(05-12-2014 07:38 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 04:50 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  Internships are almost necessary right now to have a good chance of getting jobs out of graduation.

I know this is absolutely true for the GIS field.

But you'll have a job, no doubt, b/c you're obviously so smart.

... I have one?

You're just like Okla. No intelligence, so you try to make up for it by using nothing but insults.

Purely anecdotal but let me mention two outliers.

About 25 years ago, a friend of mine's son went to college to study Art History. I always figured that at best he'd teach "finger painting" in a grade school. Was I wrong. He got a job with Sotheby's and now has a condo in Manhattan and a house in the Hamptons.

My daughters friend, who I thought wasn't the brightest bulb, got her degree in psych. She then went on and got a masters and now works 60 hours a week at $150 per hour listening to people tell about their problems. (You do the math.)

Maybe these are exceptions, but it shows that each individual has the opportunity to do very well.

(05-12-2014 11:14 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 10:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

Quote:It’s “Pomp and Circumstance” time for 1.6 million US college graduates.

While members of the class of 2014 have some cause to celebrate, they also know they are a few short months away from starting to pay down their share of the $1 trillion-plus student-loan debt.

The most shocking number of all is that only 17 percent of these soon-to-be grads have a job lined up, according to AfterCollege Inc., which crunches these numbers and also tries to help match employers with recent graduates. Despite our being a year further along on the road to economic recovery, this year’s 17 percent is actually down from the class of 2013’s 20 percent who had a job lined up before graduating.

http://nypost.com/2014/05/11/fewer-colle...this-year/

17%? That is pathetic. I graduated in 2001 and didn't have one lined up and was one of the only ones. I spent the summer in a depression and didn't want to see anyone from high school because I didn't want to answer the question "what are you up to?". I have noticed today's 20-somethings have no such shame in saying they are doing nothing. After the summer was over, I took a retail job and got out of the house immediately. Best decision I ever made (or rather was made for me).

I'd love to see the breakdown by college degree. I'm willing to bet Engineering and Business students with jobs lined up are way higher than 17%. I remember back when I graduated in 2010, virtually everyone in the Fin department either had something lined up or were interviewing frantically.

I'd also like it broken out by what institution type... They are going to lump kids at ITT or UOP for "computer science and technology" in with kids from Michigan State "Electrical Engineering"

I think overall they will be close because of all the stupid for profit degree mills out there...

(05-12-2014 05:13 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 04:50 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  Internships are almost necessary right now to have a good chance of getting jobs out of graduation.

I know this is absolutely true for the GIS field.

Been a good idea to go that route for a long while now anyway. Of course, folks complain about not getting paid internships these days.

This... Back in the 90's I interned with USACE and it spun into my first job out of school...

(05-13-2014 07:40 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Purely anecdotal but let me mention two outliers.

About 25 years ago, a friend of mine's son went to college to study Art History. I always figured that at best he'd teach "finger painting" in a grade school. Was I wrong. He got a job with Sotheby's and now has a condo in Manhattan and a house in the Hamptons.

My daughters friend, who I thought wasn't the brightest bulb, got her degree in psych. She then went on and got a masters and now works 60 hours a week at $150 per hour listening to people tell about their problems. (You do the math.)

Maybe these are exceptions, but it shows that each individual has the opportunity to do very well.

A degree gets one in the door. In the end, it's up to the individual to make it (success) happen, not the degree.

(05-12-2014 07:42 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 06:09 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Since McDonald's is going automated in Europe it's going to be hard to pick up
some of those temporary jobs a lot of people get while looking for permanent work,
if this spreads to the US.

Just got back from Williamsburg. Not sure why, but plenty of service jobs were being filled by foreign nationals on work visas. So, great location, tourist spot, good pay...and students aren't pouncing on them.

Im sorry I doubt the pay is that good.

Glass door has Busch Garden at 8-9$ per hour (unless your a performer)
Colonial Williamsburg is 9-12 an hour for non management..

Now I'm not saying they are bad jobs, if you cant find something else it is a paycheck, but I just don't want to sugar coat it.

(05-13-2014 08:04 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 07:42 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 06:09 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Since McDonald's is going automated in Europe it's going to be hard to pick up
some of those temporary jobs a lot of people get while looking for permanent work,
if this spreads to the US.

Just got back from Williamsburg. Not sure why, but plenty of service jobs were being filled by foreign nationals on work visas. So, great location, tourist spot, good pay...and students aren't pouncing on them.

Im sorry I doubt the pay is that good.

Glass door has Busch Garden at 8-9$ per hour (unless your a performer)
Colonial Williamsburg is 9-12 an hour for non management..

Now I'm not saying they are bad jobs, if you cant find something else it is a paycheck, but I just don't want to sugar coat it.

Probably the mindset of the students as well. Wait out for that $20/hour internship that never comes and then complian there are no jobs.

(05-13-2014 08:04 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 07:42 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 06:09 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Since McDonald's is going automated in Europe it's going to be hard to pick up
some of those temporary jobs a lot of people get while looking for permanent work,
if this spreads to the US.

Just got back from Williamsburg. Not sure why, but plenty of service jobs were being filled by foreign nationals on work visas. So, great location, tourist spot, good pay...and students aren't pouncing on them.

Im sorry I doubt the pay is that good.

Glass door has Busch Garden at 8-9$ per hour (unless your a performer)
Colonial Williamsburg is 9-12 an hour for non management..

Now I'm not saying they are bad jobs, if you cant find something else it is a paycheck, but I just don't want to sugar coat it.

Absolutely true. I was mainly pointing out the waiter/hotel positions in the area. I gotta think getting tips at a restaurant there is better than $10/hr.

The on-site jobs at Col Williamsburg are a little quirky. Many involve learning traditional skills, wh/ you do in part out of love of the activity.

(05-13-2014 08:01 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 05:13 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 04:50 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  Internships are almost necessary right now to have a good chance of getting jobs out of graduation.

I know this is absolutely true for the GIS field.

Been a good idea to go that route for a long while now anyway. Of course, folks complain about not getting paid internships these days.

This... Back in the 90's I interned with USACE and it spun into my first job out of school...

Yep, in college I started out doing an UNPAID internship with Merrill Lynch that led to a paid internship with GE that lead to my full time job after graduation with another company.

(05-12-2014 07:42 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 06:09 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Since McDonald's is going automated in Europe it's going to be hard to pick up
some of those temporary jobs a lot of people get while looking for permanent work,
if this spreads to the US.

Just got back from Williamsburg. Not sure why, but plenty of service jobs were being filled by foreign nationals on work visas. So, great location, tourist spot, good pay...and students aren't pouncing on them.

I worked at Busch Gardens in high school. Awesome job. Pay was low, but I was in high school. Had a lot of fun, expanded my network of friends, and went through several girlfriends over 2 summers. Unfortunately for our society, the reason all the jobs aren't filled by high school students is because they drug test and do it often.

(05-13-2014 08:04 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 07:42 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 06:09 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Since McDonald's is going automated in Europe it's going to be hard to pick up
some of those temporary jobs a lot of people get while looking for permanent work,
if this spreads to the US.

Just got back from Williamsburg. Not sure why, but plenty of service jobs were being filled by foreign nationals on work visas. So, great location, tourist spot, good pay...and students aren't pouncing on them.

Im sorry I doubt the pay is that good.

Glass door has Busch Garden at 8-9$ per hour (unless your a performer)
Colonial Williamsburg is 9-12 an hour for non management..

Now I'm not saying they are bad jobs, if you cant find something else it is a paycheck, but I just don't want to sugar coat it.

When I worked at Busch it was pretty much minimum wage. I don't remember if it was exactly minimum, but it was in that ball park. Great high school job. I hope my son works there as well.

(05-13-2014 08:06 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-13-2014 08:04 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 07:42 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 06:09 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Since McDonald's is going automated in Europe it's going to be hard to pick up
some of those temporary jobs a lot of people get while looking for permanent work,
if this spreads to the US.

Just got back from Williamsburg. Not sure why, but plenty of service jobs were being filled by foreign nationals on work visas. So, great location, tourist spot, good pay...and students aren't pouncing on them.

Im sorry I doubt the pay is that good.

Glass door has Busch Garden at 8-9$ per hour (unless your a performer)
Colonial Williamsburg is 9-12 an hour for non management..

Now I'm not saying they are bad jobs, if you cant find something else it is a paycheck, but I just don't want to sugar coat it.

Probably the mindset of the students as well. Wait out for that $20/hour internship that never comes and then complain there are no jobs.

I did not say they should wait for $20 an hour but lets let try to tell me 8/hr is good pay, its not much over minimum wage. Truth be known the non financial benefits of those jobs outweigh the pay for a student.

(05-13-2014 08:22 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-13-2014 08:06 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-13-2014 08:04 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 07:42 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(05-12-2014 06:09 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Since McDonald's is going automated in Europe it's going to be hard to pick up
some of those temporary jobs a lot of people get while looking for permanent work,
if this spreads to the US.

Just got back from Williamsburg. Not sure why, but plenty of service jobs were being filled by foreign nationals on work visas. So, great location, tourist spot, good pay...and students aren't pouncing on them.

Im sorry I doubt the pay is that good.

Glass door has Busch Garden at 8-9$ per hour (unless your a performer)
Colonial Williamsburg is 9-12 an hour for non management..

Now I'm not saying they are bad jobs, if you cant find something else it is a paycheck, but I just don't want to sugar coat it.

Probably the mindset of the students as well. Wait out for that $20/hour internship that never comes and then complain there are no jobs.

I did not say they should wait for $20 an hour but lets let try to tell me 8/hr is good pay, its not much over minimum wage. Truth be known the non financial benefits of those jobs outweigh the pay for a student.

I agree with you; however, college jobs/internships arent about the pay at all. They are about the connections/experience.

My first job out of school was in a restaurant kitchen. I didn't complain because I got to flirt with 20 year old waitresses.