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(05-20-2014 09:12 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  I believe Troy, USA, and Louisiana will have the best offenses in the SBC this year.

This is probably my homerism talking, but I truly think that Texas State will have one of the top 3 offenses in the Sun Belt this season.

We have an offensive line that has played together for a solid year already (they will be sophomores and juniors... they've been together 3 years), returning our RB core, most of our WR, and our QB was a true freshman last year.

Oh, and I think our defense will give up plenty of points, so we will HAVE to be good on offense.

But again, that's probably just my own homerism talking. I know the Cajuns offense will be good (they killed us last year), and Troy's torched us too, but I could see the Bobcats in that mix as well.
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(05-20-2014 02:05 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  ...and for them ( Idaho and NMSU ) to make that sort of jump in a better league than they were in last year would be truly remarkable.

Of course, no league was better than the one Idaho and NMSU were in last year.

But that's only because they weren't in one.

But you can tell us 'Welcome Home' now, cause we're here to win this thing!!!

Hee-hee! At least I've the false bravado.
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(05-20-2014 02:58 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 09:12 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  I believe Troy, USA, and Louisiana will have the best offenses in the SBC this year.

This is probably my homerism talking, but I truly think that Texas State will have one of the top 3 offenses in the Sun Belt this season.

We have an offensive line that has played together for a solid year already (they will be sophomores and juniors... they've been together 3 years), returning our RB core, most of our WR, and our QB was a true freshman last year.

Oh, and I think our defense will give up plenty of points, so we will HAVE to be good on offense.

But again, that's probably just my own homerism talking. I know the Cajuns offense will be good (they killed us last year), and Troy's torched us too, but I could see the Bobcats in that mix as well.

I'm not saying Texas State won't be good, but all three of Troy, USA, and Louisiana bring back almost their entire offensive lines, wide receivers, and running backs as well. Three offenses that are already proven. We've all added a lot of high caliber transfers and JUCO talent. USA was a step behind Troy and Louisiana on offense last season, but with the talent they've added at receiver, they should be in the mix. Keep in mind Troy only scored less than 30 twice all season last year, both times in Mississippi, and never under 30 to a SBC team. Louisiana has en enormous amount of talent, and USA has three wide receivers that transfered from Alabama and two NFL caliber tight ends. That's hard to beat.

Texas State can be good, but it's hard to leap frog what I've listed above. I think you're underestimating your defense. In my opinion it'll be better than you think, and your offense not quite as good as you think.
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(05-20-2014 09:12 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  I believe Troy, USA, and Louisiana will have the best offenses in the SBC this year.

This is probably my homerism talking, but I truly think that Texas State will have one of the top 3 offenses in the Sun Belt this season.

We have an offensive line that has played together for a solid year already (they will be sophomores and juniors... they've been together 3 years), returning our RB core, most of our WR, and our QB was a true freshman last year.

Oh, and I think our defense will give up plenty of points, so we will HAVE to be good on offense.

But again, that's probably just my own homerism talking. I know the Cajuns offense will be good (they killed us last year), and Troy's torched us too, but I could see the Bobcats in that mix as well.

I'm no saying Texas State won't be good, but all three of Troy, USA, and Louisiana bring back almost their entire offensive lines, wide receivers, and running backs as well. Three offenses that are already proven. We've all added a lot of high caliber transfers and JUCO talent. USA was a step behind Troy and Louisiana on offense last season, but with the talent they've added at receiver, they should be in the mix. Keep in mind Troy only scored less than 30 twice all season last year, both times in Mississippi, and never under 30 to a SBC team. Louisiana has en enormous amount of talent, and USA has three wide receivers that transfered from Alabama and two NFL caliber tight ends. That's hard to beat.

Texas State can be good, but it's hard to leap frog what I've listed above. I think you're underestimating your defense. In my opinion it'll be better than you think, and your offense not quite as good as you think.

I agree on the defense point TXST reloaded our poor D-line with some promising JUCO players and we return our linebackers Mike Orakpo and David Mayo. The secondary is still a big question mark but improvement up front should help them a lot more than last year. We lost some of our star FCS recruited WR's that put in some real work but are replacing them with 3 star redshirts in Gunter and Mercer who I think are TXST stars in the making. Not to mention return of our entire starting O-line and some real maulers in this years recruiting class. Returning a beastly RB group will also go a long way to help our Golden Boy QB develop his sophomore season. I may be looking at this through maroon colored glasses but I think we will be a team that will make you pay if you overlook us.
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(05-20-2014 08:49 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  While I agree for the most part and like the idea of troy being that high, a lot of recruiting isn't covered by 247 or any of the services. Many top SBC playmakers are BCS/AQ/P5 transfers. Dowling from WKU as an example.

Also, as much as I agree with this thread (and it hurts because Troy's last two non-juco classes haven't been that good) I seem to remember you saying Arkansas State was the next Boise last year, and that no one in the SBC had the talent to step to Arkansas State. When clearly, two teams did, and one or two others came close to knocking off the red wolves. I see shades of the "we are the best ever" developing again here.

I think Arkansas State will be down this year. Not much, maybe 2nd 3rd or 4th place finish. Enough talent to contend, for sure.

How can you say the last 2 classes weren't that good minus jucos...? The majority of them were redshirted...and the ones that played as true froshes have been impressive.

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(05-20-2014 05:50 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 08:49 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  While I agree for the most part and like the idea of troy being that high, a lot of recruiting isn't covered by 247 or any of the services. Many top SBC playmakers are BCS/AQ/P5 transfers. Dowling from WKU as an example.

Also, as much as I agree with this thread (and it hurts because Troy's last two non-juco classes haven't been that good) I seem to remember you saying Arkansas State was the next Boise last year, and that no one in the SBC had the talent to step to Arkansas State. When clearly, two teams did, and one or two others came close to knocking off the red wolves. I see shades of the "we are the best ever" developing again here.

I think Arkansas State will be down this year. Not much, maybe 2nd 3rd or 4th place finish. Enough talent to contend, for sure.

How can you say the last 2 classes weren't that good minus jucos...? The majority of them were redshirted...and the ones that played as true froshes have been impressive.

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This 2014 class and the 2013 class compared to previous classes per ESPN.com. While recruiting services aren't everything (for instance, Chunn and Burkes are 2-Stars), our recent classes have far less "star power". That's all I'm saying. I should have worded what I said differently. They could obviously be way better than advertised.
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(05-20-2014 06:48 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 05:50 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 08:49 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  While I agree for the most part and like the idea of troy being that high, a lot of recruiting isn't covered by 247 or any of the services. Many top SBC playmakers are BCS/AQ/P5 transfers. Dowling from WKU as an example.

Also, as much as I agree with this thread (and it hurts because Troy's last two non-juco classes haven't been that good) I seem to remember you saying Arkansas State was the next Boise last year, and that no one in the SBC had the talent to step to Arkansas State. When clearly, two teams did, and one or two others came close to knocking off the red wolves. I see shades of the "we are the best ever" developing again here.

I think Arkansas State will be down this year. Not much, maybe 2nd 3rd or 4th place finish. Enough talent to contend, for sure.

How can you say the last 2 classes weren't that good minus jucos...? The majority of them were redshirted...and the ones that played as true froshes have been impressive.

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This 2014 class and the 2013 class compared to previous classes per ESPN.com. While recruiting services aren't everything (for instance, Chunn and Burkes are 2-Stars), our recent classes have far less "star power". That's all I'm saying. I should have worded what I said differently. They could obviously be way better than advertised.
Stars are fun but to really know requires some digging, and that takes work. The best way to judge a player is who and how many 'offers' they have, and that is hard to track without a lot of work.

May have to visit several sites, or if you are near a school ask the coaches during the recruiting roundup, which is what people do at ASU's.

Bottom line when you see 2-star types with long offer sheets, that include top 10 teams, and maybe have started for a major school, you can assume they are considered better prospects, than players with three stars with one or two offers.

The reason I know ASU is recruiting well is I know that almost every player they have signed had offers from schools that most fans would say are ahead of ASU on the FBS food chain, and will make to campus . I just don't know that level of detail about the other SBC classes, with the same confidence as I do ASU .

If you coaches are recruiting as well as ASU, you are going to be a very, very good team. How good? if ASU can get some coaches to stick around you will see how good their talent is, and you will be impressed. Make that very impressed, because it does take time to acclimate coaches and players, and coaching turnover is the only reason ASU does not have 3 undisputed championships to go along with the best talent in the SBC.

We already knew this years ASU team would be as good or better than the last three if they could address a few issues with recruiting, specifically depth at RB and interior DL depth.

With that I will let you guys get back to discussing realignment and TV issues, subjects I care little about. Enjoy the year and I look forward to following the SBC again.
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(05-20-2014 07:47 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 06:48 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 05:50 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 08:49 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  While I agree for the most part and like the idea of troy being that high, a lot of recruiting isn't covered by 247 or any of the services. Many top SBC playmakers are BCS/AQ/P5 transfers. Dowling from WKU as an example.

Also, as much as I agree with this thread (and it hurts because Troy's last two non-juco classes haven't been that good) I seem to remember you saying Arkansas State was the next Boise last year, and that no one in the SBC had the talent to step to Arkansas State. When clearly, two teams did, and one or two others came close to knocking off the red wolves. I see shades of the "we are the best ever" developing again here.

I think Arkansas State will be down this year. Not much, maybe 2nd 3rd or 4th place finish. Enough talent to contend, for sure.

How can you say the last 2 classes weren't that good minus jucos...? The majority of them were redshirted...and the ones that played as true froshes have been impressive.

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This 2014 class and the 2013 class compared to previous classes per ESPN.com. While recruiting services aren't everything (for instance, Chunn and Burkes are 2-Stars), our recent classes have far less "star power". That's all I'm saying. I should have worded what I said differently. They could obviously be way better than advertised.
Stars are fun but to really know requires some digging, and that takes work. The best way to judge a player is who and how many 'offers' they have, and that is hard to track without a lot of work.

May have to visit several sites, or if you are near a school ask the coaches during the recruiting roundup, which is what people do at ASU's.

Bottom line when you see 2-star types with long offer sheets, that include top 10 teams, and maybe have started for a major school, you can assume they are considered better prospects, than players with three stars with one or two offers.

The reason I know ASU is recruiting well is I know that almost every player they have signed had offers from schools that most fans would say are ahead of ASU on the FBS food chain, and will make to campus . I just don't know that level of detail about the other SBC classes, with the same confidence as I do ASU .

If you coaches are recruiting as well as ASU, you are going to be a very, very good team. How good? if ASU can get some coaches to stick around you will see how good their talent is, and you will be impressed. Make that very impressed, because it does take time to acclimate coaches and players, and coaching turnover is the only reason ASU does not have 3 undisputed championships to go along with the best talent in the SBC.

We already knew this years ASU team would be as good or better than the last three if they could address a few issues with recruiting, specifically depth at RB and interior DL depth.

With that I will let you guys get back to discussing realignment and TV issues, subjects I care little about. Enjoy the year and I look forward to following the SBC again.

What you've just stated is why so many Louisiana fans are very high on the future of out program. We have managed to stockpile some really good kids who were fallback or grey shirt prospects for several Sec programs. Some had legit offers but at different positions than what they want to play.

Hudspeth has done a great job at evaluating prospects and closing the deal on kids who are mid to low level SEC players. They are super stars for us but would ride the pine at LSU, Bama, auburn and Florida.

As a whole the Sun Belt is making great strides in recruiting and hopefully we continue to win our OOC games against the G5 schools like we did last year.
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(05-21-2014 06:45 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 07:47 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 06:48 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 05:50 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 08:49 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  While I agree for the most part and like the idea of troy being that high, a lot of recruiting isn't covered by 247 or any of the services. Many top SBC playmakers are BCS/AQ/P5 transfers. Dowling from WKU as an example.

Also, as much as I agree with this thread (and it hurts because Troy's last two non-juco classes haven't been that good) I seem to remember you saying Arkansas State was the next Boise last year, and that no one in the SBC had the talent to step to Arkansas State. When clearly, two teams did, and one or two others came close to knocking off the red wolves. I see shades of the "we are the best ever" developing again here.

I think Arkansas State will be down this year. Not much, maybe 2nd 3rd or 4th place finish. Enough talent to contend, for sure.

How can you say the last 2 classes weren't that good minus jucos...? The majority of them were redshirted...and the ones that played as true froshes have been impressive.

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This 2014 class and the 2013 class compared to previous classes per ESPN.com. While recruiting services aren't everything (for instance, Chunn and Burkes are 2-Stars), our recent classes have far less "star power". That's all I'm saying. I should have worded what I said differently. They could obviously be way better than advertised.
Stars are fun but to really know requires some digging, and that takes work. The best way to judge a player is who and how many 'offers' they have, and that is hard to track without a lot of work.

May have to visit several sites, or if you are near a school ask the coaches during the recruiting roundup, which is what people do at ASU's.

Bottom line when you see 2-star types with long offer sheets, that include top 10 teams, and maybe have started for a major school, you can assume they are considered better prospects, than players with three stars with one or two offers.

The reason I know ASU is recruiting well is I know that almost every player they have signed had offers from schools that most fans would say are ahead of ASU on the FBS food chain, and will make to campus . I just don't know that level of detail about the other SBC classes, with the same confidence as I do ASU .

If you coaches are recruiting as well as ASU, you are going to be a very, very good team. How good? if ASU can get some coaches to stick around you will see how good their talent is, and you will be impressed. Make that very impressed, because it does take time to acclimate coaches and players, and coaching turnover is the only reason ASU does not have 3 undisputed championships to go along with the best talent in the SBC.

We already knew this years ASU team would be as good or better than the last three if they could address a few issues with recruiting, specifically depth at RB and interior DL depth.

With that I will let you guys get back to discussing realignment and TV issues, subjects I care little about. Enjoy the year and I look forward to following the SBC again.

What you've just stated is why so many Louisiana fans are very high on the future of out program. We have managed to stockpile some really good kids who were fallback or grey shirt prospects for several Sec programs. Some had legit offers but at different positions than what they want to play.

Hudspeth has done a great job at evaluating prospects and closing the deal on kids who are mid to low level SEC players. They are super stars for us but would ride the pine at LSU, Bama, auburn and Florida.

As a whole the Sun Belt is making great strides in recruiting and hopefully we continue to win our OOC games against the G5 schools like we did last year.
Think the 'standard model' for success at the FBS level is have exceptional coaches, that recruit well every year, win and stick around.

Normally only the top schools are in a position to make that happen and it is not easy for them. That Louisiana has been able to accomplish this is one of the really big stories in FBS football.

I do find it ironic that the most unstable program in all of football, Arkansas State, has been able to achieve basically the same results. They are definitely not following the 'standard model' for FBS success.
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(05-20-2014 06:48 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 05:50 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 08:49 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  While I agree for the most part and like the idea of troy being that high, a lot of recruiting isn't covered by 247 or any of the services. Many top SBC playmakers are BCS/AQ/P5 transfers. Dowling from WKU as an example.

Also, as much as I agree with this thread (and it hurts because Troy's last two non-juco classes haven't been that good) I seem to remember you saying Arkansas State was the next Boise last year, and that no one in the SBC had the talent to step to Arkansas State. When clearly, two teams did, and one or two others came close to knocking off the red wolves. I see shades of the "we are the best ever" developing again here.

I think Arkansas State will be down this year. Not much, maybe 2nd 3rd or 4th place finish. Enough talent to contend, for sure.

How can you say the last 2 classes weren't that good minus jucos...? The majority of them were redshirted...and the ones that played as true froshes have been impressive.

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This 2014 class and the 2013 class compared to previous classes per ESPN.com. While recruiting services aren't everything (for instance, Chunn and Burkes are 2-Stars), our recent classes have far less "star power". That's all I'm saying. I should have worded what I said differently. They could obviously be way better than advertised.

Chunn has been upgraded to Freshman All American....04-rock

Great kid as well and will spending time in our home this summer.

As much as I've blasted scouting services 247 does by far the best job in our area.ESPN has ZERO presence so I cant imagine how they evaluate.The areas that SBC recruit will have a light ESPN presence and Jr highlights/offer lists will determine alot.HUDL will help to bring all the services more aligned in evaluation in the next few years,sorry to get off tangent.
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(05-21-2014 07:21 AM)WhitetailWizard Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 06:48 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 05:50 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 08:49 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  While I agree for the most part and like the idea of troy being that high, a lot of recruiting isn't covered by 247 or any of the services. Many top SBC playmakers are BCS/AQ/P5 transfers. Dowling from WKU as an example.

Also, as much as I agree with this thread (and it hurts because Troy's last two non-juco classes haven't been that good) I seem to remember you saying Arkansas State was the next Boise last year, and that no one in the SBC had the talent to step to Arkansas State. When clearly, two teams did, and one or two others came close to knocking off the red wolves. I see shades of the "we are the best ever" developing again here.

I think Arkansas State will be down this year. Not much, maybe 2nd 3rd or 4th place finish. Enough talent to contend, for sure.

How can you say the last 2 classes weren't that good minus jucos...? The majority of them were redshirted...and the ones that played as true froshes have been impressive.

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This 2014 class and the 2013 class compared to previous classes per ESPN.com. While recruiting services aren't everything (for instance, Chunn and Burkes are 2-Stars), our recent classes have far less "star power". That's all I'm saying. I should have worded what I said differently. They could obviously be way better than advertised.

Chunn has been upgraded to Freshman All American....04-rock

Great kid as well and will spending time in our home this summer.

As much as I've blasted scouting services 247 does by far the best job in our area.ESPN has ZERO presence so I cant imagine how they evaluate.The areas that SBC recruit will have a light ESPN presence and Jr highlights/offer lists will determine alot.HUDL will help to bring all the services more aligned in evaluation in the next few years,sorry to get off tangent.

Chunn was at the top of my list, but we had several freshmen that contributed last season...OL, LB, and safety. Improved recruiting is a key, but let's not oversimplify the fact that position coaching, at this level, is very valuable also.
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(05-20-2014 11:06 AM)GSU Eagle Wrote:  
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(05-20-2014 09:09 AM)GSUsTALON Wrote:   I’d rather have “superior coaching” and average talent than rest all my hopes on a ranking system of an athletes “possible” potential.

You are going to have to recruit at the FBS level. You can't rely on getting the avg. talent and just plug them in where you think they fit best. That doesn't work at any IA conference.

If you can't recruit, then you don't win in FBS, its that simple. Just ask Idaho or NMSU.

I think we're doing ok in that department... http://247sports.com/Season/2014-Footbal...erence=SBC


Great start for us but we need to do even better as we did not sign a full class. One good year is just that, we need probably two more similar signing classes like that or better to get to consistently comptet at the top of this conference.
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(05-22-2014 01:37 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 11:06 AM)GSU Eagle Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 10:55 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 09:09 AM)GSUsTALON Wrote:   I’d rather have “superior coaching” and average talent than rest all my hopes on a ranking system of an athletes “possible” potential.

You are going to have to recruit at the FBS level. You can't rely on getting the avg. talent and just plug them in where you think they fit best. That doesn't work at any IA conference.

If you can't recruit, then you don't win in FBS, its that simple. Just ask Idaho or NMSU.

I think we're doing ok in that department... http://247sports.com/Season/2014-Footbal...erence=SBC


Great start for us but we need to do even better as we did not sign a full class. One good year is just that, we need probably two more similar signing classes like that or better to get to consistently comptet at the top of this conference.
I saw that on 24/7 but am confused. Rivals does not show your ranking and Scout has you next to last (have App #4, which is pretty good because Scout ranks everyone harder than any other site).

http://arkansasstate.scout.com/a.z?s=334...=2&yr=2014

Click on Sunbelt to see the rankings.

Looking at the offers, it did not seem to be an overly impressive class, so I did not give it much though until I saw 24/7 so what's the real scoop? What are they missing? I know they don't have the offers for ASU's players correct.

My issue with 24/7 is it should be impossible to be ranked #1 on 24/7 when one of the 4 sites used to do the rankings has class at #10, and again I cannot find the Rivals ranking. They have not emailed me back yet.
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