http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-13...ood-addict

The cigarette analogy was inevitable, and maybe appropriate.

This makes things tough, especially if you're trying to lose weight. Gotta stick w/ the natural goods, and don't even try a sample of these goodies.

If you are trying to lose weight, get off your arse. Eating has much less to do with it than idleness.

(05-14-2014 08:15 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  If you are trying to lose weight, get off your arse. Eating has much less to do with it than idleness.

The two are connected, but you're never going to exercise enough to burn off too many calories.

Exercise can help reduce cravings, which makes it doubly important. But it's a rare person who routinely burns off 2500 calories/day or more.

(05-14-2014 08:15 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  If you are trying to lose weight, get off your arse. Eating has much less to do with it than idleness.

Wrong. 85% of losing weight is diet.

(05-14-2014 08:44 AM)Clueless Economist Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 08:15 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  If you are trying to lose weight, get off your arse. Eating has much less to do with it than idleness.

Wrong. 85% of losing weight is diet.

Disagree. It is the other way around in my experience.

(05-14-2014 08:07 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-13...ood-addict

The cigarette analogy was inevitable, and maybe appropriate.

This makes things tough, especially if you're trying to lose weight. Gotta stick w/ the natural goods, and don't even try a sample of these goodies.

Once again things the left laughed off as ridiculous is coming to pass..

Quote:Amongst their many recommendations, the researchers proposed that hyperpalatable foods be taxed like cigarettes, have their accessibility reduced (e.g. removal of vending machines from specific locations), and that manufacturers be limited in terms of marketing and sales

So when we say that our current trajectory will lead to sanctioned poly-amorous marriages, reduced age of consent laws, and other sick ass things we're probably right.

First, that waffle taco is a crime against humanity, but we as humans were designed to have cravings. It was a signal that alerted us to a dense energy food source. I'm not mad the food companies are exploiting this biological quirk, if you know they do it (and everyone knows fast food taste way better than it should) just avoid or minimize your consumption of said items. Stop looking for the Gov't to save you from making decisions.

(05-14-2014 09:12 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 08:44 AM)Clueless Economist Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 08:15 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  If you are trying to lose weight, get off your arse. Eating has much less to do with it than idleness.

Wrong. 85% of losing weight is diet.

Disagree. It is the other way around in my experience.

It's going to be different for different people... As Torch said one almost always helps the other so you should do both..

(05-14-2014 09:15 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 09:12 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 08:44 AM)Clueless Economist Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 08:15 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  If you are trying to lose weight, get off your arse. Eating has much less to do with it than idleness.

Wrong. 85% of losing weight is diet.

Disagree. It is the other way around in my experience.

It's going to be different for different people... As Torch said one almost always helps the other so you should do both..

I consume a lot more calories when I exercise vigorously, but I can't lose or maintain my weight unless I do. When I train for a half-marathon, I typically lose about 20 pounds and I eat like an animal... like 4,000 calories per day with no filter. I find a long run is like cooking a turkey. It continues to cook long after it is taken out of the oven. I may have only burned 700 calories running that 7 miler, but I bet I burned an additional 700+ in the ensuing 4 hours of rest. My wife eats almost nothing... 1,200 calories if that, but refuses to break a sweat and complains that she doesn't lose weight. My son eats almost nothing but fast food, but plays basketball for about 4 hours every day and is skinny as a rail. I can only weigh in on my own experiences.

(05-14-2014 09:15 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 08:07 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-13...ood-addict

The cigarette analogy was inevitable, and maybe appropriate.

This makes things tough, especially if you're trying to lose weight. Gotta stick w/ the natural goods, and don't even try a sample of these goodies.

Once again things the left laughed off as ridiculous is coming to pass..

Quote:Amongst their many recommendations, the researchers proposed that hyperpalatable foods be taxed like cigarettes, have their accessibility reduced (e.g. removal of vending machines from specific locations), and that manufacturers be limited in terms of marketing and sales

So when we say that our current trajectory will lead to sanctioned poly-amorous marriages, reduced age of consent laws, and other sick ass things we're probably right.

Yup. Others have pointed out that as US leftists get their way w/ no taboos re: sex, they have gone off the prohibitionist deep end re: food.

Exercising occasionally can be enjoyable… dieting is never.
But I’m getting too old for the former.

Fortunately I eat to live, not live to eat.

(05-14-2014 09:12 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 08:44 AM)Clueless Economist Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 08:15 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  If you are trying to lose weight, get off your arse. Eating has much less to do with it than idleness.

Wrong. 85% of losing weight is diet.

Disagree. It is the other way around in my experience.

Your experience doesn't fit with the general math. I'm not saying it isn't your case... merely that you are far and away rare... and what is true for you today won't always be true.

30 minutes of exercise burns a few hundred calories. Eating a steak rather than a whopper saves 500 calories or more. Eating broccoli or a salad rather than fries and ketchup saves a few hundred more. Even eggs and bacon is hundreds of calories less than most cereals and some smoothies.

It is true that exercise creates more muscle mass which burns more calories while at rest... but you're talking about a very slow and long process here.

The easiest way for MOST people to lose a pound or two a week is to cut 500-1000 calories per day from your diet. It is far harder to burn 500-1000 more calories per day through exercise. Of course, if you can cut 1,000 calories AND burn 500 more, then you will lose weight faster.

A good plan for many people is to reduce their caloric intake and then start with 'large muscle' exercises as they will create the greatest muscle math the fastest. For cardio, interval training works pretty well to shrink the time. ALL of these p90x type programs seem to preach this sort of thing. If 1 lb = 800 calories (it depends on what you are burning... but for conversation) You cut 500 calories from your diet per day... you burn 200 more from exercise and 100 more from having more muscle mass and you lose 1lb per day.

We're not talking about people with chemical imbalances or other maladies... but your typical person.


I agree with your perspective, Aphid... but once a week or so, I truly enjoy a good meal.

(05-14-2014 09:25 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 09:15 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 09:12 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 08:44 AM)Clueless Economist Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 08:15 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  If you are trying to lose weight, get off your arse. Eating has much less to do with it than idleness.

Wrong. 85% of losing weight is diet.

Disagree. It is the other way around in my experience.

It's going to be different for different people... As Torch said one almost always helps the other so you should do both..

I consume a lot more calories when I exercise vigorously, but I can't lose or maintain my weight unless I do. When I train for a half-marathon, I typically lose about 20 pounds and I eat like an animal... like 4,000 calories per day with no filter. I find a long run is like cooking a turkey. It continues to cook long after it is taken out of the oven. I may have only burned 700 calories running that 7 miler, but I bet I burned an additional 700+ in the ensuing 4 hours of rest. My wife eats almost nothing... 1,200 calories if that, but refuses to break a sweat and complains that she doesn't lose weight. My son eats almost nothing but fast food, but plays basketball for about 4 hours every day and is skinny as a rail. I can only weigh in on my own experiences.

If you can run long distance that's a big help in burning calories. A lot of people can't do that. I used to, but can't anymore. I can run 3-4 miles slowly every few days (at most) which is better than nothing. But I have problems if I do more than that. So I'll have no choice but to watch what I eat more closely. I used to be like your son, I could eat pretty much whatever I wanted.

I knew i read this somewhere.

Reducing calories in turns puts your body into a survival mode which is designed to be as efficient as it can be with the food and drink you ingest while protecting the valuable fat that is in your body.

Pretty interesting read.
http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/cal...vation.htm

(05-14-2014 02:00 PM)DragonLair Wrote:  I knew i read this somewhere.

Reducing calories in turns puts your body into a survival mode which is designed to be as efficient as it can be with the food and drink you ingest while protecting the valuable fat that is in your body.

Pretty interesting read.
http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/cal...vation.htm

There is a difference though between reducing your calories below that which you burn and avoiding excess calories. i.e. if you burn 2500 calories and take in 3,000 you will gain weight. If you take in only 2500, you won't go into starvation mode. You can probably reasonably go to 2000 without triggering starvation, but perhaps not 1500.

The key is to ingest calories that are harder to process than fat which is where all of these low carb/low glycemic/high protein diets come from. ALL will work if you do them right... none will work if you don't. It is NEVER as simple as people want to make them sound.