(07-13-2014 07:54 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  wow....surprised the german winning goal has not received it's due....

that goal was absolutely amazing.....

I put it at the top relative to the 'miracles of miracles' in amazing shots/hits/catches/etc of all sport (due to the timing).

The only thing that could've made it better would have been on a last drive before the shootout.

That was one of the poetries of sport.

There's a very pro-Hispanic bias in the sport. If Messi, Higuaín, Neymar, or any of the other poster boys of the sport had hit that for a World Cup winner, there would be no end to the media coverage and the spectacle surrounding what would likely be called "the shot" or something similar. I say that even though most of my closest friends are Hispanics. It's absolutely the truth though.

For all of Messi's talked about individual brilliance and how he and Argentina's defense could win this thing, Germany was not only the better team, but it was indeed even a German's individual brilliance that stole the show, and a backup no less, who had a less-than-inspiring World Cup so far, and whom I'll admit I actually criticized heavily for his lack of quality. He came through when it mattered most though, and Messi once again didn't.

I'm glad that Germany have won it, they have been the best team in the tournament by far. Philipp Lahm is one of my favorite players and I'm really happy for him, I wish I was in Munich last night!

(07-13-2014 10:36 PM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  I'm glad that Germany have won it, they have been the best team in the tournament by far. Philipp Lahm is one of my favorite players and I'm really happy for him, I wish I was in Munich last night!

(07-13-2014 08:15 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 07:54 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  wow....surprised the german winning goal has not received it's due....

that goal was absolutely amazing.....

I put it at the top relative to the 'miracles of miracles' in amazing shots/hits/catches/etc of all sport (due to the timing).

The only thing that could've made it better would have been on a last drive before the shootout.

That was one of the poetries of sport.

For all of Messi's talked about individual brilliance and how he and Argentina's defense could win this thing, Germany was not only the better team, but it was indeed even a German's individual brilliance that stole the show, and a backup no less, who had a less-than-inspiring World Cup so far, and whom I'll admit I actually criticized heavily for his lack of quality. He came through when it mattered most though, and Messi once again didn't.

Germany deserved the win, but Argentina will for years look back at the one that got away. I mean, how many clean looks at goal did they have? Geez, you'd think they'd knock in at least one of them.

One huge party in Germany....wish I was there.

(07-14-2014 04:33 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 08:15 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 07:54 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  wow....surprised the german winning goal has not received it's due....

that goal was absolutely amazing.....

I put it at the top relative to the 'miracles of miracles' in amazing shots/hits/catches/etc of all sport (due to the timing).

The only thing that could've made it better would have been on a last drive before the shootout.

That was one of the poetries of sport.

For all of Messi's talked about individual brilliance and how he and Argentina's defense could win this thing, Germany was not only the better team, but it was indeed even a German's individual brilliance that stole the show, and a backup no less, who had a less-than-inspiring World Cup so far, and whom I'll admit I actually criticized heavily for his lack of quality. He came through when it mattered most though, and Messi once again didn't.

Germany deserved the win, but Argentina will for years look back at the one that got away. I mean, how many clean looks at goal did they have? Geez, you'd think they'd knock in at least one of them.

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/matches/rou...l#nosticky

Clean looks were about the same in number, and one of the few stats that weren't in Germany's favor. Btw, understand that having a keeper of Neuer's pedigree standing at the mouth of that goal makes even the most seasoned players overcompensate on their shots, meaning they'll likely miss shots they normally wouldn't, or simply have them blocked by virtue of his positioning and reaction. Argentina must be tired of us after these last 3 World Cups.

(07-14-2014 09:30 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  One huge party in Germany....wish I was there.

Tell me about it...lol. Been trying to watch some of the celebrations on German internet feeds.

(07-14-2014 11:03 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 09:30 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  One huge party in Germany....wish I was there.

Tell me about it...lol. Been trying to watch some of the celebrations on German internet feeds.

Me too lol. Used to live in Heidelberg....was there in 2002 when Germany beat the US in the round of 8.

(07-14-2014 11:02 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  Clean looks were about the same in number, and one of the few stats that weren't in Germany's favor. Btw, understand that having a keeper of Neuer's pedigree standing at the mouth of that goal makes even the most seasoned players overcompensate on their shots, meaning they'll likely miss shots they normally wouldn't, or simply have them blocked by virtue of his positioning and reaction. Argentina must be tired of us after these last 3 World Cups.

I thought it was interesting that Neuer didn't have to make any outstanding saves, they were either easy saves or misses from the Argentines. You could see them try to find the very corner of the goal and miss. A top keeper does that.

Messi had him beat. He pretty much needed it to be on target and he would have scored.

(07-14-2014 01:53 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Messi had him beat. He pretty much needed it to be on target and he would have scored.

Yep, just missed it wide. Of course, having to aim wide was a direct result of the keeper's presence.

(07-14-2014 01:53 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Messi had him beat. He pretty much needed it to be on target and he would have scored.

Messi had no one beat. Neuer was all over that. If he shot it any closer to the post, Neuer would've gotten his hand on it. Besides, if it's you against a keeper and the keeper makes you shoot it wide through his positioning and his known prowess at goal, you never had him beat to begin with.

Quote:In 1995 and '96, Mario's dad, Jurgen Gotze, was a postdoc researcher at Rice's electrical engineering department.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/local/gr...76d90d0955

(07-14-2014 02:57 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 01:53 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Messi had him beat. He pretty much needed it to be on target and he would have scored.

Messi had no one beat. Neuer was all over that. If he shot it any closer to the post, Neuer would've gotten his hand on it. Besides, if it's you against a keeper and the keeper makes you shoot it wide through his positioning and his known prowess at goal, you never had him beat to begin with.

I'm a natural leftie with the feet.....

....look at the perfect cross/absorbed/punch-in goal combo and then compare to messi's messy miss....he had it and hooked 'er wide...it happens in the moment of speed

neuer had position as best possible.....however, that shot could've been made...

(07-13-2014 08:15 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 07:54 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  wow....surprised the german winning goal has not received it's due....

that goal was absolutely amazing.....

I put it at the top relative to the 'miracles of miracles' in amazing shots/hits/catches/etc of all sport (due to the timing).

The only thing that could've made it better would have been on a last drive before the shootout.

That was one of the poetries of sport.

There's a very pro-Hispanic bias in the sport. If Messi, Higuaín, Neymar, or any of the other poster boys of the sport had hit that for a World Cup winner, there would be no end to the media coverage and the spectacle surrounding what would likely be called "the shot" or something similar. I say that even though most of my closest friends are Hispanics. It's absolutely the truth though.

For all of Messi's talked about individual brilliance and how he and Argentina's defense could win this thing, Germany was not only the better team, but it was indeed even a German's individual brilliance that stole the show, and a backup no less, who had a less-than-inspiring World Cup so far, and whom I'll admit I actually criticized heavily for his lack of quality. He came through when it mattered most though, and Messi once again didn't.

yeah, I understand that....even in the 'burg, I got to practice with the USM club team while in high school when youth rec league was all we had ('80-'81).....they were all foreign and mostly from latin america....it was a blast being a white boy getting 'schooled'

It was easily my favorite sport of all that I played.

Vianney was supposed to be my destination.....just didn't work out when we moved to the metropolis of the 'burg.....it's still a bummer in my mind.....

I want to thank everybody for keeping this thread alive throughout the tournament. Mods, feel free to "unpin" this thread whenever you like.

(07-14-2014 04:55 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 02:57 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 01:53 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Messi had him beat. He pretty much needed it to be on target and he would have scored.

Messi had no one beat. Neuer was all over that. If he shot it any closer to the post, Neuer would've gotten his hand on it. Besides, if it's you against a keeper and the keeper makes you shoot it wide through his positioning and his known prowess at goal, you never had him beat to begin with.

I'm a natural leftie with the feet.....

....look at the perfect cross/absorbed/punch-in goal combo and then compare to messi's messy miss....he had it and hooked 'er wide...it happens in the moment of speed

neuer had position as best possible.....however, that shot could've been made...

I'm sorry but I disagree. I haven't been able to see the replay again since the LIVE match, but from what I remember seeing, the only way he could've possibly had a chance at getting that past Neuer is if he had kicked up into the corner on that same side. The way it was kicked (roller on the grass), the ball would've needed to be at least 1 1/2 - 2 feet farther inside for it to roll into the goal, but that would've put it within Neuer's reach.

So, "could've been made"? Yes it "could have", but with a VERY high degree of difficulty, and only upstairs (not a roller) because Neuer had a great angle on it. Still doesn't mean he had him beat though. Typically when it's said that a player "has a keeper beat", it means the keeper was out of position and the shot clearly would've been made on most occasions. Typically in such scenarios, the kick goes straight to the keeper, for an easy save when there's tons of room to the left and right. You just can't say that about this one. From that angle, and against Neuer in that position, even Messi will only hit that 2 or 3 times out of 10. To say "he had him beat" is a GROSS exaggeration. That was a really difficult shot against any keeper, much less a perfectly positioned Neuer.

(07-13-2014 08:15 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 07:54 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  wow....surprised the german winning goal has not received it's due....

that goal was absolutely amazing.....

I put it at the top relative to the 'miracles of miracles' in amazing shots/hits/catches/etc of all sport (due to the timing).

The only thing that could've made it better would have been on a last drive before the shootout.

That was one of the poetries of sport.

There's a very pro-Hispanic bias in the sport. If Messi, Higuaín, Neymar, or any of the other poster boys of the sport had hit that for a World Cup winner, there would be no end to the media coverage and the spectacle surrounding what would likely be called "the shot" or something similar. I say that even though most of my closest friends are Hispanics. It's absolutely the truth though.

For all of Messi's talked about individual brilliance and how he and Argentina's defense could win this thing, Germany was not only the better team, but it was indeed even a German's individual brilliance that stole the show, and a backup no less, who had a less-than-inspiring World Cup so far, and whom I'll admit I actually criticized heavily for his lack of quality. He came through when it mattered most though, and Messi once again didn't.

Awesome game... but really? I'm assuming from your post, like most german transplants or citizens you've never played the game. Argentina was the most dangerous team on the attack in the game. They screwed up on their finishing.

(07-14-2014 07:54 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 04:55 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 02:57 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 01:53 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Messi had him beat. He pretty much needed it to be on target and he would have scored.

Messi had no one beat. Neuer was all over that. If he shot it any closer to the post, Neuer would've gotten his hand on it. Besides, if it's you against a keeper and the keeper makes you shoot it wide through his positioning and his known prowess at goal, you never had him beat to begin with.

I'm a natural leftie with the feet.....

....look at the perfect cross/absorbed/punch-in goal combo and then compare to messi's messy miss....he had it and hooked 'er wide...it happens in the moment of speed

neuer had position as best possible.....however, that shot could've been made...

I'm sorry but I disagree. I haven't been able to see the replay again since the LIVE match, but from what I remember seeing, the only way he could've possibly had a chance at getting that past Neuer is if he had kicked up into the corner on that same side. The way it was kicked (roller on the grass), the ball would've needed to be at least 1 1/2 - 2 feet farther inside for it to roll into the goal, but that would've put it within Neuer's reach.

So, "could've been made"? Yes it "could have", but with a VERY high degree of difficulty, and only upstairs (not a roller) because Neuer had a great angle on it. Still doesn't mean he had him beat though. Typically when it's said that a player "has a keeper beat", it means the keeper was out of position and the shot clearly would've been made on most occasions. Typically in such scenarios, the kick goes straight to the keeper, for an easy save when there's tons of room to the left and right. You just can't say that about this one. From that angle, and against Neuer in that position, even Messi will only hit that 2 or 3 times out of 10. To say "he had him beat" is a GROSS exaggeration. That was a really difficult shot against any keeper, much less a perfectly positioned Neuer.

Watch the replay. He wasn't there. Anything in the side netting was a goal in my opinion. It was a great run and almost a perfect finish.

(07-14-2014 07:56 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 08:15 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 07:54 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  wow....surprised the german winning goal has not received it's due....

that goal was absolutely amazing.....

I put it at the top relative to the 'miracles of miracles' in amazing shots/hits/catches/etc of all sport (due to the timing).

The only thing that could've made it better would have been on a last drive before the shootout.

That was one of the poetries of sport.

There's a very pro-Hispanic bias in the sport. If Messi, Higuaín, Neymar, or any of the other poster boys of the sport had hit that for a World Cup winner, there would be no end to the media coverage and the spectacle surrounding what would likely be called "the shot" or something similar. I say that even though most of my closest friends are Hispanics. It's absolutely the truth though.

For all of Messi's talked about individual brilliance and how he and Argentina's defense could win this thing, Germany was not only the better team, but it was indeed even a German's individual brilliance that stole the show, and a backup no less, who had a less-than-inspiring World Cup so far, and whom I'll admit I actually criticized heavily for his lack of quality. He came through when it mattered most though, and Messi once again didn't.

Awesome game... but really? I'm assuming from your post, like most german transplants or citizens you've never played the game. Argentina was the most dangerous team on the attack in the game. They screwed up on their finishing.

Yes, really. And btw, weren't you the one who was clamoring for a Brazilian coach? How have those Brazilian coaches been working out lately? lol