(07-05-2014 11:07 PM)winston70 Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 10:26 PM)Dawg06 Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 07:13 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 11:01 AM)Dawg06 Wrote:  

(07-04-2014 08:03 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  Does anyone on a message board really know what a university's administration will do?


And yet your AD scheduled us in both basketball and football? That doesn't make sense.

As for pimping 'grandiose plans', Cajun athletics finished this past year as #2 in the State of Louisiana.....some might argue 1st. I suspect the Cajun athletic department will do everything possible to maintain that position, regardless of conference affilitiation. I'm down with that.

You are clueless. You do realize it was your AD who put the all sports scheduling ban on Louisiana Tech until we agreed to play ULL again in football, right? UTEP plays NMSU every year in every sport. That does not mean UTEP would support NMSU joining C-USA. Tech is playing Northwestern State in every sport next year. That does not mean Tech will support adding NWST to C-USA. If our admin decided to support ULL to C-USA, then the $10.9 million from LaTech donors this year would dry up. More reason admin will not support adding ULL to C-USA. Regardless, there are no openings, but even in the unfortunate situation if there were, ULL would not have enough support.

This is the C-USA message board, a message board for fans of C-USA schools. ULL is a member of the Sunbelt and will be for the foreseeable future. Do I need to provide you a link to your conference's message board?

I am interested in what your argument here.

Either 1. You and ULL share many of the same donors, and you are worried that your donor base would leave and support the Cajuns if they were ever forced to make a decision

2. Your donor base is so anti ULL that they would pull all their donations over a decision by the conference that Tech only has a 1/14th share in.

3. There are a limited number of donors available to both La Tech and ULL in the state of Louisiana, and you are worried that if the two of you are in the same league...those donors would chose to support ULL instead.

I just find it a strange argument. You're essentially admitting that either your donors are extremely short sighted, or admitting the Cajuns have a better potential to steal donors from you than others do. Not something I've ever heard a La Tech fan readily admit before.

It's pretty simple. Tech's big donors want no association with ULL or ULM or any other Louisiana school not named LSU or Tulane. Just ask their spokesman, Terry Bradshaw. He'll tell you exactly how it is. They've made it very well-known to our admin, and our admin and fan base share the same sentiment. Again, this was all set in motion in 1971, and the LaTech separation mindset has not changed. Without Tech's support, the conference will not extend an invite to ULL. The same goes for UTEP with NMSU and UAB/USM with South Alabama. Regardless, there is no opening in C-USA, and the conference isn't expanding.

The deal for UTEP not wanting to be in the same conference as NMSU is a bit different. It's about sharing 1 medium sized market (91st I believe) with another D1 school. It's a market where the 2 schools are 40 miles apart but UTEP has something like 3 qtrs of the market. We still like the rivalry in all sports but especially mbb and fb. If NMSU were located another 100 miles away and would be a valuable asset, UTEP would be all for them in the conference, imho. As an example, if UNM, about 250 miles away, was a candidate for C-USA (they are not) we would love to have them. It's really about market sharing and if you already dominate the market, why would you want to share it? That would only benefit the team that had less of the market to begin with.

(07-05-2014 10:26 PM)Dawg06 Wrote:  It's pretty simple. Tech's big donors want no association with ULL or ULM or any other Louisiana school not named LSU or Tulane. They've made it very well-known to our admin, and our admin and fan base share the same sentiment.

And yet your AD schedules home/home in football and basketball with the Cajuns and all-sports with Northwestern?

Now, either I'm not understanding the meaning of NO ASSOCIATION, or you're talking out of your butt.........again.

(07-06-2014 01:02 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-06-2014 12:38 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-06-2014 12:19 AM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 11:30 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 10:26 PM)Dawg06 Wrote:  It's pretty simple. Tech's big donors want no association with ULL or ULM or any other Louisiana school not named LSU or Tulane. Just ask their spokesman, Terry Bradshaw. He'll tell you exactly how it is. They've made it very well-known to our admin, and our admin and fan base share the same sentiment. Again, this was all set in motion in 1971, and the LaTech separation mindset has not changed. Without Tech's support, the conference will not extend an invite to ULL. The same goes for UTEP with NMSU and UAB/USM with South Alabama. Regardless, there is no opening in C-USA, and the conference isn't expanding.

That's alarming. Could really cause issues in the future if realignment doesn't go your way.

I'm surprised you're not working to at least change that mindset in at least some areas. If ASU has a donor group causing a problem, we simply replace them with another group.

Given your athletic budget, I really though you can pick and choose your donors. I'm just saying...

Arkansas State Law over athletic budgets pretty much means our budget will never grow much beyond what its listed at. Number of donors really doesn't change that. Reality is, we probably have a much larger budget than what you see...but we can only report the 17 million.

We rely on lots of small level donors rather than large donors. A person who gives 50 dollars a year has literally the same benefits that a guy who gives 5K a year does outside of parking and a chance to purchase suites. Its designed to encourage many to give small amounts rather than trying to find the one or two big donors.

Do you really believe that? just so you know what "that" is I will list them..

1. ASU list their numbers different from everyone else

2. ASU really only wants the $50 donors


If this chart is up to date this is why ASU's budget isn't growing and why your season tickets sales went up....

a under value ticket hurts a program a lot more than just getting that butt in a seat. It looks like 80% of your season tickets doesn't take a donation to get. If you can't get the donation coming off 3 winning seasons...you will have to give that same person the ticket if you lose.

That's correct. Donor ticket priority is the same for all levels. In our situation, we've got the University of Arkansas that charges 65 bucks for a single game ticket. Our biggest selling point over the last few years is that you can pay essentially the same amount here, and get season tickets to a much better quality product.

1. I know one is true. Every school's athletic budget is listed differently. You list based on what your individual state laws allow you to list. You should really look up some of this. I think I remember reading that one state allows the band to be counted as part of the Athletic Budget. When ASU became FBS 20 years ago...we essentially did so without anyone's permission. The University of Arkansas and the state legislature believed that Arkansas should only have one FBS program, so they passed several laws that were designed to force us back to 1AA. Arkstfan has posted links to some of those laws in the past.

2. Of course we all want big donors. We just started a big drive to try and grab donors who give 50K in a 5 year period. However, 95 percent of our alums from the 90's till the early part of the 2000's left the program and do not give a dime. While we try to get those back, we have to focus on what we have...which is a ton of recent grads who want to donate.

Go look at the Red Wolves Foundation giving chart online at the benefits differences. One look at that chart explains that while we certainly want big donors, we are still focused on reaching those who can only give 50 bucks.

I give 50 bucks a year....and I have 50 yard line seats for football. That's how its been here for years. And season ticket sales continue to go up.

(07-05-2014 11:54 PM)Dawg06 Wrote:  You've obviously never had to deal with an in-state double-directional turned hyphenated school pretending to be the university of your state and flagship of your system, something that they are obviously not.

Hmmm. Yet another oddity on the part of the pup.

LaTech has successfully separated itself from other state schools, especially the Cajun program, is moving onward and upward blah blah blah, but you have to "deal with" us?

What's to deal with if you guys have achieved this so-called separation? Color me suspicious.

(06-24-2014 09:09 AM)wh49er Wrote:  Wouldn't you be mad too if Liberty and Lamar were actual options as the 12th member for your conference?

Harsh...

Yet true.

(07-06-2014 08:33 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 11:54 PM)Dawg06 Wrote:  You've obviously never had to deal with an in-state double-directional turned hyphenated school pretending to be the university of your state and flagship of your system, something that they are obviously not.

Hmmm. Yet another oddity on the part of the pup.

LaTech has successfully separated itself from other state schools, especially the Cajun program, is moving onward and upward blah blah blah, but you have to "deal with" us?

What's to deal with if you guys have achieved this so-called separation? Color me suspicious.

ULL fans are here, on LaTech's conference message board, pimping your school. Am I right, or am I right?

(07-06-2014 08:19 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 10:26 PM)Dawg06 Wrote:  It's pretty simple. Tech's big donors want no association with ULL or ULM or any other Louisiana school not named LSU or Tulane. They've made it very well-known to our admin, and our admin and fan base share the same sentiment.

And yet your AD schedules home/home in football and basketball with the Cajuns and all-sports with Northwestern?

Now, either I'm not understanding the meaning of NO ASSOCIATION, or you're talking out of your butt.........again.

Get this. Conference USA also wants NO ASSOCIATION with ULL. Yet you ULL fans are still here on the C-USA message board screaming, "Look at me! Look at me!"

(07-06-2014 08:18 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  The deal for UTEP not wanting to be in the same conference as NMSU is a bit different. It's about sharing 1 medium sized market (91st I believe) with another D1 school. It's a market where the 2 schools are 40 miles apart but UTEP has something like 3 qtrs of the market. We still like the rivalry in all sports but especially mbb and fb. If NMSU were located another 100 miles away and would be a valuable asset, UTEP would be all for them in the conference, imho. As an example, if UNM, about 250 miles away, was a candidate for C-USA (they are not) we would love to have them. It's really about market sharing and if you already dominate the market, why would you want to share it? That would only benefit the team that had less of the market to begin with.

The reasons don't matter. That's not what I was comparing. Every situation is different. My point was that C-USA will not invite NMSU because UTEP won't approve of it. Same goes for LaTech with ULL and likely UAB/USM with South Alabama.

(07-06-2014 10:10 AM)Dawg06 Wrote:  

(07-06-2014 08:33 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 11:54 PM)Dawg06 Wrote:  You've obviously never had to deal with an in-state double-directional turned hyphenated school pretending to be the university of your state and flagship of your system, something that they are obviously not.

Hmmm. Yet another oddity on the part of the pup.

LaTech has successfully separated itself from other state schools, especially the Cajun program, is moving onward and upward blah blah blah, but you have to "deal with" us?

What's to deal with if you guys have achieved this so-called separation? Color me suspicious.

ULL fans are here, on LaTech's conference message board, pimping your school. Am I right, or am I right?

I think I'm the only UL fan here and I'm definitely NOT pimping my school.....I'm defending negative comments about it in a thread that bashed a fellow Belt member's AD. And for the record, I said his comments were out of line IMHO.

Am I rght, or am I right?

(07-06-2014 10:41 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-06-2014 10:10 AM)Dawg06 Wrote:  

(07-06-2014 08:33 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 11:54 PM)Dawg06 Wrote:  You've obviously never had to deal with an in-state double-directional turned hyphenated school pretending to be the university of your state and flagship of your system, something that they are obviously not.

Hmmm. Yet another oddity on the part of the pup.

LaTech has successfully separated itself from other state schools, especially the Cajun program, is moving onward and upward blah blah blah, but you have to "deal with" us?

What's to deal with if you guys have achieved this so-called separation? Color me suspicious.

ULL fans are here, on LaTech's conference message board, pimping your school. Am I right, or am I right?

I think I'm the only UL fan here and I'm definitely NOT pimping my school.....I'm defending negative comments about it in a thread that bashed a fellow Belt member's AD. And for the record, I said his comments were out of line IMHO.

Am I rght, or am I right?

Excuses....stop trying to make this about ULL and crawl back into your hole.

(07-06-2014 10:55 AM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(07-06-2014 10:41 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-06-2014 10:10 AM)Dawg06 Wrote:  

(07-06-2014 08:33 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 11:54 PM)Dawg06 Wrote:  You've obviously never had to deal with an in-state double-directional turned hyphenated school pretending to be the university of your state and flagship of your system, something that they are obviously not.

Hmmm. Yet another oddity on the part of the pup.

LaTech has successfully separated itself from other state schools, especially the Cajun program, is moving onward and upward blah blah blah, but you have to "deal with" us?

What's to deal with if you guys have achieved this so-called separation? Color me suspicious.

ULL fans are here, on LaTech's conference message board, pimping your school. Am I right, or am I right?

I think I'm the only UL fan here and I'm definitely NOT pimping my school.....I'm defending negative comments about it in a thread that bashed a fellow Belt member's AD. And for the record, I said his comments were out of line IMHO.

Am I rght, or am I right?

Excuses....stop trying to make this about ULL and crawl back into your hole.

1-11

(07-06-2014 11:08 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-06-2014 10:55 AM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(07-06-2014 10:41 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-06-2014 10:10 AM)Dawg06 Wrote:  

(07-06-2014 08:33 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  Hmmm. Yet another oddity on the part of the pup.

LaTech has successfully separated itself from other state schools, especially the Cajun program, is moving onward and upward blah blah blah, but you have to "deal with" us?

What's to deal with if you guys have achieved this so-called separation? Color me suspicious.

ULL fans are here, on LaTech's conference message board, pimping your school. Am I right, or am I right?

I think I'm the only UL fan here and I'm definitely NOT pimping my school.....I'm defending negative comments about it in a thread that bashed a fellow Belt member's AD. And for the record, I said his comments were out of line IMHO.

Am I rght, or am I right?

Excuses....stop trying to make this about ULL and crawl back into your hole.

1-11

what a weak response lol which is irrelevant to the topic at hand. How about you just leave

(07-06-2014 11:13 AM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(07-06-2014 11:08 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-06-2014 10:55 AM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(07-06-2014 10:41 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-06-2014 10:10 AM)Dawg06 Wrote:  ULL fans are here, on LaTech's conference message board, pimping your school. Am I right, or am I right?

I think I'm the only UL fan here and I'm definitely NOT pimping my school.....I'm defending negative comments about it in a thread that bashed a fellow Belt member's AD. And for the record, I said his comments were out of line IMHO.

Am I rght, or am I right?

Excuses....stop trying to make this about ULL and crawl back into your hole.

1-11

what a weak response lol which is irrelevant to the topic at hand. How about you just leave

Yeah, telling others to crawl back in their hole when you've got that record hanging around your neck is really bright. 1-11 FIU @ FAU, 10,428 in attendance.....and you lost.

(07-06-2014 11:28 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-06-2014 11:13 AM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(07-06-2014 11:08 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-06-2014 10:55 AM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(07-06-2014 10:41 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  I think I'm the only UL fan here and I'm definitely NOT pimping my school.....I'm defending negative comments about it in a thread that bashed a fellow Belt member's AD. And for the record, I said his comments were out of line IMHO.

Am I rght, or am I right?

Excuses....stop trying to make this about ULL and crawl back into your hole.

1-11

what a weak response lol which is irrelevant to the topic at hand. How about you just leave

Yeah, telling others to crawl back in their hole when you've got that record hanging around your neck is really bright. 1-11 FIU @ FAU, 10,428 in attendance.....and you lost.

Dude how old are you? What does FIU's lack of success on the football field have to do with you pimping our board?

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football...ence-moves

This guy agrees with the Ark St AD. SBC a "winner" in realignment and CUSA a "loser"

(07-06-2014 12:01 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  http://www.sbnation.com/college-football...ence-moves

This guy agrees with the Ark St AD. SBC a "winner" in realignment and CUSA a "loser"

I'm still waiting for the last SBNation link I clicked on to load up. When that one finishes, I'll check out yours. I'm thinking it'll be some time in early October.