(05-03-2014 10:13 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 10:11 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  What happens to the July 1st date when a school can change Conferences like Louisville, Rutgers, Tulane, Tulsa are getting ready to do as an example ?Will it become revolving or changes made to move sports as each season ends like football, then Basketball ECT. and allow those conference affiliations become official at end of each sport. Currently You can't move until all sports events are done thus July 1.

this is a very solid point. from a legal status it messes with the conference "season"

The furthest I can see this stretched would be to complete the conference championships at the end of June and then play the CWS in July. It might only be a couple of weeks shift of the season, but it would be a critical couple of weeks for Kent State and other northern schools.

Having the NCAA championship played after the official transition date isn't such a critical issue, as long as the conference sponsored competition is completed by the end of June.

I would guess most if not all of the p5 school's have an academic summer session. Summer baseball makes a lot of sense so does starting the basketball season later, May Madness. Yet, i doubt either ever happen.

(05-03-2014 10:57 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 10:50 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 09:07 AM)bullet Wrote:  Maine and Wichita St. and Nebraska can make the college world series.

B10 just hasn't put the money into it.

The SEC isn't going to support summer baseball when half their students are out of school. Baseball is close to being a revenue sport in some of the southern schools.

SUNY Stony Brook made the College World Series recently. If Stony Brook can do it, then frickin Ohio State should be ashamed to whine about the weather.

Oregon State has won two national titles in the past ten years. The best baseball teams in the Pac 12 this year are not ASU and UCLA, they are Oregon State, Oregon, and Washington.

to be fair a costal school & midwest school have vastly different weather patterns when it comes to precipitation/temperature. even though stony brook did it, are the an anomaly that managed to punch through? or can schools in the north truly be at the same advantage as the southern schools if they just put the money into it?

personally I say there is no way, playing in a gym for spring practice is not the proper way to build a competitive team.

Why are we talking about Stony Brook? That same year Kent State went to the CWS and they play in the same state as OSU. The best baseball team in Ohio is likely coming from the MAC.

(05-03-2014 10:11 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  What happens to the July 1st date when a school can change Conferences like Louisville, Rutgers, Tulane, Tulsa are getting ready to do as an example ?Will it become revolving or changes made to move sports as each season ends like football, then Basketball ECT. and allow those conference affiliations become official at end of each sport. Currently You can't move until all sports events are done thus July 1.

Baseball could move the following year.

(05-03-2014 03:52 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  Why are we talking about Stony Brook? That same year Kent State went to the CWS and they play in the same state as OSU. The best baseball team in Ohio is likely coming from the MAC.

I think with this sort of situation, we're looking at a partial breakaway. The value of the non-P5 schools to the P5 in baseball is
1. Record-padding against inferior opposition
2. The "College World Series" trademark.

If the SEC and Big Ten get on the same page, with a framework that makes college baseball a minor net revenue producer, both of those are expendable.

Second thought, if the SEC and Big Ten move their baseball to the summer (May 1 season openers, August postseason), you'd see other leagues follow, either for weather reasons or because they'd rather try to stick with the B1G and SEC. So you'd still be able to have South Carolina whoop up on Samford or whoever.

Question--would the Floridas and Arizonas and LSUs want to have their season in June and July, when it tends to be ungodly hot down there?

If they just moved the start of the season back from mid February to mid March and thus end in late July rather than late June it would be huge for everyone involved. Northern schools would produce better squads and thus better crowds all of which is good for the sport as a whole. Southern schools would produce better crowds earlier in the season which is obviously more revenue for them. Take Rutgers, every year on Spring Break (mid-March) we're usually on a Florida road trip that week playing Florida schools or even other non-Florida schools in Florida baseball facilities. Many northern schools do this. So instead of having to play basically the whole first month of the season on the road like we do now, we could get it down to just a week or two and have more evenly distributed home games throughout the season starting in late March.

(05-03-2014 04:21 PM)brista21 Wrote:  So instead of having to play basically the whole first month of the season on the road like we do now, we could get it down to just a week or two and have more evenly distributed home games throughout the season starting in late March.

The conference network is your lord and master, and the conference network needs summer content.

(05-03-2014 04:21 PM)brista21 Wrote:  If they just moved the start of the season back from mid February to mid March and thus end in late July rather than late June it would be huge for everyone involved. Northern schools would produce better squads and thus better crowds all of which is good for the sport as a whole. Southern schools would produce better crowds earlier in the season which is obviously more revenue for them. Take Rutgers, every year on Spring Break (mid-March) we're usually on a Florida road trip that week playing Florida schools or even other non-Florida schools in Florida baseball facilities. Many northern schools do this. So instead of having to play basically the whole first month of the season on the road like we do now, we could get it down to just a week or two and have more evenly distributed home games throughout the season starting in late March.

The only reason I went with April is because how good would/could interest be during the peak of March Madness? This year's game between Kentucky v UConn was played on Monday April the 7th. Season could have started that Friday the 11th of April have 14 weeks. 4 weeks for Conf champ tournaments and NCAAs... season is over August 15th. Just in time to get excited about Football season.

(05-03-2014 04:59 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 04:21 PM)brista21 Wrote:  If they just moved the start of the season back from mid February to mid March and thus end in late July rather than late June it would be huge for everyone involved. Northern schools would produce better squads and thus better crowds all of which is good for the sport as a whole. Southern schools would produce better crowds earlier in the season which is obviously more revenue for them. Take Rutgers, every year on Spring Break (mid-March) we're usually on a Florida road trip that week playing Florida schools or even other non-Florida schools in Florida baseball facilities. Many northern schools do this. So instead of having to play basically the whole first month of the season on the road like we do now, we could get it down to just a week or two and have more evenly distributed home games throughout the season starting in late March.

The only reason I went with April is because how good would/could interest be during the peak of March Madness? This year's game between Kentucky v UConn was played on Monday April the 7th. Season could have started that Friday the 11th of April have 14 weeks. 4 weeks for Conf champ tournaments and NCAAs... season is over August 15th. Just in time to get excited about Football season.

They are actually talking about starting basketball later.
Basketball doesn't get much attention in November and December.
Isn't May an important month for ratings?

(05-03-2014 05:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 04:59 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 04:21 PM)brista21 Wrote:  If they just moved the start of the season back from mid February to mid March and thus end in late July rather than late June it would be huge for everyone involved. Northern schools would produce better squads and thus better crowds all of which is good for the sport as a whole. Southern schools would produce better crowds earlier in the season which is obviously more revenue for them. Take Rutgers, every year on Spring Break (mid-March) we're usually on a Florida road trip that week playing Florida schools or even other non-Florida schools in Florida baseball facilities. Many northern schools do this. So instead of having to play basically the whole first month of the season on the road like we do now, we could get it down to just a week or two and have more evenly distributed home games throughout the season starting in late March.

The only reason I went with April is because how good would/could interest be during the peak of March Madness? This year's game between Kentucky v UConn was played on Monday April the 7th. Season could have started that Friday the 11th of April have 14 weeks. 4 weeks for Conf champ tournaments and NCAAs... season is over August 15th. Just in time to get excited about Football season.

They are actually talking about starting basketball later.
Basketball doesn't get much attention in November and December.
Isn't May an important month for ratings?

If they move the bball season back that would ruin my plan but id still say start the season in April and finish it in August. Still need summer content.

How are you going to deal with mid-playoff defections by players signing with the MLB team that drafted them?

Are the players going to be willing to forgo the summer wooden bat leagues that do far more to prepare them for a possible professional baseball career?

Will the revenue generated offset the cost of scholarships for summer session, and for the extra staffing needed to accommodate the extra students on campus during the summer?

(05-03-2014 06:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  How are you going to deal with mid-playoff defections by players signing with the MLB team that drafted them?

Are the players going to be willing to forgo the summer wooden bat leagues that do far more to prepare them for a possible professional baseball career?

Will the revenue generated offset the cost of scholarships for summer session, and for the extra staffing needed to accommodate the extra students on campus during the summer?

Good point, that's why in the OP I made mention that the MLB has a vested interest in the growth of the college game too. Something would need to be worked out though, not sure how that would work and the timing of it. It's the only draft that not only falls in the middle of the season but also requires players to show up in the middle of the season. I believe that when there's a will there's a way though. The last CBA they made concessions so college teams would have more time to fill up rosters after draft defections. They could work something out.

I think the last thing football-playing schools want to do is push back basketball to start any later. Spring football falling during the NCAA Tournament may not bode well. This also requires juggling many of the other "winter" championships that are held in middle and late April. The NBA will also not be happy with the NCAA Tournament overlapping the NBA playoffs.

(05-03-2014 05:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  They are actually talking about starting basketball later.
Basketball doesn't get much attention in November and December.
Isn't May an important month for ratings?

Bullet,

Do you have a link or an article or something about moving the hoops season back? It makes sense but I haven't heard anything about that.

(05-03-2014 04:21 PM)brista21 Wrote:  If they just moved the start of the season back from mid February to mid March and thus end in late July rather than late June it would be huge for everyone involved. Northern schools would produce better squads and thus better crowds all of which is good for the sport as a whole.

The question is whether college baseball swings enough stick to get the conference membership date and start of the official athletic season pushed back from July 1 to August 1.

All of the reasons for moving the start of the season back a month apply in half measure to moving the start of the season back half a month, and since it would only push the NCAA Championship itself into the next athletic year, it would not require as big an exception to be made for the needs of college baseball.

That is, its better for the northern teams (not as much better, but still better), its better for the BTN & SECN in providing an extra two weeks of live content, shifting two weeks of games from a time of year that there is substantially more content available (not as much better, but still better), and etc. And it would wrap up all conference competition before the conference membership date for the coming athletic year.

If MLB had a vested interest in college baseball two things would have happened a long time ago.


#1 the MLB draft would happen after the College World Series

and

#2 MLB would have adopted the college football 3 year from high school draft rule

(05-03-2014 08:49 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I think the last thing football-playing schools want to do is push back basketball to start any later. Spring football falling during the NCAA Tournament may not bode well. This also requires juggling many of the other "winter" championships that are held in middle and late April. The NBA will also not be happy with the NCAA Tournament overlapping the NBA playoffs.

Move "Spring" football to late July / early August. Allow teams to play each other thus making it an exhibition game. Better yet, make this your FCS in-state game for most teams, charge admission, pay the visiting FCS team (attendance would likely be much better under these circumstances, and it wouldn't be a problem to pay out what FCS teams normally earn).
PROBLEM SOLVED (thanks to Dabo Swinney for suggesting something like this, though I don't remember him suggesting the pre-season).

(05-03-2014 09:20 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 05:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  They are actually talking about starting basketball later.
Basketball doesn't get much attention in November and December.
Isn't May an important month for ratings?

Bullet,

Do you have a link or an article or something about moving the hoops season back? It makes sense but I haven't heard anything about that.

I read it somewhere about 2-3 weeks ago, but don't remember where.
And it could be serious or it could be just one of those brain-storming ideas. There are really two issues-1) presidents don't like seasons overlapping semesters; and 2) no one pays attention and attendance is generally lousy in November and especially in December when in some cases, the students are out of school.

(05-03-2014 11:44 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If MLB had a vested interest in college baseball two things would have happened a long time ago.


#1 the MLB draft would happen after the College World Series

and

#2 MLB would have adopted the college football 3 year from high school draft rule

(1) The MLB draft is where it is because historically they wanted to get HS players shortly after graduation and start them in the minors. That won't change.

Also, the NCAA baseball regular season and tournament have expanded gradually. The CWS now ends 2 or 3 weeks later than it did 30 years ago. So now the MLB draft takes place between the first and second weekends of the NCAA tournament.

There are other reasons why the MLB won't wait until after the CWS (which ends on June 24 or 25 this year), including that it would cut 2-3 weeks out of the window to negotiate with drafted players -- the MLB team loses its rights to a drafted player if the player is not signed by 11:59 pm ET on August 15.

(2) The MLB draft eligibility rules are better than the NFL rules.

Quote:The basic categories of players eligible to be drafted are:

High school players, if they have graduated from high school and have not yet attended college or junior college;
College players, from four-year colleges who have either completed their junior or senior years or are at least 21 years old; and
Junior college players, regardless of how many years of school they have completed

(05-04-2014 08:41 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 09:20 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 05:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  They are actually talking about starting basketball later.
Basketball doesn't get much attention in November and December.
Isn't May an important month for ratings?

Bullet,

Do you have a link or an article or something about moving the hoops season back? It makes sense but I haven't heard anything about that.

I read it somewhere about 2-3 weeks ago, but don't remember where.
And it could be serious or it could be just one of those brain-storming ideas. There are really two issues-1) presidents don't like seasons overlapping semesters; and 2) no one pays attention and attendance is generally lousy in November and especially in December when in some cases, the students are out of school.

They can't move the NCAA basketball tournament later in the year unless they move it 4 weeks or so. CBS and Turner are paying over $770 million/year for the tournament, and CBS won't allow the hoops tournament to overlap with the Masters golf tournament. To move the whole tournament after the Masters, you'd have to have Selection Sunday, at the earliest, on the same day as the final round of the Masters, which was April 13 this year. Selection Sunday on April 13 means a Final Four that would end tomorrow (May 5).