(07-02-2014 12:15 AM)Green Menace Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 10:59 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  I know but you said 9-2

The historical site says 9-2.

I was at that game. games of any kind between uta and n. texas were usually hard fought and great for fans. I remember a basketball game where we were thumping them and some fans were chanting "scoreboard scoreboard" and then their fans started chanting "we have football we have football"..they are two large universities not far apart and there is a lot of competition between the two..

(07-01-2014 10:20 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 10:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 10:07 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 04:05 PM)RamblinRedWolf44 Wrote:  seriously if lamar can jump start football back up, why can't UTA?

Lamar might be rethinking their decision to bring football back. Their home attendance is awful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Lamar_...tball_team

Those aren't awful numbers for FCS.

http://txprepsfootball.com/archives/state-records

I'm not sure what relevance record Texas High School playoff attendance has to do with anything relating to bringing the sport back except that Texas loves its high school football. Three of those records including the #2 game involved a school 9 miles away from Provost Umphrey Stadium.

To help bring this back to UTA and football, below are some of the things that UTA administrators are probably considering....

According to the Department of Education Equity in Athletics, Lamar football made a profit the previous season ($3,612,607 in revenue vs $3,582,771 in expenses).

In addition to paid attendance, there several things things that help finance the program while it is being established.
1. Student Athletic Fees Help - Athletic fees the students approved @ $9.71 per class hour brings in over $2,174,000 per year to the athletics program. (Texas State @ $20.00 per semester hour brings in a lot more.)
2. Ability to schedule at least one money game per year - Money games like Oklahoma State ($300,000 with us an FCS program. The same contract had terms that our payment would have been $900,000 as an FBS program) and Louisiana Tech last year, Texas A&M this year, and Baylor next year also help.
3. Support from Alumni and Friends - Donations from over 700 members in the Cardinal Club help also. (Based on seating selection, a lot of the donations are at least $250.00 per person per year. Some donations are up to $10,000.)
4. Sweet spot in ticket pricing. Don't over price the ticket, but don't under price either. We could increase attendance by lowering the ticket price, but revenue would decrease. Our highest priced season footall tickets, including required donations, are $400.00 each. (My wife and I have two of those seats.) That's close to what I used to pay for season tickets at Texas A&M a few years ago ($400 vs $440). The seven suites, which bring in $25,000 per year for 15 seats, bring in additional revenue.
5. Corporate support - Like most programs, games have corporate sponsorship. Every game I attended last year had inexpensive give-aways by corporations, most of the time there were two or three major corporations per game.
6. Major Donors - A lot of multi-million dollar donations over the last five years also help. Those donations helped mainly fund the renovations and new construction, but each dollar that is donated is one dollar less of ticket sales revenue which would have otherwise been required for debt retirement.

I am not one to defend Lamar...but there attendance numbers are pretty decent for FCS. The only FCS teams who ever draw a crowd are either in FBS Now, or were located in North Dakota and Montana.

(07-03-2014 02:36 PM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 10:20 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 10:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 10:07 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 04:05 PM)RamblinRedWolf44 Wrote:  seriously if lamar can jump start football back up, why can't UTA?

Lamar might be rethinking their decision to bring football back. Their home attendance is awful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Lamar_...tball_team

Those aren't awful numbers for FCS.

http://txprepsfootball.com/archives/state-records

I'm not sure what relevance record Texas High School playoff attendance has to do with anything relating to bringing the sport back except that Texas loves its high school football. Three of those records including the #2 game involved a school 9 miles away from Provost Umphrey Stadium.

To help bring this back to UTA and football, below are some of the things that UTA administrators are probably considering....

According to the Department of Education Equity in Athletics, Lamar football made a profit the previous season ($3,612,607 in revenue vs $3,582,771 in expenses).

In addition to paid attendance, there several things things that help finance the program while it is being established.
1. Student Athletic Fees Help - Athletic fees the students approved @ $9.71 per class hour brings in over $2,174,000 per year to the athletics program. (Texas State @ $20.00 per semester hour brings in a lot more.)
2. Ability to schedule at least one money game per year - Money games like Oklahoma State ($300,000 with us an FCS program. The same contract had terms that our payment would have been $900,000 as an FBS program) and Louisiana Tech last year, Texas A&M this year, and Baylor next year also help.
3. Support from Alumni and Friends - Donations from over 700 members in the Cardinal Club help also. (Based on seating selection, a lot of the donations are at least $250.00 per person per year. Some donations are up to $10,000.)
4. Sweet spot in ticket pricing. Don't over price the ticket, but don't under price either. We could increase attendance by lowering the ticket price, but revenue would decrease. Our highest priced season footall tickets, including required donations, are $400.00 each. (My wife and I have two of those seats.) That's close to what I used to pay for season tickets at Texas A&M a few years ago ($400 vs $440). The seven suites, which bring in $25,000 per year for 15 seats, bring in additional revenue.
5. Corporate support - Like most programs, games have corporate sponsorship. Every game I attended last year had inexpensive give-aways by corporations, most of the time there were two or three major corporations per game.
6. Major Donors - A lot of multi-million dollar donations over the last five years also help. Those donations helped mainly fund the renovations and new construction, but each dollar that is donated is one dollar less of ticket sales revenue which would have otherwise been required for debt retirement.

I lived in Lake Charles for about seven years and went to Beaumont many times. They do seem to care about Lamar Basketball but their football loyalties lies elsewhere. SELU got rid of football back in the 80's and brought it back. They are a top 1-AA team but only get about 6,000 a game. Some schools should stay in 1-AA. McNeese that has a great football tradition still doesn't come close to 1-A numbers. I would be very supportive of Lamar being a basketball only member.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_McNees...tball_team

(07-03-2014 04:19 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 02:36 PM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 10:20 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 10:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 10:07 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  Lamar might be rethinking their decision to bring football back. Their home attendance is awful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Lamar_...tball_team

Those aren't awful numbers for FCS.

http://txprepsfootball.com/archives/state-records

I'm not sure what relevance record Texas High School playoff attendance has to do with anything relating to bringing the sport back except that Texas loves its high school football. Three of those records including the #2 game involved a school 9 miles away from Provost Umphrey Stadium.

To help bring this back to UTA and football, below are some of the things that UTA administrators are probably considering....

According to the Department of Education Equity in Athletics, Lamar football made a profit the previous season ($3,612,607 in revenue vs $3,582,771 in expenses).

In addition to paid attendance, there several things things that help finance the program while it is being established.
1. Student Athletic Fees Help - Athletic fees the students approved @ $9.71 per class hour brings in over $2,174,000 per year to the athletics program. (Texas State @ $20.00 per semester hour brings in a lot more.)
2. Ability to schedule at least one money game per year - Money games like Oklahoma State ($300,000 with us an FCS program. The same contract had terms that our payment would have been $900,000 as an FBS program) and Louisiana Tech last year, Texas A&M this year, and Baylor next year also help.
3. Support from Alumni and Friends - Donations from over 700 members in the Cardinal Club help also. (Based on seating selection, a lot of the donations are at least $250.00 per person per year. Some donations are up to $10,000.)
4. Sweet spot in ticket pricing. Don't over price the ticket, but don't under price either. We could increase attendance by lowering the ticket price, but revenue would decrease. Our highest priced season footall tickets, including required donations, are $400.00 each. (My wife and I have two of those seats.) That's close to what I used to pay for season tickets at Texas A&M a few years ago ($400 vs $440). The seven suites, which bring in $25,000 per year for 15 seats, bring in additional revenue.
5. Corporate support - Like most programs, games have corporate sponsorship. Every game I attended last year had inexpensive give-aways by corporations, most of the time there were two or three major corporations per game.
6. Major Donors - A lot of multi-million dollar donations over the last five years also help. Those donations helped mainly fund the renovations and new construction, but each dollar that is donated is one dollar less of ticket sales revenue which would have otherwise been required for debt retirement.

I lived in Lake Charles for about seven years and went to Beaumont many times. They do seem to care about Lamar Basketball but their football loyalties lies elsewhere. SELU got rid of football back in the 80's and brought it back. They are a top 1-AA team but only get about 6,000 a game. Some schools should stay in 1-AA. McNeese that has a great football tradition still doesn't come close to 1-A numbers. I would be very supportive of Lamar being a basketball only member.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_McNees...tball_team

there was a time when mcneese would have over capacity attendance..

McNeese throttled someone from the AAC this past year at their place.....IIRC it was South Florida. And I mean throttled 'em.

Lamar used to play some pretty good basketball back in the Beryl Shipley days. It was an intense rivalry. Don't recall their football ever doing much of anything though.

(07-03-2014 07:27 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  McNeese throttled someone from the AAC this past year at their place.....IIRC it was South Florida. And I mean throttled 'em.

Lamar used to play some pretty good basketball back in the Beryl Shipley days. It was an intense rivalry. Don't recall their football ever doing much of anything though.

when I first saw this thread about n. texas/uta games I looked up the alltime football results for uta when they were 1-a. 71-81 and we played lamar many times. another school that we used to play was west texas a-m which used to be west texas state. I was surprised to see that they beat arizona and arizona state and col. state among others but since those days have faded to obscurity..becoming an a-m school probably had much to do with that but it shows how the leadership can take a school one way or another that will have such a long lasting affect. same thing with mcneese..back when the old southland conf. schools were faced with downgrading to 1-aa, mcneese was theonly school that had the required attendance numbers but they opted to drop down. latech and usl and stAte and untexas all moved on. uta eventually dropped football all together.

(07-04-2014 08:25 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 07:27 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  McNeese throttled someone from the AAC this past year at their place.....IIRC it was South Florida. And I mean throttled 'em.

Lamar used to play some pretty good basketball back in the Beryl Shipley days. It was an intense rivalry. Don't recall their football ever doing much of anything though.

when I first saw this thread about n. texas/uta games I looked up the alltime football results for uta when they were 1-a. 71-81 and we played lamar many times. another school that we used to play was west texas a-m which used to be west texas state. I was surprised to see that they beat arizona and arizona state and col. state among others but since those days have faded to obscurity..becoming an a-m school probably had much to do with that but it shows how the leadership can take a school one way or another that will have such a long lasting affect. same thing with mcneese..back when the old southland conf. schools were faced with downgrading to 1-aa, mcneese was theonly school that had the required attendance numbers but they opted to drop down. latech and usl and stAte and untexas all moved on. uta eventually dropped football all together.

Good post run......and the bolded part is why I'm as confient as I'v ever been that the future is bright for the Cajun program. 35+ years under the thumb of a president who didn't see the benefit of athletics. He's now gone and the new guy's attitude is 180 the opposite.

(07-04-2014 09:11 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 08:25 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(07-03-2014 07:27 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  McNeese throttled someone from the AAC this past year at their place.....IIRC it was South Florida. And I mean throttled 'em.

Lamar used to play some pretty good basketball back in the Beryl Shipley days. It was an intense rivalry. Don't recall their football ever doing much of anything though.

when I first saw this thread about n. texas/uta games I looked up the alltime football results for uta when they were 1-a. 71-81 and we played lamar many times. another school that we used to play was west texas a-m which used to be west texas state. I was surprised to see that they beat arizona and arizona state and col. state among others but since those days have faded to obscurity..becoming an a-m school probably had much to do with that but it shows how the leadership can take a school one way or another that will have such a long lasting affect. same thing with mcneese..back when the old southland conf. schools were faced with downgrading to 1-aa, mcneese was theonly school that had the required attendance numbers but they opted to drop down. latech and usl and stAte and untexas all moved on. uta eventually dropped football all together.

Good post run......and the bolded part is why I'm as confient as I'v ever been that the future is bright for the Cajun program. 35+ years under the thumb of a president who didn't see the benefit of athletics. He's now gone and the new guy's attitude is 180 the opposite.

you guys have been on fire lately..can we borrow your pres. for a few years. actually with our new 78 mil. arena and now baseball/softball complex upgrade, we are starting to take some baby steps.

(07-03-2014 07:27 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  McNeese throttled someone from the AAC this past year at their place.....IIRC it was South Florida. And I mean throttled 'em.

Lamar used to play some pretty good basketball back in the Beryl Shipley days. It was an intense rivalry. Don't recall their football ever doing much of anything though.

South Florida, who doubled as one of the worst teams in FBS this year.

McNeese use to be called football U. They take it very very seriously. Even at the expense of academics. McNeese fans are more than happy to cheer for their high school on Friday and LSU and McNeese in that order on Saturday.

Back to the original post. What a great find. Seeing videos like that absolutely makes me sick for several reasons.

First, we obviously don't have what we used to. Seeing UTA football clips is almost like seeing bigfoot or finding Atlantis.

Second, there were a lot of future NFLer's on both sides in that video. I see those clips and I see fast-paced, hard-hitting football. Despite consistent 5-6 seasons, UTA really had good teams and talent. Despite the talent, they were rarely above .500 two games into the season. Another reason for the ultimate demise of the team. It is hard to support mediocrity.

UTA may be the best case study on how not to move to the higher level. Just about every move they made, opponents scheduling, moving off campus, not giving additional dollars after the move, not investing in staff, etc. just helped in killing off support. UTA single-handed went from leading the SLC in attendance in 1968 to dead last in 1970 (they may have been ahead of Lamar some years). It never recovered from there.

Can someone splain me something? If I read that schedule of results of North Texas State for that year, most of their wins were over teams with losing records. How does that get one to #17 in the country?

(07-05-2014 09:23 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  Can someone splain me something? If I read that schedule of results of North Texas State for that year, most of their wins were over teams with losing records. How does that get one to #17 in the country?

I saw that too. I do believe that still goes on today.

(07-05-2014 02:37 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Back to the original post. What a great find. Seeing videos like that absolutely makes me sick for several reasons.

First, we obviously don't have what we used to. Seeing UTA football clips is almost like seeing bigfoot or finding Atlantis.

Second, there were a lot of future NFLer's on both sides in that video. I see those clips and I see fast-paced, hard-hitting football. Despite consistent 5-6 seasons, UTA really had good teams and talent. Despite the talent, they were rarely above .500 two games into the season. Another reason for the ultimate demise of the team. It is hard to support mediocrity.

UTA may be the best case study on how not to move to the higher level. Just about every move they made, opponents scheduling, moving off campus, not giving additional dollars after the move, not investing in staff, etc. just helped in killing off support. UTA single-handed went from leading the SLC in attendance in 1968 to dead last in 1970 (they may have been ahead of Lamar some years). It never recovered from there.

as a maverick club member and seat purchaser at our stadium I often argued with ad bill reeves about the direction we were heading. the leadership then seemed to have no vision at all. I often pointed out that while it seemed that every other school was constantly looking for ways to improve we were going the other way. I remember the days when we had a top 25 swim program and would thump big name programs at the natatorium, I remember having some of the best womens teams. I remember when everybody started a soccer team we had a pretty good one but then the other schools funded theirs and ours went away. for over 40 years we had no basketball facility..would any university anywhere operate that way?. while it is true that uta for many years was a working mans school with many going to night classes and weekends and there werent many students living on campus, that has all changed now with 34,000 students and 150,000 alumni and many top flight programs and large numbers of students living on campus. many of us who have supported the school over the years are frustrated that the sports programs are not at a higher level. I remember when uab decided to have a basketball team, hired gene bartow and immediately became a respected program and I pointed that out to our ad. we couldnt even get a decent place to play. the killing blow to me lately was the start-up of football at utsa. being from san antonio I would not even consider going to school there, they have literally no facilities, few students living on campus and a long standing local image of a commuter school yet they merely decided that to be a "real" university they needed to have football and the rest is history. stuff like that leaves us uta supporters scratching our heads..