(06-27-2014 02:03 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 01:20 PM)lance99 Wrote:  AAC fan boys need to stop with this. The MWC seems to have no interest in this. Just accept that you C-USA leftovers are a G5 conference and move on.

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I don't think there are any AAC fans who want to see a merger with the MWC. Overall that would hurt the AAC more than help it.

The want Bosie(because of the run), Air Force(military, but wood have to take Wyoming and Colorado State also) and San Deigo State(market). INSANITY thinking. For some of them, it is an inferiority complex.

(06-27-2014 02:03 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 01:20 PM)lance99 Wrote:  AAC fan boys need to stop with this. The MWC seems to have no interest in this. Just accept that you C-USA leftovers are a G5 conference and move on.

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I don't think there are any AAC fans who want to see a merger with the MWC. Overall that would hurt the AAC more than help it.

Too much travel, doesn't make sense. I like our games played in the Eastern time zone, and 1 trip to either Houston or DFW (to play the Cougars or SMU).

(06-27-2014 02:09 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 01:38 PM)Maize Wrote:  Merger without the Fat:

American Division
South Florida
Central Florida
Cincinnati
UConn
East Carolina
Navy
Memphis
Temple

Mountain Division
Tulane
Houston
SMU
Boise State
Fresno State
Air Force
BYU
San Diego State

I like this trim the fat conference better

East
UConn, Cincy, UCF, USF, Memphis, Navy FB

West
BYU, New Mexico, Houston, SMU, Col. ST., AFA FB

The east division NEEDS East Carolina football - it would be foolish to leave them out since their attendance is greater than all the other schools in your east.

The average attendance for the MW/AAC schools is about 33K http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statis...attendance

ECU averages 44K and has held that average for years. ECU committed to football in the 1960's when some of the current members of the two conferences were de-committing and well before the FBS rush that stated in the 1990's.

(06-27-2014 02:14 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 02:09 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 01:38 PM)Maize Wrote:  Merger without the Fat:

American Division
South Florida
Central Florida
Cincinnati
UConn
East Carolina
Navy
Memphis
Temple

Mountain Division
Tulane
Houston
SMU
Boise State
Fresno State
Air Force
BYU
San Diego State

I like this trim the fat conference better

East
UConn, Cincy, UCF, USF, Memphis, Navy FB

West
BYU, New Mexico, Houston, SMU, Col. ST., AFA FB

The east division NEEDS East Carolina football - it would be foolish to leave them out since their attendance is greater than all the other schools in your east.

American Division
South Florida
Central Florida
Cincinnati
East Carolina
UConn
Memphis
Temple

Mountain Division
Tulane
Houston
SMU
Navy
Air Force
BYU
San Diego State

Yes...ECU and Tulane would be just right....

(06-27-2014 12:46 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  The only move to make is an all-sports best of the rest conference. It'd be a mostly AAC/MWC line-up with the fat cut-out...

The problem with that idea, is that it's not really possible. To have only the "best" out of both conferences, you would have to expel some current members from each conference. You could never, IMO, convince the members who would be thrown under the bus to vote to let you do it. Consequently, the best you can hope for is that one of the two conferences will successfully poach the top teams from the other.

It's hard to see how the MWC could be the winner in that fight. So the likely outcome is a 16 team AAC, that is marginally stronger than the current lineup, and a badly weakened 8 team MWC. The new AAC may or may not be able to command more media revenue per school than it does now, and it will have to contend with some serious scheduling and travel issues for all sports. At the end of the day, you might be happier with your new situation and you might not.

The western teams that choose to break ranks could also find themselves treated like pariahs in their region. Those are likely to be the same schools that many in the region blame for killing the WAC. Now, those of us in the east might argue it needed killing. Nevertheless, If I were an AD at one of those schools, I might be afraid I'll have trouble finding anybody reputable to play me out of conference. And not just in football.

And when all is said and done, you are still a G5 conference. You'll have to divide your considerable non-football revenues 16 ways instead of 12, and you probably won't get any more tournament bids to make that less of a financial hit. If I'm the AAC and I have a choice between going that route or standing pat, I'm standing pat.

No thank you. Both the AAC and the MWC have issues with SOS in FB but the bar is lower in the MWC.

Both have good schools at the top. Both have poor performers at the bottom.

The difference is we have a stronger center and fewer poor performers. I have zero desire to merge with the bottom half of the MWC.

Yep, you need Tulane for it's location and ECU for it's fan support.

No one in the AAC wants to align with the MWC. We just don't. There's no reason to align together. And to the Akron zip fan who thinks that the AAC is equal to the Mac, you're either trolling to an incomprehensible level or you've lost all touch with reality.

(06-27-2014 01:38 PM)Maize Wrote:  Merger without the Fat:

American Division
South Florida
Central Florida
Cincinnati
UConn
East Carolina
Navy
Memphis
Temple

Mountain Division
Tulane
Houston
SMU
Boise State
Fresno State
Air Force
BYU
San Diego State

That's only a merger in the sense that the ACC poaching Miami, Va Tech, and BC was a merger.

Basically, you are saying the 11 members of the AAC should vote to expel Tulsa in order to make this happen. Maybe you can get the votes to do that. Obviously, Tulsa won't vote with you, and I suspect Navy wouldn't either, as a matter of honor. If I'm Temple or Tulane, I'm afraid some day you'll consider me more "fat" to be cut out, so I'd vote against expulsion. ECU might feel the same way, after the hard time they had finding a conference home.

On the other side, I doubt Air Force would join you, and there's nothing in this for BYU that they either don't have now, or willingly walked away from before.

I think it's a nice fantasy league, but it's just a fantasy.

(06-27-2014 01:38 PM)Maize Wrote:  Merger without the Fat:

American Division
South Florida
Central Florida
Cincinnati
UConn
East Carolina
Navy
Memphis
Temple

Mountain Division
UNLV
Houston
SMU
Boise State
Fresno State
Air Force
BYU
San Diego State

FIFY.

(06-27-2014 01:43 PM)lance99 Wrote:  The reality is you are no better than the MAC starting this year. Live with it!

(06-27-2014 12:42 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 12:40 PM)CurveItAround Wrote:  Worst idea ever.

Why?

A 24 team conference? You'd have to wait for championship game deregulation so you could have a 4 team (1 for each 6 team division) playoff.

Or you could play 9 conference games with each team have 2 permanent partners with 7 games to rotate around the remaining 21 schools. But then you'd have vastly different strength of schedules.

I think it would be a good idea for the MWC, as they could get back into Texas. I'm not sure what the AAC gets out of it other than the chance to play Boise.

Too many teams and too much distance between teams to make this workable.

(06-27-2014 02:40 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 01:38 PM)Maize Wrote:  Merger without the Fat:

American Division
South Florida
Central Florida
Cincinnati
UConn
East Carolina
Navy
Memphis
Temple

Mountain Division
Tulane
Houston
SMU
Boise State
Fresno State
Air Force
BYU
San Diego State

That's only a merger in the sense that the ACC poaching Miami, Va Tech, and BC was a merger.

Basically, you are saying the 11 members of the AAC should vote to expel Tulsa in order to make this happen. Maybe you can get the votes to do that. Obviously, Tulsa won't vote with you, and I suspect Navy wouldn't either, as a matter of honor. If I'm Temple or Tulane, I'm afraid some day you'll consider me more "fat" to be cut out, so I'd vote against expulsion. ECU might feel the same way, after the hard time they had finding a conference home.

On the other side, I doubt Air Force would join you, and there's nothing in this for BYU that they either don't have now, or willingly walked away from before.

i think it's a nice fantasy league, but it's just a fantasy.

That is the point...if they could've pulled this off 2 years ago it would be a very nice league..

(06-27-2014 01:43 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 01:32 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 01:20 PM)lance99 Wrote:  AAC fan boys need to stop with this. The MWC seems to have no interest in this. Just accept that you C-USA leftovers are a G5 conference and move on.

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Akron has spoken. Lol.

What a maroon.

Really?

I want to see your conference stand on your own(without the Big East bus pass). If yor are the same place 5 years from now, i got your back.

Just looking at some of the threads, you guys think that you are way better then everybody else and you only concerns are markets.Thats fact.

The reality is you are no better than the MAC starting this year. Live with it!

Thats the funniest s&^* I've heard in a while

(06-27-2014 01:58 PM)lance99 Wrote:  Like I said, off one year off someone eles bus pass. Also with cash from a settlement(forgot to add that). Dont hide facts.

That "bus pass" was for the Fiesta Bowl only. What say you about the rest of the AAC sports?

The national championships still stand on their own.

The funny thing is, even under the current perameters, UCF would have STILL gone to the Fiesta Bowl last year. So the "bus pass" doesn't hold water.

(06-27-2014 02:57 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 01:58 PM)lance99 Wrote:  Like I said, off one year off someone eles bus pass. Also with cash from a settlement(forgot to add that). Dont hide facts.

That "bus pass" was for the Fiesta Bowl only. What say you about the rest of the AAC sports?

The national championships still stand on their own.

UCF was 4 points away from going undefeated-(lost a 10 point 2nd Half Lead against Top 10 South Carolina)....and if the American was a G5 League last year they would have been the rep...plus you can't get around the Men's & Women's Basketball National Titles....

(06-27-2014 02:45 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 01:38 PM)Maize Wrote:  Merger without the Fat:

American Division
South Florida
Central Florida
Cincinnati
UConn
East Carolina
Navy
Memphis
Temple

Mountain Division
UNLV
Houston
SMU
Boise State
Fresno State
Air Force
BYU
San Diego State

FIFY.

We have a winner. In a nine game conference schedule that's 1 away game per year to the opposing division. Not a travel issue at all. From a basketball standpoint, UNLV, BYU, and SDSU raise the profile of the conference. Non-revenue olympic sports can probably pull in affiliate members to operate as separate conferences for each division.

(06-27-2014 03:09 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 02:57 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 01:58 PM)lance99 Wrote:  Like I said, off one year off someone eles bus pass. Also with cash from a settlement(forgot to add that). Dont hide facts.

That "bus pass" was for the Fiesta Bowl only. What say you about the rest of the AAC sports?

The national championships still stand on their own.

UCF was 4 points away from going undefeated-(lost a 10 point 2nd Half Lead against Top 10 South Carolina)....and if the American was a G5 League last year they would have been the rep...plus you can't get around the Men's & Women's Basketball National Titles....

And last year Ville had a tremendous season last year also out of the AAC, although now in the ACC.

(06-27-2014 03:33 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 03:09 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 02:57 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(06-27-2014 01:58 PM)lance99 Wrote:  Like I said, off one year off someone eles bus pass. Also with cash from a settlement(forgot to add that). Dont hide facts.

That "bus pass" was for the Fiesta Bowl only. What say you about the rest of the AAC sports?

The national championships still stand on their own.

UCF was 4 points away from going undefeated-(lost a 10 point 2nd Half Lead against Top 10 South Carolina)....and if the American was a G5 League last year they would have been the rep...plus you can't get around the Men's & Women's Basketball National Titles....

And last year Ville had a tremendous season last year also out of the AAC, although now in the ACC.

UCF had a SoS with Louisville/South Carolina that nobody in the MAC, C-USA, Sunbelt and MWC could match with their 12-1 Record....