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9 first round picks if you count ND and UofL.

(05-09-2014 07:39 AM)ACCslater Wrote:  9 first round picks if you count ND and UofL.

Even if you don't, the ACC is still 2nd to the SEC. If you do count the newbies, it's neck-and-neck.

Q: will U of L be able to continue at this level without Charlie Strong? TBD

(05-09-2014 07:39 AM)ACCslater Wrote:  9 first round picks if you count ND and UofL.

Then between the ACC and SEC, you can account for 20 of the 32 picks in the first round. The B1G had 4, the PAC had 3, and the Big 12 only 2.

Other than Louisville, no ACC team had more than one pick.

(05-09-2014 10:10 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Q: will U of L be able to continue at this level without Charlie Strong? TBD

Three 1st rounders is hard for any coaching staff to duplicate. With that said, Petrino does have a pretty good history of getting guys to the NFL

We did 3 in the NBA 1ST Round once and maybe twice. I don't have the access right now. I know Kenny Payne was the 3rd pick back in the 80's. Can remember if the Clark and Garcia draft had 3.

(05-09-2014 10:41 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 10:10 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Q: will U of L be able to continue at this level without Charlie Strong? TBD

Three 1st rounders is hard for any coaching staff to duplicate. With that said, Petrino does have a pretty good history of getting guys to the NFL

TRUE. Last year it was FSU with 3, while UNC had 2 and Clemson and Syracuse had 1 each.

The teams which have fallen off in the last 5 years are Miami and NC State. The Canes used to be good for an average of 2 per year, but haven't produced ANY first-rounders in the last 6 years.

(05-09-2014 10:41 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 10:10 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Q: will U of L be able to continue at this level without Charlie Strong? TBD

Three 1st rounders is hard for any coaching staff to duplicate. With that said, Petrino does have a pretty good history of getting guys to the NFL

He'd better get out on the recruiting trail in a hurry. The Cards didn't sign a single player in the 2014 ESPN300. Transitions are tough, even for good coaches.

(05-09-2014 07:39 AM)ACCslater Wrote:  9 first round picks if you count ND and UofL.

Spot on!

No, you DON'T count ND. UL you can count if you like.

(05-09-2014 01:20 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 10:41 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 10:10 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Q: will U of L be able to continue at this level without Charlie Strong? TBD

Three 1st rounders is hard for any coaching staff to duplicate. With that said, Petrino does have a pretty good history of getting guys to the NFL

He'd better get out on the recruiting trail in a hurry. The Cards didn't sign a single player in the 2014 ESPN300. Transitions are tough, even for good coaches.

Yeah, recruiting top guys isn't the easiest when you can tell guys you will be in the ACC but were coming out of the AAC, your coach leaves a month before signing day, and said coach that is departing then proceeds to try his best to raid the class of anyone he can convince to head south.

Charlie was all about class until he departed but thankfully I was fooled by coach speak one too many times long ago so it was expected behavior no matter what he said previously.

Recruiting rankings always fluctuate when you have to hire a New/Old coach....

After the recruits witness Coach Petrino's offensive ways again, the recruits will come easily. ....oh and We are in the ACC.

We did all our past stuff with a far lesser budget.
FLossY out...

I believe 14 of 32 picks were 247 Composite 4/5* recruits and 8 of 32 were from Florida. So that's just more confirmation that Florida is a hugely important recruiting territory - not that anyone was doubting that - and that stars and recruiting rankings do indeed matter - a lot.

(05-09-2014 03:25 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I believe 14 of 32 picks were 247 Composite 4/5* recruits and 8 of 32 were from Florida. So that's just more confirmation that Florida is a hugely important recruiting territory - not that anyone was doubting that - and that stars and recruiting rankings do indeed matter - a lot.

Here is the breakdown

5-stars -- 4 (Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina; Sammy Watkins, Clemson; Jake Matthews, Texas A&M and Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Alabama.)

4-stars – 12 (Greg Robinson, Auburn; Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh; Taylor Lewan, Michigan; Anthony Barr, UCLA; Ryan Shazier, Ohio State; Odell Beckham Jr., LSU; Ja’waun James, Tennessee; C.J. Mosley, Alabama; Marqise Lee, USC; Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville; Kyle Van Noy, Brigham Young; Morgan Moses, Virginia.)

3-stars – 10 (Michael Evans, Texas A&M; Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M; Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State; Zack Martin, Notre Dame; Kyle Fuller, Virginia Tech; Eric Ebron, North Carolina; Brandin Cooks, Oregon State; Bradley Roby, Ohio State; Calvin Pryor, Louisville; Cody Latimer, Indiana.)

2-stars – 6 (Khalil Mack, Buffalo; Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State; Blake Bortles, Central Florida; Joel Bitonio Nevada; Jason Verrett, TCU., Marcus Smith, Louisville)

Unranked – 1 (Stan Jean-Baptiste, Nebraska.)

You build your team with 4 stars and with 3 stars that fit your system, and you get the occasional 5 star guy when you can. However, having one or more 5's doesn't guarantee championships any more than not having them prevents championships. IMO, the main thing is not to be constantly relying on 2 star guys (or less) because that's like drawing to an inside straight... odds are against you.

(05-09-2014 04:12 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  You build your team with 4 stars and with 3 stars that fit your system, and you get the occasional 5 star guy when you can. However, having one or more 5's doesn't guarantee championships any more than not having them prevents championships. IMO, the main thing is not to be constantly relying on 2 star guys (or less) because that's like drawing to an inside straight... odds are against you.

Not true. Every BCS-er national title-winner since 2004-ish (when multiple recruiting sites came online) has had more 4/5* than 3* and lower.

Of course, the typical counter-argument is a "recruiting bias towards the elite programs". However, the fact that a substantially higher percentage number of 4/5* are drafted than 3* and lower disproves that.

(05-09-2014 04:29 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 04:12 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  You build your team with 4 stars and with 3 stars that fit your system, and you get the occasional 5 star guy when you can. However, having one or more 5's doesn't guarantee championships any more than not having them prevents championships. IMO, the main thing is not to be constantly relying on 2 star guys (or less) because that's like drawing to an inside straight... odds are against you.

Not true. Every BCS-er national title-winner since 2004-ish (when multiple recruiting sites came online) has had more 4/5* than 3* and lower.

Of course, the typical counter-argument is a "recruiting bias towards the elite programs". However, the fact that a substantially higher percentage number of 4/5* are drafted than 3* and lower disproves that.

Fact is, there are only a handful of five stars. It's the four star kids that are the backbone of most championship teams, bolstered by the occasional three star kid that turns out to be a late bloomer or solid role player. Great talent makes great coaches, not the other way around.

Great coaches recruit great talent.

(05-09-2014 06:09 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Great coaches recruit great talent.

Mark Stoops?

What is your question?