If there was expansion Boise would be near the top of the list, but not nearly a lock. It goes beyond their football ranking. Fresno would be a VERY hard sell to the MWC presidents. That's the rumor.

When TCU went to the MWC you might rmember that the MWC said for two weeks that our first decision is whether to add one team or four. We very nearly left with TCU but would not go without a BCS assurance. The trememdous travel expenses simply would not be worth it without the BCS revenue. That said, in 2010 UH will have endowed 'all' of our athletic scholarships and that gives us options we did not have in the past.
Nobody is going to the MWC without a BCS autobid in the deal and why would the MWC really want to expand unless they had to. My guess is that nothing will happen for a few years and if the MWC does expand they will add those teams which help them the most.

Who has the MWC beaten this year? Texas Tech and, Texas Tech and...
The BE beat a slew of ACC teams

TopCoog Wrote:The MWC is not going to add Boise state this year or anytime soon. They are trying to get an autobid, and probably will. The last thing they need is another tiny market. If they go to 12 teams they will add UTEP, Houston and Fresno. That 'very nearly' happened when TCU joined the league and its all market size driven.

The Mountain West isn't likely to get an auto-bid. They haven't performed well enough over the past three years to get one and their markets simply aren't good enough to force the issue.

Cheers,
Neil

omnicarrier Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:The MWC is not going to add Boise state this year or anytime soon. They are trying to get an autobid, and probably will. The last thing they need is another tiny market. If they go to 12 teams they will add UTEP, Houston and Fresno. That 'very nearly' happened when TCU joined the league and its all market size driven.

The Mountain West isn't likely to get an auto-bid. They haven't performed well enough over the past three years to get one and their markets simply aren't good enough to force the issue.

Cheers,
Neil

I think they might. The head BCS guy said a few months ago that he could see the BCS going to seven but not beyond. He went on to say that they were likely to be more inclusive. Obviously the new agreement is a big step toward inclusion and its obvious that college football has more parity every year. (Boise beat and Oregon St team 48-14 and that team beat USC.) i do not think they'll add another league under this agreement but when it expaires it is highly likely.
i kind of like the new agreement. A non auto bid team will get in if they go undefeated. It might not be perfect but its fair enough. At least you can play your way in. If Boise wins out they'll be in, if not they can go somewhere else.

Top Coog, you are in the TV Business so I will ask your honest opinion.

Rutgers is now the new hot item in NYC, if they are able to keep Schiano and keep their current momentum how much value would they add to a Big East TV contract in about 4 years.

Also, are you surprised at the TV Viewship the Big East has gotten the past two weeks in it marquee games.

Cowboy Junky Wrote:You started drinking your own kool aid. Welcome back to the real world. Even the worlds largest cupcake bakery can't make your conference look like national contenders. You may have three teams in the top 25, but not one national title contender.

As a reminder, if the MWC adds Boise State this year, like I think they will, we'll likely have three top 25 teams as well. You should just stop comparing yourself to the SEC and change your name to the Mountain East to reflect your level of play.

Is BYU at 10-2, TCU at 10-2, and Boise at 12-0 any worse than WVU, Louisville, and Rutgers at 11-1. Most people don't think it is. Especially after you compare the ooc shedules of all six of those teams.

Get used to it Big East. You're now the Mountain East Conference.

Are you by any chance Lee Corso or Dan Patrick themselves? Honestly three top ten team beating each other with three more good teams in Pitt, Cincy, and USF, and Syracuse and Connecticut who aren't completely awful shows the signs of an incredibly deep conference. I know you got off to them bashing us so you had to come over here and start up your crap again. Seriously we do still have a National Championship contender, its name is Rutgers. We got some help today with Cal losing, Florida getting all it could handle, and Auburn getting taken to the woodshed. I watched all of those games too. Trust me the miracle of Rutgers marches on. Look at all the numbers who did any of these other conferences play? What are their teams rated? What are the records? Actually surprisingly we're better in all three of these categories. We compare quite favorably with the SEC, Big Ten, and Pac 10. We're also much better and much deeper than the ACC or the Big 12. And as for your sorry conference, its 15 fans, and its lack of civilization out in the mountains and desert we're light years ahead of you. One of our so called bottom feeders in Syracuse I do recall beat your middle of the pack team your very own Wyoming Cowboys. Oh thats right you still can't even watch your teams on your phantom television station. While over here in BIG EAST land we're earning ESPN some of its best ratings, producing exciting football, and beginning to take over the New York market at long last and name it not only a College Football town but a Rutgers town. Cowboy you'll come back with more baseless, no facts to back it up rhetoric I'm sure but bottom line is, your conference still sucks.

TopCoog Wrote:

omnicarrier Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:The MWC is not going to add Boise state this year or anytime soon. They are trying to get an autobid, and probably will. The last thing they need is another tiny market. If they go to 12 teams they will add UTEP, Houston and Fresno. That 'very nearly' happened when TCU joined the league and its all market size driven.

The Mountain West isn't likely to get an auto-bid. They haven't performed well enough over the past three years to get one and their markets simply aren't good enough to force the issue.

Cheers,
Neil

I think they might. The head BCS guy said a few months ago that he could see the BCS going to seven but not beyond. He went on to say that they were likely to be more inclusive. Obviously the new agreement is a big step toward inclusion and its obvious that college football has more parity every year. (Boise beat and Oregon St team 48-14 and that team beat USC.) i do not think they'll add another league under this agreement but when it expaires it is highly likely.
i kind of like the new agreement. A non auto bid team will get in if they go undefeated. It might not be perfect but its fair enough. At least you can play your way in. If Boise wins out they'll be in, if not they can go somewhere else.

Well, it's not as simple as going undefeated and being in a BCS bowl. Back in 2004, Boise had enough of the votes and enough strength in the computers to be a Top 12 team. This year, even going undefeated, that is still in doubt. Of course with a lot of 1-loss teams losing today, their chances just improved, but it isn't a foregone conclusion.

Boise's best hope still remains going undefeated and hoping the ACC champion is ranked lower than them. Of course the trap game for them is @Nevada at the end of the season. The Wolf Pack are much better than expected this season and seem to be steamrolling over their opponents these past few weeks.


Cheers,
Neil

Maize Wrote:Top Coog, you are in the TV Business so I will ask your honest opinion.

Rutgers is now the new hot item in NYC, if they are able to keep Schiano and keep their current momentum how much value would they add to a Big East TV contract in about 4 years.

Also, are you surprised at the TV Viewship the Big East has gotten the past two weeks in it marquee games.

Everyone has their day and this is Rutgers day. The Big East is obviously soild as a rock right now. They have everything they need
1. huge market
2. large state school
3. wealthy alumni base

I'm sure the Rutgers people will tell us that they have not won in past years because their administration was not supportive. That is usually why a school like that does not win. There is not a reason in the world why they cannot be another Penn State. I tuned into a high school post game show last night in beaumont Texas and they were talking about Rutgers.

The emergence of Rutgers will have its biggest impact on Big East bowl negioations. Better bowls is the highest priority the league now faces and this will mke the difference. I honestly do not see Rutgers falling off.
The TV contract will be stronger no doubt. As for the bowls I think you will see more of these sharing deals like Gator/Sun, Ft Worth/Hawaii. You'll come out with another Fla. bowl before long.

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SF Husky Wrote:I just want to see Rutgers play Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl. That would be a close game. [/color]

Boise almost lost to San Jose State tonight. While they're a good program and they're having a great year, I don't think they would know what to do against the Rutgers Defense. It would only be close because we don't usually score more than 30 points.

omnicarrier Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

omnicarrier Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:The MWC is not going to add Boise state this year or anytime soon. They are trying to get an autobid, and probably will. The last thing they need is another tiny market. If they go to 12 teams they will add UTEP, Houston and Fresno. That 'very nearly' happened when TCU joined the league and its all market size driven.

The Mountain West isn't likely to get an auto-bid. They haven't performed well enough over the past three years to get one and their markets simply aren't good enough to force the issue.

Cheers,
Neil

I think they might. The head BCS guy said a few months ago that he could see the BCS going to seven but not beyond. He went on to say that they were likely to be more inclusive. Obviously the new agreement is a big step toward inclusion and its obvious that college football has more parity every year. (Boise beat and Oregon St team 48-14 and that team beat USC.) i do not think they'll add another league under this agreement but when it expaires it is highly likely.
i kind of like the new agreement. A non auto bid team will get in if they go undefeated. It might not be perfect but its fair enough. At least you can play your way in. If Boise wins out they'll be in, if not they can go somewhere else.

Well, it's not as simple as going undefeated and being in a BCS bowl. Back in 2004, Boise had enough of the votes and enough strength in the computers to be a Top 12 team. This year, even going undefeated, that is still in doubt. Of course with a lot of 1-loss teams losing today, their chances just improved, but it isn't a foregone conclusion.

Boise's best hope still remains going undefeated and hoping the ACC champion is ranked lower than them. Of course the trap game for them is @Nevada at the end of the season. The Wolf Pack are much better than expected this season and seem to be steamrolling over their opponents these past few weeks.


Cheers,
Neil

Oh I think if they win out thy'll be in the top 12. The BCS folks really do not need to leave an undefeated Boise out. They really took a PR beating with the Cowan thing and it led to this new system. They'll want to include those teams every chance they get. The Utah fiesta bowl was a positive thaing as well. They look unreasonable and greedy when they want to cut half of college football out of the system and they have no desire to go down that road especially with two extra spots. Now if Boise does not preform, thats another matter. They have to win these games.

TopCoog Wrote:

omnicarrier Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

omnicarrier Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:The MWC is not going to add Boise state this year or anytime soon. They are trying to get an autobid, and probably will. The last thing they need is another tiny market. If they go to 12 teams they will add UTEP, Houston and Fresno. That 'very nearly' happened when TCU joined the league and its all market size driven.

The Mountain West isn't likely to get an auto-bid. They haven't performed well enough over the past three years to get one and their markets simply aren't good enough to force the issue.

Cheers,
Neil

I think they might. The head BCS guy said a few months ago that he could see the BCS going to seven but not beyond. He went on to say that they were likely to be more inclusive. Obviously the new agreement is a big step toward inclusion and its obvious that college football has more parity every year. (Boise beat and Oregon St team 48-14 and that team beat USC.) i do not think they'll add another league under this agreement but when it expaires it is highly likely.
i kind of like the new agreement. A non auto bid team will get in if they go undefeated. It might not be perfect but its fair enough. At least you can play your way in. If Boise wins out they'll be in, if not they can go somewhere else.

Well, it's not as simple as going undefeated and being in a BCS bowl. Back in 2004, Boise had enough of the votes and enough strength in the computers to be a Top 12 team. This year, even going undefeated, that is still in doubt. Of course with a lot of 1-loss teams losing today, their chances just improved, but it isn't a foregone conclusion.

Boise's best hope still remains going undefeated and hoping the ACC champion is ranked lower than them. Of course the trap game for them is @Nevada at the end of the season. The Wolf Pack are much better than expected this season and seem to be steamrolling over their opponents these past few weeks.


Cheers,
Neil

Oh I think if they win out thy'll be in the top 12.

We'll see. But at this same time in 2004 the computers had them Top 10 while the voters had them 12 and 13. And by the end of that season the computers had them 7th while the voters only got them to 10.

The computers don't like them as much this year and with Boise's close win over San Jose State today, look for Wisconsin, Oklahoma (if they hang on), GT, and Wake to gain ground on the Broncos with the voters. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see two of those teams pass them in the human polls.

And while Tennessee will fall behind all of them and California might do so as well, Auburn will not fall that far.

Quote:The BCS folks really do not need to leave an undefeated Boise out. They really took a PR beating with the Cowan thing and it led to this new system. They'll want to include those teams every chance they get. The Utah fiesta bowl was a positive thaing as well. They look unreasonable and greedy when they want to cut half of college football out of the system and they have no desire to go down that road especially with two extra spots.

I'd like to believe the above, but I think it's a naive take on the reality of the issues involved.

Cheers,
Neil

TopCoog Wrote:

Maize Wrote:Top Coog, you are in the TV Business so I will ask your honest opinion.

Rutgers is now the new hot item in NYC, if they are able to keep Schiano and keep their current momentum how much value would they add to a Big East TV contract in about 4 years.

Also, are you surprised at the TV Viewship the Big East has gotten the past two weeks in it marquee games.

Everyone has their day and this is Rutgers day. The Big East is obviously soild as a rock right now. They have everything they need
1. huge market
2. large state school
3. wealthy alumni base

I'm sure the Rutgers people will tell us that they have not won in past years because their administration was not supportive. That is usually why a school like that does not win. There is not a reason in the world why they cannot be another Penn State. I tuned into a high school post game show last night in beaumont Texas and they were talking about Rutgers.

The emergence of Rutgers will have its biggest impact on Big East bowl negioations. Better bowls is the highest priority the league now faces and this will mke the difference. I honestly do not see Rutgers falling off.
The TV contract will be stronger no doubt. As for the bowls I think you will see more of these sharing deals like Gator/Sun, Ft Worth/Hawaii. You'll come out with another Fla. bowl before long.

If UCONN ever becomes good and with RU being solid, the rivalry game will be huge for the Tri-state area. NYC will be all over it and I can see the game being played at the Giants Stadium.

NYC is starving for another team to call its own.

Cowboy Junky Wrote:You started drinking your own kool aid. Welcome back to the real world. Even the worlds largest cupcake bakery can't make your conference look like national contenders. You may have three teams in the top 25, but not one national title contender.

As a reminder, if the MWC adds Boise State this year, like I think they will, we'll likely have three top 25 teams as well. You should just stop comparing yourself to the SEC and change your name to the Mountain East to reflect your level of play.

Is BYU at 10-2, TCU at 10-2, and Boise at 12-0 any worse than WVU, Louisville, and Rutgers at 11-1. Most people don't think it is. Especially after you compare the ooc shedules of all six of those teams.

Get used to it Big East. You're now the Mountain East Conference.

1. Boise isn't in or going to the MWC. Most of the MWC Presidents don't want them and why would they leave the WAC with no guarantee of BCS Membership.

2. With Auburn, Texas and Cal losing guess what you will STILL HAVE 3 Big East teams in the Top 10.

3. Last I checked only Boise was in the BCS Top 25 and like I said above they are not in your league. On the other hand if UofL, WVU and RU are 11-1 look for all three to be no worse then Top 12.

Yeaaaah, the Mountain West finally got a team in the BCS standings again. BYU squeaked in at #25. :clap2:

The Big East Conference is light years ahead of the foothills billy goat conference....next.....