(05-15-2014 08:09 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 09:35 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 09:24 PM)CajunExpress Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 08:51 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 08:45 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I really believe the conference is coming around to the idea that 11 may not be such a bad number, especially if we can have a football championship game with 11.

You don't want this. You really don't. Even if we don't bring on a 12th this year, the SBC will be at 12 members at some point. If the SBC decides to stay at 11 permanently, the eastern schools need to move lop off IDAHO as soon as the contract would allow it.

No. The conference took Idaho and NMSU to get to 12. These are the same school presidents that voted to take freaking IDAHO. UMASS has more going for it than IDAHO ever had.

You failed to acknowledged that we, the SBC would be taking the worst of U Mass without any of the good. That is why the MAC said goodbye. Their football is not needed. Kick out Idaho seems like you not even in yet and wanting to kick out the other guys.

If Liberty is not invited and I don't have a dog in the fight I agree with your point. UMass brings nothing to the SB minus a football that's won 1 FBS game in 2 years and that was a 0-12 Miami of OH team. Kick out Idaho and stay at 10.

We won 2 FBS games in 2 years, thank you very much. Don't cut our wins in half please.

2 wins in only 2 years - you guys have a dynasty going there.
Like I said before bet U R close to getting your program going with Whipple.

Takes a good 5 or 6 years to get the right recruits in, when you make a jump to FBS. This will be year 3, so we still need time.

Also, I think UMass getting invited to the Sun Belt comes down to how many out of conference basketball games we promise to play against you guys.

Our deal with the MAC was 4. My guess is that we're offering 2 or 3. The Sun Belt probably wants the 4. I think that could be one of the biggest problems to solve.

I liken UMass's recent struggles to WKU when they first moved up. Decent FCS team moves up, takes it's lumps, has a couple bad seasons, and gets better because of it. They've had an awkward stadium situation playing home games 100 miles from campus. But they have a good track record as a program. Mark Whipple won a title with them in '98 and has coached in the NFL. I think they will right the ship.


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Just don't give us any basketball games, it would be a waste for the Sun Belt.
We have a new bb coach, Jim Fox, Davidson assistant from Levittown, NY, grad of SUNY Geneseo
- after keeping a bad coach four years to save money for FBS. He needs a couple of years.

I think taking UMass FB only is a great move by the SBC.

1. Gives the SBC a nice state flagship school to round out the East division which is a little lacking in name power.

2. UMass could become a good recruiting program with exposure in Georgia.

3. Makes the SBC more attractive down the road for James Madison or Delaware. Especially if some of the western schools move to CUSA.

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(05-14-2014 12:25 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 11:35 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  EKU President said that. Benson's been stumping for Liberty so much the last couple months that if he changed course and went for UMass, I would be worried that his mind was being controlled by Aliens again.

But if Liberty doesn't have the numbers, and enough of those no votes are solid, then it might be time for a plan B.

So you set the agenda to first vote on possible all-sports invites, and only move on to FB-only invites if no all-sports invite is voted up.

I personally don't think Benson gives such aid and comfort to the opponents of Liberty if he thinks Liberty is close to having the votes to get an invite, but then again I'm not a close Benson-watcher.

No..... Liberty

(05-15-2014 08:39 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Just don't give us any basketball games, it would be a waste for the Sun Belt.
We have a new bb coach, Jim Fox, Davidson assistant from Levittown, NY, grad of SUNY Geneseo
- after keeping a bad coach four years to save money for FBS. He needs a couple of years.

How is adding UMASS basketball games a waste for the SBC? We need all the help we can get on that front with our terrible SOS. I'd welcome that help with open arms and think for sure that would have to be part of the deal.

He means don't give App the UMass games until Fox can turn the program back around from the mess Capel left us.

(05-15-2014 06:11 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Thought about starting a thread related to South Alabama and what helps a FCS team become a good FBS program. Will hold of on that now, but this is related. We were a top tier FCS program until Brown left and UMass promoted Morris to HC. He quickly brought us down to a mediocre FCS team and still dropping. The stars aligned and we were going FBS so UMass fired Morris, but nobody on our A listed wanted the job. Whip was coaching in the NFL so we hired a career assistant, who turned out to piss everyone off. Molnar last 3 years were bought out and Whip hired.

We will be very good again and showing it by 2015. Here is a qoute from the UMass Football Wiki link in my signature.

Quote:UMass has enjoyed various levels of success over the years. As a founding member of the Yankee Conference, Massachusetts won 17 Yankee Conference Championships, appearing in one National Championship game during that timespan. They fell to Florida A&M in this inaugural Division 1-AA Championship, 35–28. UMass' success continued as they began competition in the Atlantic 10 Conference in 1997. They went on to win four more conference titles while playing in the A-10 and make two more appearances in the National Championship game, winning it all in 1998. In 2006 the Minutemen took home the last A-10 title (the A-10 handed off management of their football league to the Colonial Athletic Association after the season) and made their most recent Championship game appearance. Their most recent conference championship came in 2007, the inaugural season under the CAA name.

We were forced to play home games at Gillette. Basically a new market from scratch. We increased attendance from year 1 to year 2 by 5k or nearly 50%.

Remember this, that increase in attendance was with acrappy team. Imagine how we'll do with a good team.

You've got me curious about what you were going to say about USA and the FCS-FBS transition. I hope you start that thread.

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It seems to me that if UMass is willing to defray a majority of traveling expenses for their opponents and kick in two home-and-home basketball series a year (which will help raise the RPI of even the teams that do not play them) that adding them would be a net gain financially for the conference. Benson would have a CCG in 2015 to sell and, while probably not a huge source of revenue, should still make this a positive move.
I assume the downside is for the West teams to have to travel more often to NMSU and Idaho.

(05-15-2014 10:43 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  He means don't give App the UMass games until Fox can turn the program back around from the mess Capel left us.

Yes, UMass games should be distributed fairly among those who ask for them ~ say, lottery draw and then whomever had them least recently.

The MAC got four home and home series, the Sunbelt could ask for the same.

(05-15-2014 11:16 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  It seems to me that if UMass is willing to defray a majority of traveling expenses for their opponents and kick in two home-and-home basketball series a year (which will help raise the RPI of even the teams that do not play them) that adding them would be a net gain financially for the conference.

Remember that the traveling expenses can be defrayed from the $1m extra the conference would get from the CFP pool for having the extra team ... that doesn't go to the team, it goes to the conference.

After all, that is basically where the Idaho traveling expenses (both ways) are coming from.

(05-15-2014 11:42 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 10:43 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  He means don't give App the UMass games until Fox can turn the program back around from the mess Capel left us.

Yes, UMass games should be distributed fairly among those who ask for them ~ say, lottery draw and then whomever had them least recently.

The MAC got four home and home series, the Sunbelt could ask for the same.

(05-15-2014 11:16 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  It seems to me that if UMass is willing to defray a majority of traveling expenses for their opponents and kick in two home-and-home basketball series a year (which will help raise the RPI of even the teams that do not play them) that adding them would be a net gain financially for the conference.

Remember that the traveling expenses can be defrayed from the $1m extra the conference would get from the CFP pool for having the extra team ... that doesn't go to the team, it goes to the conference.

After all, that is basically where the Idaho traveling expenses (both ways) are coming from.

I believe the MAC got four games, not series. The SBC should get whatever the MAC got.
Yes, the money for defraying traveling expenses should come from the playoff money. I believe the numbers being thrown around are half the $1 million, or $125,000 per visiting team, be used in this way.

The series would be on a rotation basis, home and home over two years with four different teams each two year period.

I don't think UMass is in a position to make demands.

What you guys think of SEMO being the 12th team? According to someone on Flame Fans it will be either Liberty or Southeast Missouri State.

4 games per year in basketball on a rotating basis, with two of those each year at an SBC venue. In a 3 year period, every SBC team must be played.

Those are my standards. No need for a home and home, but no just scheduling the top 4 teams in the league regularly and ignoring the rest of us either.

(05-15-2014 12:22 PM)Colonels12 Wrote:  What you guys think of SEMO being the 12th team? According to someone on Flame Fans it will be either Liberty or Southeast Missouri State.

Over Arkansas State's Dead Body.

(05-15-2014 12:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  4 games per year in basketball on a rotating basis, with two of those each year at an SBC venue. In a 3 year period, every SBC team must be played.

Those are my standards. No need for a home and home, but no just scheduling the top 4 teams in the league regularly and ignoring the rest of us either.

That's pretty much exactly what we did with the MAC. They tried to make sure we had 2 teams with respectable RPI's each year, and the other 2 were usually toward the bottom of the RPI.

(05-15-2014 12:22 PM)Colonels12 Wrote:  What you guys think of SEMO being the 12th team? According to someone on Flame Fans it will be either Liberty or Southeast Missouri State.

SEMO?

(05-15-2014 12:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  4 games per year in basketball on a rotating basis, with two of those each year at an SBC venue. In a 3 year period, every SBC team must be played.

In any event, the Sunbelt picks the schools, not UMass, but I'd still make it those Sunbelt schools who put their hand up.

And, yes, home and home doesn't have to be over two years ... if 10 schools want in, it could be over three-four years.

(05-15-2014 12:37 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 12:22 PM)Colonels12 Wrote:  What you guys think of SEMO being the 12th team? According to someone on Flame Fans it will be either Liberty or Southeast Missouri State.

SEMO?

Don't know nothing about SEMO, lessee ...
In Sagarin BBall, they are 218th, 2nd best in the OVC, itself 29th out of 32 Division 1 conferences.
In Sagarin FB, they are 200th, 8th place in the 9 team OVC, behind Eastern Illinois, Jax, Tennessee State, Tennessee-Martin, EKU, Murray State and Tennessee Tech.

For those who like to point to UMass's current low position in FBS football, in 2014 Sagarin ranked UMass seven spots ahead of SEMO.

Oh, wait, Wikipedia says that longer term, SEMO FB has had 3 winning seasons since they moved up to FCS (it was I-AA back then) in 1991. Whoever suggested, SEMO, man, they got a sense of humor.