It's a sin.. It's called out as a sin in the OT and in the NT. Marriage is defined by God as being a man and a woman, it's reenforced by Christ and then emphasized again in the letters of the apostles.

To say Marriage is something other than what God has defined it as puts you in an anti-biblical position and pretty much disqualifies a church as having sound biblical teaching. It's not the fact people in the church are sinning it's that the church is sanctioning that sin!

Marriage is between a Man and a Women per God. Again, read a Bible then get back to me.

I knew this would stir up some schit.

(06-23-2014 11:08 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 11:02 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Not mine...God's.. Read a Bible and get back to me.

Remember he also said to hate the sin, not the sinner. Something alot in here forget.
But, is the sex act the sin? if so, couldn't two gays get married, not have sex, and still be OK with the Lord? Would they have violated the word? and if not , what would be wrong with them getting married in a church?

Not Biblical.

(06-23-2014 11:24 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I knew this would stir up some schit.

A shame the General Assembly did not possess your foresight…

The PC(USA) has just taken a large leap down the same path that the Episcopal Church has been on for the past couple of decades. We shall see if the results are the same, or not.

(06-23-2014 09:49 AM)AngryAphid Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 09:31 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 09:16 AM)AngryAphid Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 07:41 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 06:43 AM)AngryAphid Wrote:  Sure, there are always disagreements in the intent or translation/transliterations of writings,
but my Church practices the Biblical teaching requirement conveyed in Isaiah 28:10 of learning every verse.

Purposefully discarding Genesis 19 is heretical.

I suspect you're not really seeing what the sin really led to the destruction of Sodom. Ezek 16:49 is explicit.

You implying that sexual deviance is not against the Law of God?

Of course not, but that you even wrote that demonstrates that you're not the least bit interested in truth or the Bible. (Prov 13:10 is a good start)

Quote:The downfall of Sodom, Gomorrah and the surrounding cities wasn’t necessarily the sins of
the individual people within the walls, but rather those cities validation of those discretions.

You don't have to speculate. The verse in Ezek is explicit. Either you believe it, or you don't.

I’m not disagreeing with Ezekiel 16:49... I attend a Church that requires me to read the next verse.
Thus I take into account the reason that the men of Sodom were blinded.

Fair enough.

So for Presby's, the Book of Presbyterian is more authoritative than The Bible?

When you think about it, if The Gaystapo applies the same standard to The Bible as they did the CEO of Mozilla, or to The Chick-Fil-A company then they would want the 13 books written by Paul eliminated since he speaks negatively about homosexuality. John speaks negatively about homosexuals in Revelation so his 5 books are out. Since gays already throw out the old testament entirely, that means the bible acceptable to gays has only 9 books.....

(06-24-2014 04:43 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  So for Presby's, the Book of Presbyterian is more authoritative than The Bible?

When you think about it, if The Gaystapo applies the same standard to The Bible as they did the CEO of Mozilla, or to The Chick-Fil-A company then they would want the 13 books written by Paul eliminated since he speaks negatively about homosexuality. John speaks negatively about homosexuals in Revelation so his 5 books are out. Since gays already throw out the old testament entirely, that means the bible acceptable to gays has only 9 books.....

I imagine the membership will follow this like they do the predestination stuff.

(06-24-2014 05:42 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 04:43 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  So for Presby's, the Book of Presbyterian is more authoritative than The Bible?

When you think about it, if The Gaystapo applies the same standard to The Bible as they did the CEO of Mozilla, or to The Chick-Fil-A company then they would want the 13 books written by Paul eliminated since he speaks negatively about homosexuality. John speaks negatively about homosexuals in Revelation so his 5 books are out. Since gays already throw out the old testament entirely, that means the bible acceptable to gays has only 9 books.....

I imagine the membership will follow this like they do the predestination stuff.

Then it’s more of a clique, than a Church.

Not that other denominations aren’t clique-like too, but the Presbyterian Church
is like a golf and tennis club that has replaced the back-nine with bowling lanes.
The true believers either find a new place to play or purchase new shoes.

(06-24-2014 04:43 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  So for Presby's, the Book of Presbyterian is more authoritative than The Bible?

When you think about it, if The Gaystapo applies the same standard to The Bible as they did the CEO of Mozilla, or to The Chick-Fil-A company then they would want the 13 books written by Paul eliminated since he speaks negatively about homosexuality. John speaks negatively about homosexuals in Revelation so his 5 books are out. Since gays already throw out the old testament entirely, that means the bible acceptable to gays has only 9 books.....

And in those books they will redact Jesus defining marriage or saying "sin no more"

When this happened up here in Lutheran Minnesota, it caused all manner of consternation. I know many people left their church for more conservative venues.

(06-24-2014 09:32 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  When this happened up here in Lutheran Minnesota, it caused all manner of consternation. I know many people left their church for more conservative venues.

They left the ELCA for churches that are members of the Missouri Synod.

(06-24-2014 05:59 AM)AngryAphid Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 05:42 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 04:43 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  So for Presby's, the Book of Presbyterian is more authoritative than The Bible?

When you think about it, if The Gaystapo applies the same standard to The Bible as they did the CEO of Mozilla, or to The Chick-Fil-A company then they would want the 13 books written by Paul eliminated since he speaks negatively about homosexuality. John speaks negatively about homosexuals in Revelation so his 5 books are out. Since gays already throw out the old testament entirely, that means the bible acceptable to gays has only 9 books.....

I imagine the membership will follow this like they do the predestination stuff.

Then it’s more of a clique, than a Church.

Not that other denominations aren’t clique-like too, but the Presbyterian Church
is like a golf and tennis club that has replaced the back-nine with bowling lanes.
The true believers either find a new place to play or purchase new shoes.

Baptists are not suppose to drink booze and yet a good bit of them ignore that tenet. Same with predestination. No denomination has some high ground in this area.

(06-24-2014 09:32 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  When this happened up here in Lutheran Minnesota, it caused all manner of consternation. I know many people left their church for more conservative venues.

Funny how our church is seeing the opposite. We are getting large numbers of younger people fleeing the ultra conservative churches. Nothing wrong with it IMO. Thank goodness the founders understood that freedom of religion was very important.

(06-24-2014 11:45 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 09:32 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  When this happened up here in Lutheran Minnesota, it caused all manner of consternation. I know many people left their church for more conservative venues.

Funny how our church is seeing the opposite. We are getting large numbers of younger people fleeing the ultra conservative churches. Nothing wrong with it IMO. Thank goodness the founders understood that freedom of religion was very important.

People believe they can embrace secular humanism while
keeping the smallest possible life-line to salvation.

It’s nothing new... the careless endeavor to try to serve
two masters has been going on since the Garden of Eden.

Barney Church mentality.....people want to treat the Bible and Salvation as a buffet and take only the parts that they want..

It doesn't work that way though!

(06-24-2014 12:36 PM)AngryAphid Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 11:45 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 09:32 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  When this happened up here in Lutheran Minnesota, it caused all manner of consternation. I know many people left their church for more conservative venues.

Funny how our church is seeing the opposite. We are getting large numbers of younger people fleeing the ultra conservative churches. Nothing wrong with it IMO. Thank goodness the founders understood that freedom of religion was very important.

People believe they can embrace secular humanism while
keeping the smallest possible life-line to salvation.

It’s nothing new... the careless endeavor to try to serve
two masters has been going on since the Garden of Eden.

or...maybe they tire of the being constantly told they are going to Hell every second and would rather hear a more positive and uplifting message.

(06-24-2014 11:45 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 09:32 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  When this happened up here in Lutheran Minnesota, it caused all manner of consternation. I know many people left their church for more conservative venues.

Funny how our church is seeing the opposite. We are getting large numbers of younger people fleeing the ultra conservative churches.

"our church" = Presbyterian Church (USA)? Otherwise, what church are you talking about?

The demographic data for the Presbyterian Church (USA) is clear, overwhelming, and is easily accessible. That church is not growing; it is shrinking and has been for a long time.

(06-24-2014 01:40 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Barney Church mentality.....people want to treat the Bible and Salvation as a buffet and take only the parts that they want..

It doesn't work that way though!

Well...I don't for sure know how it works. I accept though...that there is no shortage of experts that believe they have all the answers. That is fine with me also.

(06-24-2014 04:21 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 11:45 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 09:32 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  When this happened up here in Lutheran Minnesota, it caused all manner of consternation. I know many people left their church for more conservative venues.

Funny how our church is seeing the opposite. We are getting large numbers of younger people fleeing the ultra conservative churches.

"our church" = Presbyterian Church (USA)? Otherwise, what church are you talking about?

The demographic data for the Presbyterian Church (USA) is clear, overwhelming, and is easily accessible. That church is not growing; it is shrinking and has been for a long time.

It was pretty clear I was talking about the church I attend. I honestly could care less about the the rest of it.