The writing is on the wall for BYU. It is currently an endangered species and will become extinct if it doesn't make a move.

Even the almighty Notre Dame realized that being independent required a scheduling pact with the ACC for five games.

There are only two options for BYU in the light of the ACC and SEC giving BYU the stiff arm.

An alliance with the Big 12.

Either a 3-4 game annual agreement with Big 12 football members.

Or sending a BYU entourage to Austin and convincing (begging) UT to expand the Big 12.

http://www.vanquishthefoe.com/2014/3/18/...ying-could

BYU in the current path will not survive and will not become a national brand that it used to be.

(05-25-2014 06:56 AM)p53 Wrote:  There are only two options for BYU in the light of the ACC and SEC giving BYU the stiff arm.

The Big 12 has no interest in adding BYU as a member or in a scheduling alliance. The ACC and SEC precluded the latter by labeling BYU an honorary G5, as that designation will hurt Big 12 schools that schedule BYU in playoff committee discussions. Also, it makes no sense for BYU to rejoin a G5 league as it makes a lot more cash on its own.

Thus, BYU should remain where it is - the tweener school, bigger than the G5 schools but less than the P5 schools.

I think a FB only scheduling alliance w/ the B12 would help BYU a lot. It would remove their stigma as a "G5" school and there is no Sunday issue to worry about. The Big 12 gets a much needed TV fan base boost and don't have to worry about being forced to choose school #12 because all of the schools actually willing to be school #12 have issues.

I think the better option is to put BYU in the Big 10 and move Illinois to Conference USA.

I think the B12 made a mistake a couple of years ago with bringing in West Virginia.

What they should have done is brought in BYU FB-Only and gone to 10 in football/9 in basketball. Bring a nice franchise out west to replace the loss of Colorado.

The ACC then ends up grabbing WVU as a replacement for Maryland since they are on the border of the state and have a lot of fans there already, plus natural rival with Pitt, VT and Syracuse.

That leaves Louisville in the AAC, but its an AAC without Tulsa who stays in CUSA. WKU then stays in the SBC which gives them 12 schools for football which makes sense since they only moved to the top level in 2009.

AAC hypothetical

UConn, Temple, Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, SMU, Houston, Tulane, ECU, USF, USF, Navy

The league would have more punch in football with Louisville instead of Tulsa and probably a better bowl lineup.

(05-25-2014 11:22 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I think the B12 made a mistake a couple of years ago with bringing in West Virginia.

What they should have done is brought in BYU FB-Only and gone to 10 in football/9 in basketball. Bring a nice franchise out west to replace the loss of Colorado.

The ACC then ends up grabbing WVU as a replacement for Maryland since they are on the border of the state and have a lot of fans there already, plus natural rival with Pitt, VT and Syracuse.

That leaves Louisville in the AAC, but its an AAC without Tulsa who stays in CUSA. WKU then stays in the SBC which gives them 12 schools for football which makes sense since they only moved to the top level in 2009.

AAC hypothetical

UConn, Temple, Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, SMU, Houston, Tulane, ECU, USF, USF, Navy

The league would have more punch in football with Louisville instead of Tulsa and probably a better bowl lineup.

Uh....No....

(05-25-2014 11:22 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  1. I think the B12 made a mistake a couple of years ago with bringing in West Virginia.

2. What they should have done is brought in BYU FB-Only and gone to 10 in football/9 in basketball. Bring a nice franchise out west to replace the loss of Colorado.

3. The ACC then ends up grabbing WVU as a replacement for Maryland since they are on the border of the state and have a lot of fans there already, plus natural rival with Pitt, VT and Syracuse.

4. That leaves Louisville in the AAC, but its an AAC without Tulsa who stays in CUSA. WKU then stays in the SBC which gives them 12 schools for football which makes sense since they only moved to the top level in 2009.

AAC hypothetical

UConn, Temple, Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, SMU, Houston, Tulane, ECU, USF, USF, Navy

5. The league would have more punch in football with Louisville instead of Tulsa and probably a better bowl lineup.[b]

1. A lot of folks would agree.
2. Incomplete logic. Who out west would have brought value?
3. The rivalry doesn't move the needle, and how is WVU more valuable that Louisville? ACC would pick Louisville without a doubt.
4. Louisville was never going to be left in the AAC, and Tulsa will surprise some folks.
5. Once again, moot argument as Louisville was never staying in the AAC. And bowl lineup had nothing to do with teams in the AAC. It was about exclusion by P5 programs to play G5 programs.

(05-25-2014 11:31 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 11:22 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I think the B12 made a mistake a couple of years ago with bringing in West Virginia.

What they should have done is brought in BYU FB-Only and gone to 10 in football/9 in basketball. Bring a nice franchise out west to replace the loss of Colorado.

The ACC then ends up grabbing WVU as a replacement for Maryland since they are on the border of the state and have a lot of fans there already, plus natural rival with Pitt, VT and Syracuse.

That leaves Louisville in the AAC, but its an AAC without Tulsa who stays in CUSA. WKU then stays in the SBC which gives them 12 schools for football which makes sense since they only moved to the top level in 2009.

AAC hypothetical

UConn, Temple, Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, SMU, Houston, Tulane, ECU, USF, USF, Navy

The league would have more punch in football with Louisville instead of Tulsa and probably a better bowl lineup.

Uh....No....

Sucks from the Louisville perspective but better for the AAC, B12 and ACC.

As crazy as it sounds, BYU ought to pursue a 5-game scheduling alliance with the ACC. This gives 10 out of the 14 full ACC members a 9th game every year. BYU gets exposure in eastern markets, and gets the late-season games it needs. ESPN is already a partner with both parties so it cuts out one layer of complexity with TV rights.

If the Big 12 wants BYU it will be for football only, and Cincinnati finally gets the big promotion as the 11th all sports member.

(05-25-2014 11:37 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 11:31 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 11:22 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I think the B12 made a mistake a couple of years ago with bringing in West Virginia.

What they should have done is brought in BYU FB-Only and gone to 10 in football/9 in basketball. Bring a nice franchise out west to replace the loss of Colorado.

The ACC then ends up grabbing WVU as a replacement for Maryland since they are on the border of the state and have a lot of fans there already, plus natural rival with Pitt, VT and Syracuse.

That leaves Louisville in the AAC, but its an AAC without Tulsa who stays in CUSA. WKU then stays in the SBC which gives them 12 schools for football which makes sense since they only moved to the top level in 2009.

AAC hypothetical

UConn, Temple, Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, SMU, Houston, Tulane, ECU, USF, USF, Navy

The league would have more punch in football with Louisville instead of Tulsa and probably a better bowl lineup.

Uh....No....

Sucks from the Louisville perspective but better for the AAC, B12 and ACC.

If you say so...

(05-25-2014 11:52 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 11:37 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 11:31 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 11:22 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I think the B12 made a mistake a couple of years ago with bringing in West Virginia.

What they should have done is brought in BYU FB-Only and gone to 10 in football/9 in basketball. Bring a nice franchise out west to replace the loss of Colorado.

The ACC then ends up grabbing WVU as a replacement for Maryland since they are on the border of the state and have a lot of fans there already, plus natural rival with Pitt, VT and Syracuse.

That leaves Louisville in the AAC, but its an AAC without Tulsa who stays in CUSA. WKU then stays in the SBC which gives them 12 schools for football which makes sense since they only moved to the top level in 2009.

AAC hypothetical

UConn, Temple, Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, SMU, Houston, Tulane, ECU, USF, USF, Navy

The league would have more punch in football with Louisville instead of Tulsa and probably a better bowl lineup.

Uh....No....

Sucks from the Louisville perspective but better for the AAC, B12 and ACC.

If you say so...

BYU signed a bowl game with the AAC.
Next is either a 5 game alliance with AAC or full integration for football only with AAC.The AAC will be kind with their existing pact with tv.

(05-25-2014 11:57 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 11:52 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 11:37 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 11:31 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 11:22 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I think the B12 made a mistake a couple of years ago with bringing in West Virginia.

What they should have done is brought in BYU FB-Only and gone to 10 in football/9 in basketball. Bring a nice franchise out west to replace the loss of Colorado.

The ACC then ends up grabbing WVU as a replacement for Maryland since they are on the border of the state and have a lot of fans there already, plus natural rival with Pitt, VT and Syracuse.

That leaves Louisville in the AAC, but its an AAC without Tulsa who stays in CUSA. WKU then stays in the SBC which gives them 12 schools for football which makes sense since they only moved to the top level in 2009.

AAC hypothetical

UConn, Temple, Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, SMU, Houston, Tulane, ECU, USF, USF, Navy

The league would have more punch in football with Louisville instead of Tulsa and probably a better bowl lineup.

Uh....No....

Sucks from the Louisville perspective but better for the AAC, B12 and ACC.

If you say so...

BYU signed a bowl game with the AAC.
Next is either a 5 game alliance with AAC or full integration for football only with AAC.The AAC will be kind with their existing pact with tv.

If they join a G5 league the AAC is their best bet...but really BYU kind of did it to themselves...WVU & Louisville are very happy in the current/upcoming leagues....

(05-25-2014 12:02 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 11:57 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 11:52 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 11:37 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 11:31 AM)Maize Wrote:  Uh....No....

Sucks from the Louisville perspective but better for the AAC, B12 and ACC.

If you say so...

BYU signed a bowl game with the AAC.
Next is either a 5 game alliance with AAC or full integration for football only with AAC.The AAC will be kind with their existing pact with tv.

If they join a G5 league the AAC is their best bet...but really BYU kind of did it to themselves...WVU & Louisville are very happy in the current/upcoming leagues....

This. BYU screwed themselves over.

(05-25-2014 12:06 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 12:02 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 11:57 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 11:52 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 11:37 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Sucks from the Louisville perspective but better for the AAC, B12 and ACC.

If you say so...

BYU signed a bowl game with the AAC.
Next is either a 5 game alliance with AAC or full integration for football only with AAC.The AAC will be kind with their existing pact with tv.

If they join a G5 league the AAC is their best bet...but really BYU kind of did it to themselves...WVU & Louisville are very happy in the current/upcoming leagues....

This. BYU screwed themselves over.

BYU doesn't really belong in the MWC anymore with schools like San Jose State and Utah State in the conference.

The AAC instead of going in with Tulsa, Tulane and ECU could have gone the path of 8 all sports with Navy and BYU as FB only members. That way you split the massive basketball income only 8 ways and can have shorter conference tournaments.

AAC Idea: Uconn, Temple, Navy, UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Memphis, SMU, Houston, BYU

That might have been an OK deal for BYU FB ONLY but they have watered the conference down too much with Tulane and Tulsa.

(05-25-2014 10:29 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I think the better option is to put BYU in the Big 10 and move Illinois to Conference USA.

Lets pretend that you are joking... You obviously haven't lived in B1G country...

(05-25-2014 12:49 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 10:29 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I think the better option is to put BYU in the Big 10 and move Illinois to Conference USA.

Lets pretend that you are joking... You obviously haven't lived in B1G country...

Yeah, pretty sure it was sarcasm reflecting how bad Illinois is.

(05-25-2014 12:49 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 10:29 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I think the better option is to put BYU in the Big 10 and move Illinois to Conference USA.

Lets pretend that you are joking... You obviously haven't lived in B1G country...

If BYU is good enough for the Big XII, its good enough for the Big 10.

(05-25-2014 01:23 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 12:49 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 10:29 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I think the better option is to put BYU in the Big 10 and move Illinois to Conference USA.

Lets pretend that you are joking... You obviously haven't lived in B1G country...

If BYU is good enough for the Big XII, its good enough for the Big 10.

Excellent point when you think about it.

The Big 12 called and they just stated that not making a move is their next move, but please stay by the phone and they will call if anything changes