This teen clearly shows that the current educational model is untenable. No, not because she is clearly quite exceptional, but because her success demonstrates that their are a multitude of paths to success. Quite simply, the public school model, for various political and socioeconomic reasons, cannot accommodate the various avenues that are available.

Link

(05-09-2014 07:21 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  This teen clearly shows that the current educational model is untenable. No, not because she is clearly quite exceptional, but because her success demonstrates that their are a multitude of paths to success. Quite simply, the public school model, for various political and socioeconomic reasons, cannot accommodate the various avenues that are available.

Link

YEP!

....learned that when I moved to missippy from StL....was disgusting to witness the Little House on the Prarie 'rate' from 'maw and paw' kettle

I've taken business into my own hands for quite some time now.....

unfortunately, genocide is not an option.....oh, well.....

either figure out how to win holding 2-7 or just become a biatch....it's their only two options as the end result...

good for her and her PARENTS to recognize this.....

Grace Bush is truly exceptional. Too bad she is aspiring to be a lawyer.

(05-09-2014 07:48 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Grace Bush is truly exceptional. Too bad she is aspiring to be a lawyer.

why????

the only thing that matters is money.....

sounds pretty smart to me in today's world......

my BIL is an ENT and doesn't want his daughter to go into his profession now.....

adapt and survive to the best of ability makes perfect sense.....

(05-09-2014 07:21 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  This teen clearly shows that the current educational model is untenable. No, not because she is clearly quite exceptional, but because her success demonstrates that their are a multitude of paths to success. Quite simply, the public school model, for various political and socioeconomic reasons, cannot accommodate the various avenues that are available.

Link

So you are going to take one kid who is clearly a genius and use that to prove the misgiving of an entire institution?


Wow. Talk about a stretch.

(05-09-2014 01:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 07:21 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  This teen clearly shows that the current educational model is untenable. No, not because she is clearly quite exceptional, but because her success demonstrates that their are a multitude of paths to success. Quite simply, the public school model, for various political and socioeconomic reasons, cannot accommodate the various avenues that are available.

Link

So you are going to take one kid who is clearly a genius and use that to prove the misgiving of an entire institution?


Wow. Talk about a stretch.

As she and her parents stated, she's not a 'genius'. Her appropriate quote is, "It's not hard, just hard work". Also, she is one of 9 children. Her 2 older sisters, 17 and 19, are all starting Masters course work in the fall. Three geniuses in one home-schooled household?

Also, related to the 'check your privilege' BS: Grace's Mother instilled in her kids what was taught to her by her parents (Mother - Janitor with 7th grade education & Father - Roofer with 5th grade education).

(05-09-2014 01:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 07:21 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  This teen clearly shows that the current educational model is untenable. No, not because she is clearly quite exceptional, but because her success demonstrates that their are a multitude of paths to success. Quite simply, the public school model, for various political and socioeconomic reasons, cannot accommodate the various avenues that are available.

Link

So you are going to take one kid who is clearly a genius and use that to prove the misgiving of an entire institution?


Wow. Talk about a stretch.

Nope, just advocating giving parents the freedom to chart a course for their kids w/o government oversight and hang-wringing over 'lack of socialization.' I'd would be just as thrilled if this girl got her welders, auto mechanic or plumbing certification at 16. I'm just pointing out that there are multiple paths to success that public education, through no fault of its own, can't accommodate.

Do you really think the local public school would have afforded this student the latitude to pursue this line of study? Or would they have discouraged her because of the hit her self-esteem might take if she failed?

(05-09-2014 02:26 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 01:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 07:21 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  This teen clearly shows that the current educational model is untenable. No, not because she is clearly quite exceptional, but because her success demonstrates that their are a multitude of paths to success. Quite simply, the public school model, for various political and socioeconomic reasons, cannot accommodate the various avenues that are available.

Link

So you are going to take one kid who is clearly a genius and use that to prove the misgiving of an entire institution?


Wow. Talk about a stretch.

Nope, just advocating giving parents the freedom to chart a course for their kids w/o government oversight and hang-wringing over 'lack of socialization.' I'd would be just as thrilled if this girl got her welders, auto mechanic or plumbing certification at 16. I'm just pointing out that there are multiple paths to success that public education, through no fault of its own, can't accommodate.

Do you really think the local public school would have afforded this student the latitude to pursue this line of study? Or would they have discouraged her because of the hit her self-esteem might take if she failed?

It totally depends on the system. My county has allowed and helped with plans for kids, who weren't challenged enough, to pursue augmented homeschooling.

(05-09-2014 02:40 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 02:26 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 01:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 07:21 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  This teen clearly shows that the current educational model is untenable. No, not because she is clearly quite exceptional, but because her success demonstrates that their are a multitude of paths to success. Quite simply, the public school model, for various political and socioeconomic reasons, cannot accommodate the various avenues that are available.

Link

So you are going to take one kid who is clearly a genius and use that to prove the misgiving of an entire institution?


Wow. Talk about a stretch.

Nope, just advocating giving parents the freedom to chart a course for their kids w/o government oversight and hang-wringing over 'lack of socialization.' I'd would be just as thrilled if this girl got her welders, auto mechanic or plumbing certification at 16. I'm just pointing out that there are multiple paths to success that public education, through no fault of its own, can't accommodate.

Do you really think the local public school would have afforded this student the latitude to pursue this line of study? Or would they have discouraged her because of the hit her self-esteem might take if she failed?

It totally depends on the system. My county has allowed and helped with plans for kids, who weren't challenged enough, to pursue augmented homeschooling.

You're correct nomad, I'll walk that back as I just personalized the experience I had with Atlanta Public Schools. They told me I couldn't take Algebra and Geometry at the same time in 8th grade.

(05-09-2014 03:00 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 02:40 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 02:26 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 01:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 07:21 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  This teen clearly shows that the current educational model is untenable. No, not because she is clearly quite exceptional, but because her success demonstrates that their are a multitude of paths to success. Quite simply, the public school model, for various political and socioeconomic reasons, cannot accommodate the various avenues that are available.

Link

So you are going to take one kid who is clearly a genius and use that to prove the misgiving of an entire institution?


Wow. Talk about a stretch.

Nope, just advocating giving parents the freedom to chart a course for their kids w/o government oversight and hang-wringing over 'lack of socialization.' I'd would be just as thrilled if this girl got her welders, auto mechanic or plumbing certification at 16. I'm just pointing out that there are multiple paths to success that public education, through no fault of its own, can't accommodate.

Do you really think the local public school would have afforded this student the latitude to pursue this line of study? Or would they have discouraged her because of the hit her self-esteem might take if she failed?

It totally depends on the system. My county has allowed and helped with plans for kids, who weren't challenged enough, to pursue augmented homeschooling.

You're correct nomad, I'll walk that back as I just personalized the experience I had with Atlanta Public Schools. They told me I couldn't take Algebra and Geometry at the same time in 8th grade.

Damn, now that's a challenge. I remember taking Algebra and not understanding it until Algebra II.

(05-09-2014 02:26 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 01:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 07:21 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  This teen clearly shows that the current educational model is untenable. No, not because she is clearly quite exceptional, but because her success demonstrates that their are a multitude of paths to success. Quite simply, the public school model, for various political and socioeconomic reasons, cannot accommodate the various avenues that are available.

Link

So you are going to take one kid who is clearly a genius and use that to prove the misgiving of an entire institution?


Wow. Talk about a stretch.

Nope, just advocating giving parents the freedom to chart a course for their kids w/o government oversight and hang-wringing over 'lack of socialization.' I'd would be just as thrilled if this girl got her welders, auto mechanic or plumbing certification at 16. I'm just pointing out that there are multiple paths to success that public education, through no fault of its own, can't accommodate.

Do you really think the local public school would have afforded this student the latitude to pursue this line of study? Or would they have discouraged her because of the hit her self-esteem might take if she failed?

Let's face it, less than one percent of teenagers are ambitious enough to finish college and high school at the same time. Claiming that public school is robbing children of the ability to be exceptional is rather short sighted.

This girl would have done great things regardless of the setting.

(05-09-2014 02:18 PM)ummechengr Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 01:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 07:21 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  This teen clearly shows that the current educational model is untenable. No, not because she is clearly quite exceptional, but because her success demonstrates that their are a multitude of paths to success. Quite simply, the public school model, for various political and socioeconomic reasons, cannot accommodate the various avenues that are available.

Link

So you are going to take one kid who is clearly a genius and use that to prove the misgiving of an entire institution?


Wow. Talk about a stretch.

As she and her parents stated, she's not a 'genius'. Her appropriate quote is, "It's not hard, just hard work". Also, she is one of 9 children. Her 2 older sisters, 17 and 19, are all starting Masters course work in the fall. Three geniuses in one home-schooled household?

Also, related to the 'check your privilege' BS: Grace's Mother instilled in her kids what was taught to her by her parents (Mother - Janitor with 7th grade education & Father - Roofer with 5th grade education).

So this kid supposedly learned what it takes most people at least 8 years to learn in one week and we are supposed to believe that any kid can do this if they were just allowed to be home schooled?

(05-09-2014 04:45 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 02:18 PM)ummechengr Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 01:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 07:21 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  This teen clearly shows that the current educational model is untenable. No, not because she is clearly quite exceptional, but because her success demonstrates that their are a multitude of paths to success. Quite simply, the public school model, for various political and socioeconomic reasons, cannot accommodate the various avenues that are available.

Link

So you are going to take one kid who is clearly a genius and use that to prove the misgiving of an entire institution?


Wow. Talk about a stretch.

As she and her parents stated, she's not a 'genius'. Her appropriate quote is, "It's not hard, just hard work". Also, she is one of 9 children. Her 2 older sisters, 17 and 19, are all starting Masters course work in the fall. Three geniuses in one home-schooled household?

Also, related to the 'check your privilege' BS: Grace's Mother instilled in her kids what was taught to her by her parents (Mother - Janitor with 7th grade education & Father - Roofer with 5th grade education).

So this kid supposedly learned what it takes most people at least 8 years to learn in one week and we are supposed to believe that any kid can do this if they were just allowed to be home schooled?

You think she learned it in a week? CLICK HERE PLEASE

(05-09-2014 04:45 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 02:18 PM)ummechengr Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 01:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 07:21 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  This teen clearly shows that the current educational model is untenable. No, not because she is clearly quite exceptional, but because her success demonstrates that their are a multitude of paths to success. Quite simply, the public school model, for various political and socioeconomic reasons, cannot accommodate the various avenues that are available.

Link

So you are going to take one kid who is clearly a genius and use that to prove the misgiving of an entire institution?


Wow. Talk about a stretch.

As she and her parents stated, she's not a 'genius'. Her appropriate quote is, "It's not hard, just hard work". Also, she is one of 9 children. Her 2 older sisters, 17 and 19, are all starting Masters course work in the fall. Three geniuses in one home-schooled household?

Also, related to the 'check your privilege' BS: Grace's Mother instilled in her kids what was taught to her by her parents (Mother - Janitor with 7th grade education & Father - Roofer with 5th grade education).

So this kid supposedly learned what it takes most people at least 8 years to learn in one week and we are supposed to believe that any kid can do this if they were just allowed to be home schooled?

Fit, face it, Public schools are not geared to teach the best or the worst learners, they're suited to teach the middle and if a kid doesn't fit in the middle then it's too bad.

(05-09-2014 06:21 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 04:45 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 02:18 PM)ummechengr Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 01:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 07:21 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  This teen clearly shows that the current educational model is untenable. No, not because she is clearly quite exceptional, but because her success demonstrates that their are a multitude of paths to success. Quite simply, the public school model, for various political and socioeconomic reasons, cannot accommodate the various avenues that are available.

Link

So you are going to take one kid who is clearly a genius and use that to prove the misgiving of an entire institution?


Wow. Talk about a stretch.

As she and her parents stated, she's not a 'genius'. Her appropriate quote is, "It's not hard, just hard work". Also, she is one of 9 children. Her 2 older sisters, 17 and 19, are all starting Masters course work in the fall. Three geniuses in one home-schooled household?

Also, related to the 'check your privilege' BS: Grace's Mother instilled in her kids what was taught to her by her parents (Mother - Janitor with 7th grade education & Father - Roofer with 5th grade education).

So this kid supposedly learned what it takes most people at least 8 years to learn in one week and we are supposed to believe that any kid can do this if they were just allowed to be home schooled?

Fit, face it, Public schools are not geared to teach the best or the worst learners, they're suited to teach the middle and if a kid doesn't fit in the middle then it's too bad.

The opposite from my experience. They have great programs here for the top students and the average student is stuck with crap.

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(05-09-2014 07:54 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 06:21 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 04:45 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 02:18 PM)ummechengr Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 01:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  So you are going to take one kid who is clearly a genius and use that to prove the misgiving of an entire institution?


Wow. Talk about a stretch.

As she and her parents stated, she's not a 'genius'. Her appropriate quote is, "It's not hard, just hard work". Also, she is one of 9 children. Her 2 older sisters, 17 and 19, are all starting Masters course work in the fall. Three geniuses in one home-schooled household?

Also, related to the 'check your privilege' BS: Grace's Mother instilled in her kids what was taught to her by her parents (Mother - Janitor with 7th grade education & Father - Roofer with 5th grade education).

So this kid supposedly learned what it takes most people at least 8 years to learn in one week and we are supposed to believe that any kid can do this if they were just allowed to be home schooled?

Fit, face it, Public schools are not geared to teach the best or the worst learners, they're suited to teach the middle and if a kid doesn't fit in the middle then it's too bad.

The opposite from my experience. They have great programs here for the top students and the average student is stuck with crap.

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That's close to me as well. Straight A kids got the best of it and struggling kids got attention. If you were carrying a B/C avg. you were on your own.

In Canada it was different because the top kids were whisked away to a preparatory CEGEP after grade 11, while others are sent to a technical one. There's a separation.

Company rescinds Ohio man's job offer after learning he was home schooled

Quote:Home school advocates are outraged by an energy company's decision to rescind an Ohio man's job offer after learning he had been home schooled.

Michael Donnelly, an attorney for Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA), told FoxNews.com that the young man was offered a competitive job by the NiSource energy company.

The man, whose name has not been made public, had a home-schooled high school diploma and three years of relevant experience when he applied for the job, according to his attorney, who also noted he had completed seven college-level courses.

Donnelly claimed the energy company offered him the job and then changed its decision upon hearing he did not have an official high school diploma, which the company requires.

Grace was on Fox and Friends this morning and seemed like a delightful girl but not a genius. Probably very bright though as she skipped a grade in grade school and one in high school. (My son skipped two grades but does not have a genius IQ so I can speak to this with some anecdotal knowledge on the subject.)

Her college degree is in criminal justice from FAU. She was able to get her degree for free by taking the classes while in high school. A bachelor's in CJ is the kind of degree you can get with hard work but does not require genius. (i.e. Her degree isn't in physics or biomedical engineering from an Ivy.)

She wants to go on to law school. Kudos to her. I'd love to see more hard working kids like her. She'll do well in life.

(05-09-2014 09:01 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 07:54 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 06:21 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 04:45 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 02:18 PM)ummechengr Wrote:  As she and her parents stated, she's not a 'genius'. Her appropriate quote is, "It's not hard, just hard work". Also, she is one of 9 children. Her 2 older sisters, 17 and 19, are all starting Masters course work in the fall. Three geniuses in one home-schooled household?

Also, related to the 'check your privilege' BS: Grace's Mother instilled in her kids what was taught to her by her parents (Mother - Janitor with 7th grade education & Father - Roofer with 5th grade education).

So this kid supposedly learned what it takes most people at least 8 years to learn in one week and we are supposed to believe that any kid can do this if they were just allowed to be home schooled?

Fit, face it, Public schools are not geared to teach the best or the worst learners, they're suited to teach the middle and if a kid doesn't fit in the middle then it's too bad.

The opposite from my experience. They have great programs here for the top students and the average student is stuck with crap.

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That's close to me as well. Straight A kids got the best of it and struggling kids got attention. If you were carrying a B/C avg. you were on your own.

In Canada it was different because the top kids were whisked away to a preparatory CEGEP after grade 11, while others are sent to a technical one. There's a separation.

A side effect of my kid's neurological problem is that he has an IQ (127) which puts him in the top 3 percentile. His grades absolutely suck because everything is dumbed down so that it appeals to the majority of students in his class. When he was in California they had recognized this and placed him in the GATE program which is more advanced and he did well.

(05-10-2014 09:42 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 09:01 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 07:54 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 06:21 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(05-09-2014 04:45 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  So this kid supposedly learned what it takes most people at least 8 years to learn in one week and we are supposed to believe that any kid can do this if they were just allowed to be home schooled?

Fit, face it, Public schools are not geared to teach the best or the worst learners, they're suited to teach the middle and if a kid doesn't fit in the middle then it's too bad.

The opposite from my experience. They have great programs here for the top students and the average student is stuck with crap.

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk

That's close to me as well. Straight A kids got the best of it and struggling kids got attention. If you were carrying a B/C avg. you were on your own.

In Canada it was different because the top kids were whisked away to a preparatory CEGEP after grade 11, while others are sent to a technical one. There's a separation.

A side effect of my kid's neurological problem is that he has an IQ (127) which puts him in the top 3 percentile. His grades absolutely suck because everything is dumbed down so that it appeals to the majority of students in his class. When he was in California they had recognized this and placed him in the GATE program which is more advanced and he did well.

Parents have to become advocates for their kids whether gifted, average or learning challenged. If your school district isn't getting it done for your kid's ability level, push them to do better or pull your kid out and go somewhere that will.