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Man oh man, look at all those rich, over-funded suburban schools listed in the article like Huffman, Woodlawn, Tarrant, and Vigor...oh wait

(06-23-2014 08:23 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  Man oh man, look at all those rich, over-funded suburban schools listed in the article like Huffman, Woodlawn, Tarrant, and Vigor...oh wait

All those rich, over-funded suburban schools that offer kids a way to college other than athletics.

I sense a foghorn leghorn type speech upcoming.

(06-23-2014 08:23 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  Man oh man, look at all those rich, over-funded suburban schools listed in the article like Huffman, Woodlawn, Tarrant, and Vigor...oh wait

Lookit here son, I say son, that was about as sharp as a sack of wet mice.

Although there isn't a current NFL player that has a Heisman from Alabama. The three that have won it from the state have come from Bessemer and Birmingham.

Mcadory- Bo Jackson
Hueytown- Jameis Winston
John Carrol-Pat Sullivan

(06-23-2014 08:23 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  Man oh man, look at all those rich, over-funded suburban schools listed in the article like Huffman, Woodlawn, Tarrant, and Vigor...oh wait

Now let us take a look at heads of industry...
1 Jerry Jones > 55 Felix Joneses

I say, I say, it was a joke son. Ya know, comedy?

But in all seriousness, I understand the points made of above. I was merely riffing on what is often talked about on here in terms of high school athletics.

(06-24-2014 01:48 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  I say, I say, it was a joke son. Ya know, comedy?

But in all seriousness, I understand the points made of above. I was merely riffing on what is often talked about on here in terms of high school athletics.

#1- Those OTM and others of the state's suburban schools are only "overfunded" in Alabama terms. Actually, they are the only state districts that come anywhere near the national per pupil averages.

#2- The effects of Alabama leading the nation in cutting per pupil state funding for ALL levels of public schools from the SETF since 2008 (almost $1,400 per pupil) is only now being made evident as the state's D1 universities cut instate recruiting to 4 or 5 players each in 2014.(Miles College signed about as many from our state as all D1 schools combined) We will see what the numbers are in Feb. 2015. This is also why the universities are again increasing tuition - now totaling 40% increase so far - for the 7th year in a row.

#3- Things like 2% state pay raises every 8 years may result in an increasing number of the poorer state districts having to hire less appealing teachers to fill vacancies - hiring those they can get rather than those they might have wanted. The idea that quality of athletics will somehow remain above this fray is not logical nor credible.

THIS IS NOT A JOKE,SON!

That took much longer than I thought it would.

(06-24-2014 05:18 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 01:48 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  I say, I say, it was a joke son. Ya know, comedy?

But in all seriousness, I understand the points made of above. I was merely riffing on what is often talked about on here in terms of high school athletics.

#1- Those OTM and others of the state's suburban schools are only "overfunded" in Alabama terms. Actually, they are the only state districts that come anywhere near the national per pupil averages.

#2- The effects of Alabama leading the nation in cutting per pupil state funding for ALL levels of public schools from the SETF since 2008 (almost $1,400 per pupil) is only now being made evident as the state's D1 universities cut instate recruiting to 4 or 5 players each in 2014.(Miles College signed about as many from our state as all D1 schools combined) We will see what the numbers are in Feb. 2015. This is also why the universities are again increasing tuition - now totaling 40% increase so far - for the 7th year in a row.

#3- Things like 2% state pay raises every 8 years may result in an increasing number of the poorer state districts having to hire less appealing teachers to fill vacancies - hiring those they can get rather than those they might have wanted. The idea that quality of athletics will somehow remain above this fray is not logical nor credible.

THIS IS NOT A JOKE,SON!

Yes it is a joke. You have made it a joke.

(06-24-2014 06:40 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 05:18 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 01:48 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  I say, I say, it was a joke son. Ya know, comedy?

But in all seriousness, I understand the points made of above. I was merely riffing on what is often talked about on here in terms of high school athletics.

#1- Those OTM and others of the state's suburban schools are only "overfunded" in Alabama terms. Actually, they are the only state districts that come anywhere near the national per pupil averages.

#2- The effects of Alabama leading the nation in cutting per pupil state funding for ALL levels of public schools from the SETF since 2008 (almost $1,400 per pupil) is only now being made evident as the state's D1 universities cut instate recruiting to 4 or 5 players each in 2014.(Miles College signed about as many from our state as all D1 schools combined) We will see what the numbers are in Feb. 2015. This is also why the universities are again increasing tuition - now totaling 40% increase so far - for the 7th year in a row.

#3- Things like 2% state pay raises every 8 years may result in an increasing number of the poorer state districts having to hire less appealing teachers to fill vacancies - hiring those they can get rather than those they might have wanted. The idea that quality of athletics will somehow remain above this fray is not logical nor credible.

THIS IS NOT A JOKE,SON!

Yes it is a joke. You have made it a joke.

Then why aren't classroom educators all over Alabama laughing? People who don't depend upon teacher's pay to support their families may find it hilarious, but I doubt many who must do so think it is so funny. That 2% pay raise - the first since 2007 - now counting toward 2015 or 2016 - may do the AEA more harm than they imagine.

Alabama politicians have found it pays off in votes to slap the state's teachers around from time to time so they do it often, particularly at election time. Perhaps the next generation of teachers will turn to a REAL UNION like the AFT (AFL-CIO) which bars administration (management) from joining.

(06-24-2014 06:25 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  That took much longer than I thought it would.

it took 18 mins for me to respond with an actual foghorn leghorn quote.

(06-27-2014 07:01 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 06:40 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 05:18 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 01:48 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  I say, I say, it was a joke son. Ya know, comedy?

But in all seriousness, I understand the points made of above. I was merely riffing on what is often talked about on here in terms of high school athletics.

#1- Those OTM and others of the state's suburban schools are only "overfunded" in Alabama terms. Actually, they are the only state districts that come anywhere near the national per pupil averages.

#2- The effects of Alabama leading the nation in cutting per pupil state funding for ALL levels of public schools from the SETF since 2008 (almost $1,400 per pupil) is only now being made evident as the state's D1 universities cut instate recruiting to 4 or 5 players each in 2014.(Miles College signed about as many from our state as all D1 schools combined) We will see what the numbers are in Feb. 2015. This is also why the universities are again increasing tuition - now totaling 40% increase so far - for the 7th year in a row.

#3- Things like 2% state pay raises every 8 years may result in an increasing number of the poorer state districts having to hire less appealing teachers to fill vacancies - hiring those they can get rather than those they might have wanted. The idea that quality of athletics will somehow remain above this fray is not logical nor credible.

THIS IS NOT A JOKE,SON!

Yes it is a joke. You have made it a joke.

Then why aren't classroom educators all over Alabama laughing? People who don't depend upon teacher's pay to support their families may find it hilarious, but I doubt many who must think it is so funny. That 2% pay raise - the first since 2007 - now counting toward 2015 or 2016 - may do the AEA more harm than they imagine.

Alabama politicians have found it pays off in votes to slap the state's teachers around from time to time so they do it often, particularly at election time. Perhaps the next generation of teachers will turn to a REAL UNION like the AFT (AFL-CIO) which bars administration (management) from joining.

Another laugher...... Alabama politicians have found it pays off in votes to slap the state's teachers around from time. But what you should have written was Alabama politicians have found it pays off in votes to slap the AEA around from time to time. If the AEA didn't have over-priced hacks more interested in potitical power than helping teachers, schools, and students, they wouldn't be such an easy target.

Oh and even funnier.....Perhaps the next generation of teachers will turn to a REAL UNION like the AFT (AFL-CIO). The AFL-CIO (one of the most corrupt institutions in the US) is just what our schools need to make them better.

You know BAMANBLAZERFAN, you outta think about trying out for open mike night at the Comedy Club.

As I said, AEA, if a "union" at all, is a "company union" run primarily by administrators who are more concerned with balancing school district budgets (like BODs in business) than the financial pay for teachers. NOTE: I have yet to see a Board of Education - state or local - that has a current classroom teacher on it. How many state or local medical boards have no doctors?

BTW, I wrote a paper in grad school calling for a state educational examining board that has to certify (license) all state teachers the same way the medical and bar boards certify doctors and lawyers before they can practice in the state, no matter what their grades in school. As it was explained to me, presently if the school sends in a transcript with the school's stamp of approval (and the currently required fee from the applicant), the state DOE simply mails back a Teaching Certificate to the applicant - no questions about the school's quality of program asked or what the applicant's qualifications might be.

As for political action, teachers are entirely dependent upon the state legislature for ALL educational funding - including teacher pay. The AEA lobbyists are just doing what all lobbyists do in trying to get the state legislature to adequately fund all public schools, and to try to make teacher profession as attractive to the "best and brightest youth" as possible. I am certain that if doctors and lawyers (or any other job you wish to name) had to get state legislative approval for their respective pay scales, their lobbyists would put AEA's in the shade. Can you imagine the lobbyist pay the AMA, ABA, UMW or UAW or other "unions" could generate?

I bet you could take conversations about ice cream and lawn mowers and end up at the same place.

(07-01-2014 02:37 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I bet you could take conversations about ice cream and lawn mowers and end up at the same place.