(05-20-2014 10:14 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

Quote:— Address the "one and done" phenomenon in men's basketball. If the NBA its Players Association are unable to agree to raising the age limit for players, consider restoring the freshman ineligibility rule in men's basketball.

This is my favorite. It is my hope that it could force the NBA and NFL into introducing a minor league system for their organizations. IMO scholar/athletes should be just that. Those who have professional desires should have professional options such as minor leagues, similar to what baseball has.

(05-21-2014 09:09 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:00 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 08:54 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  — Liberalize the current rules limiting the ability of student-athletes to transfer between institutions.



I do agree with this one. If schools can revoke scholarships any time they wish, players should have it much easier leaving any time they wish.

I agree to a point, but if this is just going to turn into P5 schools recruiting the best G5 school players away every year then I don't agree with it.

That's the one that can have the most effect on competitive balance. Tulane takes a good kid that works himself into an All Conference player and then the player leaves after his junior year to go play for LSU. If you allow players to transfer willy-nilly without sitting out a year and such then the Big money schools will use the G5 as a farm system...

If P5 schools can use G5 schools as 'farm systems' for coaches, why not players?

The playing field between the school and the players should be level. If administrators, faculty, staff, and coaches are allowed to leave one university for another "without penalty", then so should athletes.

(05-21-2014 09:34 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 10:14 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

Quote:— Address the "one and done" phenomenon in men's basketball. If the NBA its Players Association are unable to agree to raising the age limit for players, consider restoring the freshman ineligibility rule in men's basketball.

This is my favorite. It is my hope that it could force the NBA and NFL into introducing a minor league system for their organizations. IMO scholar/athletes should be just that. Those who have professional desires should have professional options such as minor leagues, similar to what baseball has.

When freshmen were ineligible, did that force the NBA to have a minor league?

(05-21-2014 09:14 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  OK --- fairness to players aside --- say *some* G5 schools keep the 1 year transfer 'ball and chain' on their players. Others, for recruiting reasons, don't. Who gets the recruit?

And some G5 programs will certainly do this. Citing fairness to the players (and it is) but also gaining benefit to their own program if some or most of the other G5s opt out.

(05-21-2014 09:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:34 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 10:14 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

Quote:— Address the "one and done" phenomenon in men's basketball. If the NBA its Players Association are unable to agree to raising the age limit for players, consider restoring the freshman ineligibility rule in men's basketball.

This is my favorite. It is my hope that it could force the NBA and NFL into introducing a minor league system for their organizations. IMO scholar/athletes should be just that. Those who have professional desires should have professional options such as minor leagues, similar to what baseball has.

When freshmen were ineligible, did that force the NBA to have a minor league?

No, but it forced the freshmen to become students first and foremost before concentrating on athletics the second year. It is in the best interest of the kids academically. It doesn't change my desire for the NBA and NFL to develop minor league systems.

(05-21-2014 09:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:09 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:00 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 08:54 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  — Liberalize the current rules limiting the ability of student-athletes to transfer between institutions.



I do agree with this one. If schools can revoke scholarships any time they wish, players should have it much easier leaving any time they wish.

I agree to a point, but if this is just going to turn into P5 schools recruiting the best G5 school players away every year then I don't agree with it.

That's the one that can have the most effect on competitive balance. Tulane takes a good kid that works himself into an All Conference player and then the player leaves after his junior year to go play for LSU. If you allow players to transfer willy-nilly without sitting out a year and such then the Big money schools will use the G5 as a farm system...

If P5 schools can use G5 schools as 'farm systems' for coaches, why not players?

The playing field between the school and the players should be level. If administrators, faculty, staff, and coaches are allowed to leave one university for another "without penalty", then so should athletes.

Because G5 fans arent going to attend "farm club" sports and donate money to "farm club" sports. What profit motive do schools have to maintain a "farm club" for someone else at that point?

Are we truly trying to kill college sports?

(05-21-2014 09:47 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:09 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:00 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 08:54 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  — Liberalize the current rules limiting the ability of student-athletes to transfer between institutions.



I do agree with this one. If schools can revoke scholarships any time they wish, players should have it much easier leaving any time they wish.

I agree to a point, but if this is just going to turn into P5 schools recruiting the best G5 school players away every year then I don't agree with it.

That's the one that can have the most effect on competitive balance. Tulane takes a good kid that works himself into an All Conference player and then the player leaves after his junior year to go play for LSU. If you allow players to transfer willy-nilly without sitting out a year and such then the Big money schools will use the G5 as a farm system...

If P5 schools can use G5 schools as 'farm systems' for coaches, why not players?

The playing field between the school and the players should be level. If administrators, faculty, staff, and coaches are allowed to leave one university for another "without penalty", then so should athletes.

Because G5 fans arent going to attend "farm club" sports and donate money to "farm club" sports. What profit motive do schools have to maintain a "farm club" for someone else at that point?

Are we truly trying to kill college sports?

I think it could be more of a mess for fans and schools with dealing with the potential of thousands of free agents each year, even including D2/FCS schools. What stops that. Perhaps a 4 year scholarship will provide the speed bump.
I'm not saying they can't transfer but there has to be some restrictions since the school spent time/money on getting the athlete. Just as a regular student who has a scholarship from a university, that scholarship doesn't transfer to the other university....If the athlete is receiving only govt grants/loans and/or 3rd party scholarships then there should be no restriction. Certain hardship cases are of course withstanding.

(05-21-2014 09:47 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:09 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:00 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 08:54 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  — Liberalize the current rules limiting the ability of student-athletes to transfer between institutions.



I do agree with this one. If schools can revoke scholarships any time they wish, players should have it much easier leaving any time they wish.

I agree to a point, but if this is just going to turn into P5 schools recruiting the best G5 school players away every year then I don't agree with it.

That's the one that can have the most effect on competitive balance. Tulane takes a good kid that works himself into an All Conference player and then the player leaves after his junior year to go play for LSU. If you allow players to transfer willy-nilly without sitting out a year and such then the Big money schools will use the G5 as a farm system...

If P5 schools can use G5 schools as 'farm systems' for coaches, why not players?

The playing field between the school and the players should be level. If administrators, faculty, staff, and coaches are allowed to leave one university for another "without penalty", then so should athletes.

Because G5 fans arent going to attend "farm club" sports and donate money to "farm club" sports. What profit motive do schools have to maintain a "farm club" for someone else at that point?

Are we truly trying to kill college sports?

They're getting surprisingly close to doing just that. The real problem is going to come when the non football schools down vote this. Basketball doesn't drive the bus but the majority of non football schools aren't going to be able to compete with full cost of attendance for all their athletes. They're on the verge of killing the NCAA tourney.

(05-21-2014 09:47 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:09 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:00 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 08:54 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  — Liberalize the current rules limiting the ability of student-athletes to transfer between institutions.



I do agree with this one. If schools can revoke scholarships any time they wish, players should have it much easier leaving any time they wish.

I agree to a point, but if this is just going to turn into P5 schools recruiting the best G5 school players away every year then I don't agree with it.

That's the one that can have the most effect on competitive balance. Tulane takes a good kid that works himself into an All Conference player and then the player leaves after his junior year to go play for LSU. If you allow players to transfer willy-nilly without sitting out a year and such then the Big money schools will use the G5 as a farm system...

If P5 schools can use G5 schools as 'farm systems' for coaches, why not players?

The playing field between the school and the players should be level. If administrators, faculty, staff, and coaches are allowed to leave one university for another "without penalty", then so should athletes.

Because G5 fans arent going to attend "farm club" sports and donate money to "farm club" sports. What profit motive do schools have to maintain a "farm club" for someone else at that point?

Are we truly trying to kill college sports?

Coaches come and go and fans still attend and donate. They will do the same with players.

But even if they don't, that's not a fair reason to entrap athletes in rules that don't apply to others.

Besides, G5 fans already know their teams are made up of players deemed not good enough by the power conferences. That's nothing new.

(05-21-2014 10:13 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:47 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:09 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:00 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I agree to a point, but if this is just going to turn into P5 schools recruiting the best G5 school players away every year then I don't agree with it.

That's the one that can have the most effect on competitive balance. Tulane takes a good kid that works himself into an All Conference player and then the player leaves after his junior year to go play for LSU. If you allow players to transfer willy-nilly without sitting out a year and such then the Big money schools will use the G5 as a farm system...

If P5 schools can use G5 schools as 'farm systems' for coaches, why not players?

The playing field between the school and the players should be level. If administrators, faculty, staff, and coaches are allowed to leave one university for another "without penalty", then so should athletes.

Because G5 fans arent going to attend "farm club" sports and donate money to "farm club" sports. What profit motive do schools have to maintain a "farm club" for someone else at that point?

Are we truly trying to kill college sports?

I think it could be more of a mess for fans and schools with dealing with the potential of thousands of free agents each year, even including D2/FCS schools. What stops that. Perhaps a 4 year scholarship will provide the speed bump.

I don't see how a school should possibly be able to claim a 4-year hold on an athlete if it hasn't made a 4-year commitment in the form of a guaranteed 4-year scholarship.

As long as the scholarship is renewable annually (or not) by the school, the kid's commitment to the school should be renewable (or not) annually as well.

(05-21-2014 11:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:47 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:09 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:00 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I agree to a point, but if this is just going to turn into P5 schools recruiting the best G5 school players away every year then I don't agree with it.

That's the one that can have the most effect on competitive balance. Tulane takes a good kid that works himself into an All Conference player and then the player leaves after his junior year to go play for LSU. If you allow players to transfer willy-nilly without sitting out a year and such then the Big money schools will use the G5 as a farm system...

If P5 schools can use G5 schools as 'farm systems' for coaches, why not players?

The playing field between the school and the players should be level. If administrators, faculty, staff, and coaches are allowed to leave one university for another "without penalty", then so should athletes.

Because G5 fans arent going to attend "farm club" sports and donate money to "farm club" sports. What profit motive do schools have to maintain a "farm club" for someone else at that point?

Are we truly trying to kill college sports?

Coaches come and go and fans still attend and donate. They will do the same with players.

But even if they don't, that's not a fair reason to entrap athletes in rules that don't apply to others.

Besides, G5 fans already know their teams are made up of players deemed not good enough by the power conferences. That's nothing new.

lol, one of our backups left for playing time and ended up starting at Ole Miss.

How many G5's had more players drafted than Texas?

Not every G5 player is "not good enough".

Here's the flipside: Tulane can now go after the 3rd string LB from Michigan who gets zero playing time but in reality is a 3*/4* prospect that could come into the Green Wave defense and contribute immediately.

Look at Gilburt (SMU). Texas failure turned SMU moderate success. He was drafted!

(05-21-2014 12:50 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Here's the flipside: Tulane can now go after the 3rd string LB from Michigan who gets zero playing time but in reality is a 3*/4* prospect that could come into the Green Wave defense and contribute immediately.

Look at Gilburt (SMU). Texas failure turned SMU moderate success. He was drafted!

Now true that is the other side of that coin and the thing the P5 schools would have to think about if they wanted that rule. I can't see it happening mostly because would lets say Mississippi State want Alabama to come recruiting their best players? Having free reign to transfer penalty free anywhere opens up Pandora's box and it's a mess for everyone.

(05-21-2014 07:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 12:31 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  I do agree that if a coaching staff leaves then the player should be granted an appeal to transfer immediately (not necessarily guaranteed but not unrealistic either). But, barring that case, as well as family illness (not homesickness), transfers should sit out a season. They're making a commitment when they sign their LOI to the school. For 4 years. These young men and women need to learn that their word is important.

That reasoning should apply only if the school has itself committed to the athlete for 4 years by giving them a guaranteed 4-year scholarship. But if it is a typical one-year-renewable scholarship, then at the end of each year, the student should have same right to decide whether to renew or not as the school has, and just as the school can decide to drop the scholarship with no further obligation, so should the student (i.e., should be free to transfer and play immediately anywhere).

Not sure why it should be lopsided against the student. The coach can tell the student pretty much anything he wants then up and leave.

(05-21-2014 11:51 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 11:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:47 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-21-2014 09:09 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  That's the one that can have the most effect on competitive balance. Tulane takes a good kid that works himself into an All Conference player and then the player leaves after his junior year to go play for LSU. If you allow players to transfer willy-nilly without sitting out a year and such then the Big money schools will use the G5 as a farm system...

If P5 schools can use G5 schools as 'farm systems' for coaches, why not players?

The playing field between the school and the players should be level. If administrators, faculty, staff, and coaches are allowed to leave one university for another "without penalty", then so should athletes.

Because G5 fans arent going to attend "farm club" sports and donate money to "farm club" sports. What profit motive do schools have to maintain a "farm club" for someone else at that point?

Are we truly trying to kill college sports?

Coaches come and go and fans still attend and donate. They will do the same with players.

But even if they don't, that's not a fair reason to entrap athletes in rules that don't apply to others.

Besides, G5 fans already know their teams are made up of players deemed not good enough by the power conferences. That's nothing new.

lol, one of our backups left for playing time and ended up starting at Ole Miss.

How many G5's had more players drafted than Texas?

Not every G5 player is "not good enough".

Nobody said "every single ...". Typically, the P5 schools get the better players. That's hardly new news.