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[split] ESPN: ACC distributes $20.8 Million per school for 2013-2014
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"Ole Bagdad Bob" Buckaineer is truly a classic! Anyone curious to what he is up to at home on the BGN Big 12 Board??

Quote:The original story on the ACC is misleading--no doubt intentionally. The ACC doesn't want to lose more schools, and ESPN doesn't want to pay anyone more money.

When the Pac 12, Big Ten, SEC and BIG 12 announced their revenues, they announced "this IS the conference payout and this IS the per team distribution".

When the ACC finally announced, what did they say?

The conference distribution was announced

The per team distribution?

"Average of $20.8M to each in ACC"


What does "average" mean? Are they saying the ACC schools recieved payment based on their media contract average---or are they saying if you add up what every school in the ACC made for 2013-2014 it averages $20.8 million--meaning unequal revenue sharing ?

Either way, every ACC school did not recieve $20.8 million dollars--many must have recieved much less so that FSU and Clemson (and no doubt a couple of Carolina schools) could recieve much more.

That's especially interesting since they claim "All 14 full members are set to receive an average of $20.8 million, up $1.2 million from last year." First, there are only 13 "full members" of the ACC now. Louisville isn't a member of the league until July of this year--they certainly aren't getting a full share--or any part of $20.8 million for this past year--they won't recieve one penny from the ACC. Notre Dame isn't a full member and the article states they received a lower share--which no doubt accounts for other schools being able to recieve more (much like posters like to say BIG 12 schools get more because TCU and WVU are getting less for now).

So either the statement just isn't true--or the "average of $20.8 million" that the schools are "set to receive" is over the life of the contract--not last year alone. We will have to wait to check individual schools actual year end reports to know (and of course all don't report). No chance with an "average" though that each school got $20.8 million as ACC fans are trying to imply. At best, some got much less and a couple more and those getting less of a "full share" accounted for some getting more.

As far as the statement about "multimedia rights", it is also misleading. The rights ACC schools claim as "multimedia rights" involve far more than "multimedia rights". They include sponsorships and royalties among other things. When you look at what some get for things like broadcast rights---FSU for example made less than $400,000 for those rights in 2013 according to their own reporting. Sure --it isn't included in the conference distribution but it doesn't do much for the school financially as compared to a deal like Kansas or Oklahoma have in place for their tier three television rights.

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It's a bit disingenuous for WVU fans here to question why some of their fellow WVU faithful deserve ridicule. The major source of the misinformation spread about the state of The ACC was a pair of WVU bloggers. One of which openly admitted fabricating rumors to get back at The ACC for not inviting WVU.

With that being said, pardon us while we have a laugh at the expense of the aforementioned pair.
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(06-07-2014 08:14 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  It's a bit disingenuous for WVU fans here to question why some of their fellow WVU faithful deserve ridicule. The major source of the misinformation spread about the state of The ACC was a pair of WVU bloggers. One of which openly admitted fabricating rumors to get back at The ACC for not inviting WVU.

With that being said, pardon us while we have a laugh at the expense of the aforementioned pair.
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and to mention "some" of us never got approval to post on that board to combat the misinformation and gloating we have seen for the last 3 years or more.
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This was posted by "The Dude" aka Atomic Noodle 4 days after The ACC signed its Grant of Rights on 4/15/13 and 3 days before the signing was made public on 4/22/14.





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ESPN: ACC distributes $20.8 Million per school for 2013-2014
(06-07-2014 08:14 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  It's a bit disingenuous for WVU fans here to question why some of their fellow WVU faithful deserve ridicule. The major source of the misinformation spread about the state of The ACC was a pair of WVU bloggers. One of which openly admitted fabricating rumors to get back at The ACC for not inviting WVU.

With that being said, pardon us while we have a laugh at the expense of the aforementioned pair.
CJ

Could not agree more, Cardinal Jim. Well said.
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This morning on WVU Big 12 board, 3 of the top 5 threads are about The ACC or ACC schools.

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buckaineer wrote: "Left out a very important part of the ACC's distribution---every member is splitting 100% of UMD's share from last year. Somewhere between $15 to $20 million divided by the 13 remaining members and ND"


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ESPN: ACC distributes $20.8 Million per school for 2013-2014
Simply amazing. I think it's generally accepted that the ACC is withholding that amount pending the resolution of the exit fee issue. I have talked to a lot of WVU fans and they are good rational folks. That said, the reluctance of most of the WVU fan base to discredit some of these nitwits reflects badly on the broader fan base, IMO. I think they bring some of this criticism on themselves.

Just my 2 cents.
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RE: ESPN: ACC distributes $20.8 Million per school for 2013-2014
(06-07-2014 08:58 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  This morning on WVU Big 12 board, 3 of the top 5 threads are about The ACC or ACC schools.

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For the most part it looks like they are discussing the same things on that board that people are discussing on this one.
How many of you folks ran over to that board as soon as you saw the ESPN ACC article?
I bet there are at least a dozen of you.
C'mon and admit it.
You folks love and I mean love talking about the Dude.
Sometimes obsession is a two way street.
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I can't knock the WVU fan base too much. Guys like bit, Jackson, and quite a few others are great guys. Too bad the others that were good guys moved on from the site. It is sad that a group of fans brought down the the WVU fanbase that participated here and threads about the ACC's payout went straight to WVU bashing. I will agree that the idiots brought this upon themselves. For 1-2 years we all heard from these select idiots on how the ACC is going to fall apart from these guys.

Much respect to OldGoldBlue, he always been impartial, as humanly possible, during these rumors. He stuck up for WVU and did it with class. Of course me and ODB exchanged pleasantries from time to time, but I respected him. Glad you're still round brah. 04-cheers
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(06-07-2014 10:26 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I can't knock the WVU fan base too much. Guys like bit, Jackson, and quite a few others are great guys. Too bad the others that were good guys moved on from the site. It is sad that a group of fans brought down the the WVU fanbase that participated here and threads about the ACC's payout went straight to WVU bashing. I will agree that the idiots brought this upon themselves. For 1-2 years we all heard from these select idiots on how the ACC is going to fall apart from these guys.

Much respect to OldGoldBlue, he always been impartial, as humanly possible, during these rumors. He stuck up for WVU and did it with class. Of course me and ODB exchanged pleasantries from time to time, but I respected him. Glad you're still round brah. 04-cheers

Pretty much feel the same way about the vast majority of WVU Alums and Fans...in the end UofL, Syracuse, Pitt, WVU and Rutgers escaped the sinking ship that was the BIG EAST.
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(06-07-2014 10:17 AM)lofi Wrote:  For the most part it looks like they are discussing the same things on that board that people are discussing on this one.
How many of you folks ran over to that board as soon as you saw the ESPN ACC article?
I bet there are at least a dozen of you.
C'mon and admit it.
You folks love and I mean love talking about the Dude.
Sometimes obsession is a two way street.

I like visiting there to checkout whatever Louisville hate thread they have going on at the time. I use it for comic relief. I still have not quite figured out why all the hate for a program they beat out for a conference invite. I could understand if we still played but I doubt we see any games between the two except maybe in baseball. You don't see UConn hate threads on Louisville boards after Louisville got The ACC invite. Is that why some WVU fans rag on The ACC? Because they took UofL?

Since we are on the subject tell Joe Manchin for the advice. What was it?

"You know what, Louisville? Go back and toughen up a little bit. Get better."

Since Joe mumbled that jewel:

Louisville has been to Two Final Fours in Men's Basketball while winning a national title. Won another BCS Bowl after beating WVU in Morgantown. Been to a pair of Super Regionals in baseball making it to Omaha once and needing 1 more win to get there a 2nd straight season. Along the way Louisville picked up an invite to The ACC, will receive money as they leave The AAC and will receive a full share from their new conference beginning July 1st.

Tell Joe Louisville fans said thanks. Then again don't bother Louisville fans will say thanks as we drive through your beautiful state on the way to our ACC games.
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(06-07-2014 11:22 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(06-07-2014 10:17 AM)lofi Wrote:  For the most part it looks like they are discussing the same things on that board that people are discussing on this one.
How many of you folks ran over to that board as soon as you saw the ESPN ACC article?
I bet there are at least a dozen of you.
C'mon and admit it.
You folks love and I mean love talking about the Dude.
Sometimes obsession is a two way street.

I like visiting there to checkout whatever Louisville hate thread they have going on at the time. I use it for comic relief. I still have not quite figured out why all the hate for a program they beat out for a conference invite. I could understand if we still played but I doubt we see any games between the two except maybe in baseball. You don't see UConn hate threads on Louisville boards after Louisville got The ACC invite. Is that why some WVU fans rag on The ACC? Because they took UofL?

Since we are on the subject tell Joe Manchin for the advice. What was it?

"You know what, Louisville? Go back and toughen up a little bit. Get better."

Since Joe mumbled that jewel:

Louisville has been to Two Final Fours in Men's Basketball while winning a national title. Won another BCS Bowl after beating WVU in Morgantown. Been to a pair of Super Regionals in baseball making it to Omaha once and needing 1 more win to get there a 2nd straight season. Along the way Louisville picked up an invite to The ACC, will receive money as they leave The AAC and will receive a full share from their new conference beginning July 1st.

Tell Joe Louisville fans said thanks. Then again don't bother Louisville fans will say thanks as we drive through your beautiful state on the way to our ACC games.
CJ

This just makes me smile...Thanks for the advice Senator.
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(06-06-2014 09:43 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  
Why the worry about WVU, we are all getting a fair share?

People on this board have a giant hard on for WVU. We get mentioned in almost every single thread
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Yeah, if only the WVU fans had done something to earn this mocking like say...oh, I don't know, relentlessly forecast nothing but gloom and doom for the ACC at every turn for years only to be proven spectacularly wrong every single time. If something like that were to happen then I would definitely agree that you've earned your comeuppance. However, the WVU fans have been nothing but gentlemen and pure class throughout and for some reason the ACC fans seem to want to pick on them for no good reason. It's a shame, really, that people can be such jerks.
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(06-07-2014 11:22 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(06-07-2014 10:17 AM)lofi Wrote:  For the most part it looks like they are discussing the same things on that board that people are discussing on this one.
How many of you folks ran over to that board as soon as you saw the ESPN ACC article?
I bet there are at least a dozen of you.
C'mon and admit it.
You folks love and I mean love talking about the Dude.
Sometimes obsession is a two way street.

I like visiting there to checkout whatever Louisville hate thread they have going on at the time. I use it for comic relief. I still have not quite figured out why all the hate for a program they beat out for a conference invite. I could understand if we still played but I doubt we see any games between the two except maybe in baseball. You don't see UConn hate threads on Louisville boards after Louisville got The ACC invite. Is that why some WVU fans rag on The ACC? Because they took UofL?

Since we are on the subject tell Joe Manchin for the advice. What was it?

"You know what, Louisville? Go back and toughen up a little bit. Get better."

Since Joe mumbled that jewel:

Louisville has been to Two Final Fours in Men's Basketball while winning a national title. Won another BCS Bowl after beating WVU in Morgantown. Been to a pair of Super Regionals in baseball making it to Omaha once and needing 1 more win to get there a 2nd straight season. Along the way Louisville picked up an invite to The ACC, will receive money as they leave The AAC and will receive a full share from their new conference beginning July 1st.

Tell Joe Louisville fans said thanks. Then again don't bother Louisville fans will say thanks as we drive through your beautiful state on the way to our ACC games.
CJ

You haven't been paying attention if you think some WVU fans started ragging on the ACC when Louisville got the ACC invite. Their dislike of the ACC started years and years before that. I would think you would have noticed that since you spend time on the Scout board.

Sorry but I would not bother to tell Joe Manchin anything. A large percentage of WVU fans including me have nothing but disdain for him and it has nothing to do with realignment. He is a grade A micromanager who should fit in very well in DC.

Personally I don't hold any ill will towards the ACC or Louisville. We are in a league of like minded schools and Louisville should do just fine in the ACC.

If some of you folks get so worked up about the Dude or the WVU scout board perhaps you would be better off not going there. Oh that's right it's all about the comic relief. Sure it is.
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(06-07-2014 08:58 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  buckaineer wrote: "Left out a very important part of the ACC's distribution---every member is splitting 100% of UMD's share from last year. Somewhere between $15 to $20 million divided by the 13 remaining members and ND"


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Buck...er, TBringer got it from here, I guess.
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Buck tends to say some ridiculous stuff, but that's crazy talk right there. I guess he doesn't understand the ACC can't legally disperse Maryland's share to the rest of the conference due to the lawsuits.
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Aight fellas, lets drop the WVU stuff and talk about the distribution of TV money.
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(06-07-2014 03:24 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(06-07-2014 10:20 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-06-2014 09:30 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(06-06-2014 08:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  The spread was noticeable in 2011-12, but I haven't seen disclosure for 12-13:

David Teel today tweeted a few of the 2012-13 disbursements apparently from the ACC tax return that he recently received.

FSU $19.5m
Clemson $18.5m
Virginia Tech $18.3m
UVA $16.8m

BTW, Notre Dame has been reported to receive 1/15th of 20% of the disbursements with its membership. If that is accurate (and doesn't adjust for their ACC football schedule not beginning until next season), than the average for this season might be more like a $20.6 million per team distribution. But it is impossible to know for sure.

If so, that's not giving much credit for basketball.

I guess with football its just "keep what you kill." ACC gets their TV deals and ND gets NBC, which minimal payments to the other.


I like that. That is "capitalism" at work.

That has always been my point.

That is the way it should be, everywhere, football, basketball, hockey, lacrosse, baseball, etc....for every school.

Why brag that the school you root for gets X dollars because you are in a certain socialistic grouping (i.e. conference) that includes "heavy lifters" like Texas or Ohio State to get your school that cash?

Big whup.

What an accomplishment.

Most of the bragging and arguing on message boards is "My school's socialistic group can beat up yours".

Big deal.

Fans bragging that the school they root for makes cash because of what, specifically? That it joined a conference eighty years ago. Ok.......

What have those "other schools" i.e. not bellwether programs, done on their own to earn that money?

Have they really "earned" it? Do they have the fan base and ability to earn that money on their own?

Doubtful, to any great degree. Many were just in the right place at the right time to grab a hold of a big time program and ride along with it or them.

Those schools only get that money because the networks are willing to pay those schools collectively for a lot of product nobody really wants to pay individually to watch so the networks can make big money televising Alabama, Michigan, Texas, LSU, etc...

Conferences bundle together (a modified Leninist take--- "From each according to his ability, to each the same amount") programming that the networks don't really want to make them pay for what content they do want.

Why is this a "bragging event" for the "other" schools?

Schools should have to obtain their own individual TV contracts for games of large national or even regional fan/viewer interest.

If they can't, too bad. Sell your other games on PPV to your own fans.

Earn your own money.

"Eat what you kill."

If not, shutter the program or scale it back to what it really generates on its own and what it is really "worth".

Don't extort money from cable or satellite subscribers who don't want your product and won't view it but have to pay for it anyway.

Don't "coattail" Southern Cal, Texas, Michigan, Florida State, Alabama or any other school that fans/viewers really care about and want to see.

But, that won't happen because very few schools can do this. The rest want to share in the cash generated mainly by those schools that can.

For my part, I think that if ND basketball cannot generate its own TV funds (what $3.88 million/yr.--chicken feed, really) as an independent, then it ought to shut down the program or drop to a lower level.

It should not join a conference. I have always disagreed with ND basketball being in the Big East or the ACC.

Rant over. Thanks for putting up with the old guy mumbling in the corner.....

Same way I feel about the city of Louisville and the State of Kentucky. Louisville tax support the WHOLE state of Kentucky. If it were "eat what you kill" , then uk would be dead.
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