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RE: Florida will not schedule FCS anymore...
Hope those P5 fans enjoy all those losses against the all (or mostly) P5 schedule!!!
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RE: Florida will not schedule FCS anymore...
(05-27-2014 07:02 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  MAIN ADVANTAGE: No FCS games means more games with G5. Competition for G5 teams is high;this increases the guarantee money and helps offset cost of attendance money,etc..If the trend continues you will be able to soon play one money game for what it now takes two to bring in. Less supply-approx. same demand-price will rise.

My thoughts exactly. As a G5 member, we WANT them to cut the FCS off. There is no way Saban wants to schedule his OOC games to be Oregon, Texas and Ohio State. With that pool cut in half, our prices just went up.
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RE: Florida will not schedule FCS anymore...
(05-28-2014 09:54 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Hope those P5 fans enjoy all those losses against the all (or mostly) P5 schedule!!!

Think of it this way, 2 OOC games are scheduled against P5 conferences, intersectionally. For numbers let's say ACC vs. SEC and SEC vs. Big Ten.

The SEC vs. ACC would look like: 1v1
Auburn vs. Florida State
Mizzou vs. Duke
Bama vs. Clemson
South Carolina vs. Va. Tech
LSU vs. Miami
etc...

Then flip the SEC/Big Ten, where the top plays the bottom so:
Auburn vs. Purdue
Mizzou vs. Illinois
Bama vs. Indiana
etc.. until Michigan State plays Kentucky.
P5 fans would 100 percent be more excited for that, because they know who Kentucky is, or know who Purdue and Illinois are even though they're GOD AWFUL.
When the ticket printed says Alabama vs. Georgia State, most Bama fans have never heard of Ga. State and several don't know that Georgia is a state.
I'm not saying fair or unfair here, I'm saying that fans look at the low level P5's as better than the upper level G5's because they know who they are. It's simple, when it's 70 bucks a ticket, fans want more than regional universities in small conferences.
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RE: Florida will not schedule FCS anymore...
(05-28-2014 10:16 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  
(05-28-2014 09:54 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Hope those P5 fans enjoy all those losses against the all (or mostly) P5 schedule!!!

Think of it this way, 2 OOC games are scheduled against P5 conferences, intersectionally. For numbers let's say ACC vs. SEC and SEC vs. Big Ten.

The SEC vs. ACC would look like: 1v1
Auburn vs. Florida State
Mizzou vs. Duke
Bama vs. Clemson
South Carolina vs. Va. Tech
LSU vs. Miami
etc...

Then flip the SEC/Big Ten, where the top plays the bottom so:
Auburn vs. Purdue
Mizzou vs. Illinois
Bama vs. Indiana
etc.. until Michigan State plays Kentucky.
P5 fans would 100 percent be more excited for that, because they know who Kentucky is, or know who Purdue and Illinois are even though they're GOD AWFUL.
When the ticket printed says Alabama vs. Georgia State, most Bama fans have never heard of Ga. State and several don't know that Georgia is a state.
I'm not saying fair or unfair here, I'm saying that fans look at the low level P5's as better than the upper level G5's because they know who they are. It's simple, when it's 70 bucks a ticket, fans want more than regional universities in small conferences.

Yes, but you're smart enough to know that Purdue and Kentucky would never sign off on that. No coach in his right mind wants to schedule themselves into a possible 2-9 season, when they can currently schedule 4 patsies and need only two league wins to get a bowl.

I know the SEC is requiring one P5 OOC Game, but the reality is the 95 percent of the league already follows it because they have long term series going with in state OOC Rivals.
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RE: Florida will not schedule FCS anymore...
(05-28-2014 09:54 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Hope those P5 fans enjoy all those losses against the all (or mostly) P5 schedule!!!
That's not going to be an issue because the big stadium aren't actually going to move to an all P5 schedule, they are just going to have people who don't make the schedule (like head coaches) talk about it to string along the t-shirt fans in the hope that it might happen "soon".

In reality, if Bama (to take someone with a head coach pretending to talk up playing all P5 schools) were to stop scheduling FCS schools, they'd need three Go5 buy games, since that would give them seven home games plus the marquee neutral site P5 OOC games that they like. Its just that it would cost a little more, and so instead they take the cheaper FCS game they are allowed to take and two Go5 buy games.

Florida, given a regular in-state OOC rival, have the "moral equivalent" of a nine game conference schedule, so if they schedule other P5 schools, home and away offset against their in-state rival, they only have two buy games to fill for a seven game home schedule. They can fill that easily enough with two Go5 buy games, and since that leaves them with two rather than three buy games, dropping the FCS games is less of an issue for them.

And of course, Florida's recent history would make them both more conscious of the challenge of grabbing a top four spot as the second SEC school, where having a ten P5, no-FCS schedule makes for a better case ... and more conscious of the fact that playing a school with fewer scholarships doesn't make for an automatic Florida home win, and while a FCS home win isn't all that impressive on the resume, an FCS home loss really stinks up the joint.

(05-28-2014 10:20 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I know the SEC is requiring one P5 OOC Game, but the reality is the 95 percent of the league already follows it because they have long term series going with in state OOC Rivals.
You'd think, but while "all P5" is surely a less dramatic change for the SEC than "no FCS" in a conference that is maxed out on FCS games this coming season ... its more like 86% than 95%.

In 2014, its Ole Miss, Mississippi St., Vanderbilt, and Texas A&M without a P5 game, which means its 71% that have a P5 OOC game, but A&M had a conference shift (including out of a nine conference game conference into an eight conference game conference) and has a P5 opponent already scheduled for 2015, and Vandy had to cancel the back end of a four game contract with Wake Forest when the SEC move its game against the Vols to rivalry weekend.

So the SEC moving to a P5 school for everyone is mostly telling the Mississippi schools that they have to schedule a P5 opponent like most of the rest of the SEC.
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RE: Florida will not schedule FCS anymore...
(05-28-2014 10:20 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(05-28-2014 10:16 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  
(05-28-2014 09:54 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Hope those P5 fans enjoy all those losses against the all (or mostly) P5 schedule!!!

Think of it this way, 2 OOC games are scheduled against P5 conferences, intersectionally. For numbers let's say ACC vs. SEC and SEC vs. Big Ten.

The SEC vs. ACC would look like: 1v1
Auburn vs. Florida State
Mizzou vs. Duke
Bama vs. Clemson
South Carolina vs. Va. Tech
LSU vs. Miami
etc...

Then flip the SEC/Big Ten, where the top plays the bottom so:
Auburn vs. Purdue
Mizzou vs. Illinois
Bama vs. Indiana
etc.. until Michigan State plays Kentucky.
P5 fans would 100 percent be more excited for that, because they know who Kentucky is, or know who Purdue and Illinois are even though they're GOD AWFUL.
When the ticket printed says Alabama vs. Georgia State, most Bama fans have never heard of Ga. State and several don't know that Georgia is a state.
I'm not saying fair or unfair here, I'm saying that fans look at the low level P5's as better than the upper level G5's because they know who they are. It's simple, when it's 70 bucks a ticket, fans want more than regional universities in small conferences.

Yes, but you're smart enough to know that Purdue and Kentucky would never sign off on that. No coach in his right mind wants to schedule themselves into a possible 2-9 season, when they can currently schedule 4 patsies and need only two league wins to get a bowl.

I know the SEC is requiring one P5 OOC Game, but the reality is the 95 percent of the league already follows it because they have long term series going with in state OOC Rivals.

I don't think they'll have much of a choice. It'll be presented as they'll get one bottom feeder from a P5 (ie Kentucky vs. Purdue), then take an OOC beating, have their traditional game with Louisville and one they have control to schedule. It would put fans in the seats and generate more interest. Then they get their one game to schedule whoever. The coaches won't like it, but presidents and A.D.'s looking at balance sheets and profits will LOVE IT.
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RE: Florida will not schedule FCS anymore...
Thankfully, there's enough Arkansas, Kentucky and Mississippi St's out there to keep us scheduled.
Those games aren't going anywhere.
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RE: Florida will not schedule FCS anymore...
Hopefully if we do get more money for playing the P-5's we get
stronger. We get stronger hopefully we can beat more of the P-5s.
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RE: Florida will not schedule FCS anymore...
(05-28-2014 10:36 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  
(05-28-2014 10:20 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(05-28-2014 10:16 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  
(05-28-2014 09:54 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Hope those P5 fans enjoy all those losses against the all (or mostly) P5 schedule!!!

Think of it this way, 2 OOC games are scheduled against P5 conferences, intersectionally. For numbers let's say ACC vs. SEC and SEC vs. Big Ten.

The SEC vs. ACC would look like: 1v1
Auburn vs. Florida State
Mizzou vs. Duke
Bama vs. Clemson
South Carolina vs. Va. Tech
LSU vs. Miami
etc...

Then flip the SEC/Big Ten, where the top plays the bottom so:
Auburn vs. Purdue
Mizzou vs. Illinois
Bama vs. Indiana
etc.. until Michigan State plays Kentucky.
P5 fans would 100 percent be more excited for that, because they know who Kentucky is, or know who Purdue and Illinois are even though they're GOD AWFUL.
When the ticket printed says Alabama vs. Georgia State, most Bama fans have never heard of Ga. State and several don't know that Georgia is a state.
I'm not saying fair or unfair here, I'm saying that fans look at the low level P5's as better than the upper level G5's because they know who they are. It's simple, when it's 70 bucks a ticket, fans want more than regional universities in small conferences.

Yes, but you're smart enough to know that Purdue and Kentucky would never sign off on that. No coach in his right mind wants to schedule themselves into a possible 2-9 season, when they can currently schedule 4 patsies and need only two league wins to get a bowl.

I know the SEC is requiring one P5 OOC Game, but the reality is the 95 percent of the league already follows it because they have long term series going with in state OOC Rivals.

I don't think they'll have much of a choice. It'll be presented as they'll get one bottom feeder from a P5 (ie Kentucky vs. Purdue), then take an OOC beating, have their traditional game with Louisville and one they have control to schedule. It would put fans in the seats and generate more interest. Then they get their one game to schedule whoever. The coaches won't like it, but presidents and A.D.'s looking at balance sheets and profits will LOVE IT.

So you think selling 5-10K more seats for 1 game a year is better financially than having a winning season and going bowling?
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RE: Florida will not schedule FCS anymore...
Right now Western Carolina doesn't want to schedule us because they can make a lot more money
going to play Alabama as they are doing this year. If there were less options for FCS schools the
G5s would have more FCS options if we needed or wanted to schedule one of them.

Personally think the G5s should not schedule the FCS teams either. Would help the schools
ratings some but more importantly help the conference champions ratings for having played
conference schools with higher ratings. Think Arkansas State announcing last Friday that they
would no longer play any FCS teams was the right thing for all of us to do.
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RE: Florida will not schedule FCS anymore...
(05-28-2014 11:17 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  
(05-28-2014 10:36 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  
(05-28-2014 10:20 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(05-28-2014 10:16 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  
(05-28-2014 09:54 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Hope those P5 fans enjoy all those losses against the all (or mostly) P5 schedule!!!

Think of it this way, 2 OOC games are scheduled against P5 conferences, intersectionally. For numbers let's say ACC vs. SEC and SEC vs. Big Ten.

The SEC vs. ACC would look like: 1v1
Auburn vs. Florida State
Mizzou vs. Duke
Bama vs. Clemson
South Carolina vs. Va. Tech
LSU vs. Miami
etc...

Then flip the SEC/Big Ten, where the top plays the bottom so:
Auburn vs. Purdue
Mizzou vs. Illinois
Bama vs. Indiana
etc.. until Michigan State plays Kentucky.
P5 fans would 100 percent be more excited for that, because they know who Kentucky is, or know who Purdue and Illinois are even though they're GOD AWFUL.
When the ticket printed says Alabama vs. Georgia State, most Bama fans have never heard of Ga. State and several don't know that Georgia is a state.
I'm not saying fair or unfair here, I'm saying that fans look at the low level P5's as better than the upper level G5's because they know who they are. It's simple, when it's 70 bucks a ticket, fans want more than regional universities in small conferences.

Yes, but you're smart enough to know that Purdue and Kentucky would never sign off on that. No coach in his right mind wants to schedule themselves into a possible 2-9 season, when they can currently schedule 4 patsies and need only two league wins to get a bowl.

I know the SEC is requiring one P5 OOC Game, but the reality is the 95 percent of the league already follows it because they have long term series going with in state OOC Rivals.

I don't think they'll have much of a choice. It'll be presented as they'll get one bottom feeder from a P5 (ie Kentucky vs. Purdue), then take an OOC beating, have their traditional game with Louisville and one they have control to schedule. It would put fans in the seats and generate more interest. Then they get their one game to schedule whoever. The coaches won't like it, but presidents and A.D.'s looking at balance sheets and profits will LOVE IT.

So you think selling 5-10K more seats for 1 game a year is better financially than having a winning season and going bowling?

Yes I do. You do realize Florida State LOST MONEY last year. The balance sheet was in the red. Bowl games aren't money makers for the schools anymore. On campus, home games that fill the stands make money. And it's more than one game, my thought is the P5's work with the NFL on how to set up the schedule where the conferences play intersectionally balancing bottom feeders and top teams playing each other.
Bowl games aren't what they were 10 years ago. Used to be the SEC NYD bowl games were dead sellouts, you couldn't find tickets to the Outback, Citrus, Gator, or Cotton Bowls. Shoot, it wasn't easy depending on the team to get tickets to the Music City or Liberty, but these days why spend the money? 80/90 bucks per ticket, 2 night minimum on a hotel at around 200 bucks a night plus flights. If you do it right, you're dropping 1000 dollars on a bowl game. People have stopped going, you can spend 200-300 dollars, have a big party, watch the game in HD and take the rest and put it towards season tickets the following year or whatever road/neutral site game.
Let me say this one more time, season ticket holders at P5 schools do not want to pay 70 dollars per ticket to play Sun Belt schools, even if it's a guaranteed win (which in some cases, it's not).
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RE: Florida will not schedule FCS anymore...
(05-28-2014 10:36 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  
(05-28-2014 10:20 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(05-28-2014 10:16 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  
(05-28-2014 09:54 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Hope those P5 fans enjoy all those losses against the all (or mostly) P5 schedule!!!

Think of it this way, 2 OOC games are scheduled against P5 conferences, intersectionally. For numbers let's say ACC vs. SEC and SEC vs. Big Ten.

The SEC vs. ACC would look like: 1v1
Auburn vs. Florida State
Mizzou vs. Duke
Bama vs. Clemson
South Carolina vs. Va. Tech
LSU vs. Miami
etc...

Then flip the SEC/Big Ten, where the top plays the bottom so:
Auburn vs. Purdue
Mizzou vs. Illinois
Bama vs. Indiana
etc.. until Michigan State plays Kentucky.
P5 fans would 100 percent be more excited for that, because they know who Kentucky is, or know who Purdue and Illinois are even though they're GOD AWFUL.
When the ticket printed says Alabama vs. Georgia State, most Bama fans have never heard of Ga. State and several don't know that Georgia is a state.
I'm not saying fair or unfair here, I'm saying that fans look at the low level P5's as better than the upper level G5's because they know who they are. It's simple, when it's 70 bucks a ticket, fans want more than regional universities in small conferences.

Yes, but you're smart enough to know that Purdue and Kentucky would never sign off on that. No coach in his right mind wants to schedule themselves into a possible 2-9 season, when they can currently schedule 4 patsies and need only two league wins to get a bowl.

I know the SEC is requiring one P5 OOC Game, but the reality is the 95 percent of the league already follows it because they have long term series going with in state OOC Rivals.

I don't think they'll have much of a choice. It'll be presented as they'll get one bottom feeder from a P5 (ie Kentucky vs. Purdue), then take an OOC beating, have their traditional game with Louisville and one they have control to schedule. It would put fans in the seats and generate more interest. Then they get their one game to schedule whoever. The coaches won't like it, but presidents and A.D.'s looking at balance sheets and profits will LOVE IT.

You couldn't even force that on the SEC. You're going to tell Kentucky that they have to play the top team in the Big 10 AND Louisville next year? They'd laugh you out the door.

The fact is the only person in the P5 currently in favor of only playing P5 teams is at Alabama...and that's because they are that much better than everyone else.

Teams like Ole Miss, Kentucky, and Vandy keep Alabama from having too much power.
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RE: Florida will not schedule FCS anymore...
(05-28-2014 11:27 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Right now Western Carolina doesn't want to schedule us because they can make a lot more money
going to play Alabama as they are doing this year. If there were less options for FCS schools the
G5s would have more FCS options if we needed or wanted to schedule one of them.

Personally think the G5s should not schedule the FCS teams either. Would help the schools
ratings some but more importantly help the conference champions ratings for having played
conference schools with higher ratings. Think Arkansas State announcing last Friday that they
would no longer play any FCS teams was the right thing for all of us to do.

WCU would have to do what EKU is this year, play both a G5 (Miami, OH) and P5 (Florida).
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RE: Florida will not schedule FCS anymore...
Let me clarify my earlier post.
Less P5 vs. FCS games will help G5{assuming AD's hold strong}
1.Lower supply of games should force guarantee game money to rise(P5 vs. G5).
2.G5 schools who choose to have an FCS game should find more desperate takers and better or at least stable guarantee amounts.
3.Lower P5 teams may be more willing to do a deal.(H-neutral site,2 for 1,3 for 2,2-1-1,etc..
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RE: Florida will not schedule FCS anymore...
Another point-IF cost of attendance is paid by all FBS-what will FCS do?Ninety-Five percent won't be able to handle this change.A few more athletes will go to G5 schools(NOT many-just a thin line of cream off the top) and a few stars will transfer up just because of the stipend and other benefits.Games against FCS will become less competitive over time-less desire to play these games by FBS.
Of course this is just a THEORY.
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RE: Florida will not schedule FCS anymore...
(05-28-2014 11:17 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  So you think selling 5-10K more seats for 1 game a year is better financially than having a winning season and going bowling?

Exactly.
The G5 games may not be selling out....but it's easier to sell season tickets for a 8 or 9 win team...than it is for a 5-6 win team.
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RE: Florida will not schedule FCS anymore...
(05-28-2014 10:36 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  I don't think they'll have much of a choice. It'll be presented as they'll get one bottom feeder from a P5 (ie Kentucky vs. Purdue), then take an OOC beating, have their traditional game with Louisville and one they have control to schedule. It would put fans in the seats and generate more interest.
That's an 11 P5 schedule you are saying they'll be told they have to play, when the SEC is actually telling Kentucky that so long as they play Louisville every year (who lucked out and stayed in ranks of the Power Conferences), then they can play whoever they want to in the other three OOC games.

So the Wildcats can, if they wish, play the Purdue's and Indiana's of the P5 offset against the home/away cycle of the Louisville series, one Go5 buy game, one FCS buy game, and put more fans in the seats with seven games home games every year than they could with an 11 game P5 schedule with alternating six and seven home games a year. And even if the SEC were to ratchet up the pressure on Strength of Schedule, the next step is to follow Florida's lead and stop scheduling FCS games, so that's just swapping one Go5 and one FCS buy game for two Go5 buy games.
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