Some schools in the CAA ....

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/55-s...obe-n94996

Thankfully, we are NOT one of them.

I would have thought William and Mary would be last on the list for CAA.


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(05-01-2014 10:18 PM)HolyCityDuke Wrote:  I would have thought William and Mary would be last on the list for CAA.


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Lots of Nerd, pent up sexual frustration down there. Too much time in the library and not enough at the parties.

I think the issue is not so much the frequency of sexual assault on these campuses, but rather the manner in which the school administrations handle the reports and the presumed victims. It is a title IX issue, and IMO if the school asministrations are dealing with self-reported victims in a manner that exacerbates their troubles, and could lead to more victims at the hands of the same attackers, then that needs to be changed.

(05-02-2014 06:01 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(05-01-2014 10:18 PM)HolyCityDuke Wrote:  I would have thought William and Mary would be last on the list for CAA.


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Lots of Nerd, pent up sexual frustration down there. Too much time in the library and not enough at the parties.

This reply is funny. Happy Friday, BSKB!

One thing that should be noted is that they are using the term "sexual assault" and not "rape"...sexual assault in some instances is defined as simply an unwanted sexual advance.

I'm all for making fun of some nerds, but from what I read in the article, this is totally ridiculous.

(05-02-2014 09:01 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  One thing that should be noted is that they are using the term "sexual assault" and not "rape"...sexual assault in some instances is defined as simply an unwanted sexual advance.

I'm all for making fun of some nerds, but from what I read in the article, this is totally ridiculous.

You clearly don't know what you are talking about. "Sexual Assault" is not defined as "unwanted sexual advances." The things they are investigating constitute criminal acts. In the Commonwealth that includes everything from misdemeanor sexual battery and indecent exposure to Rape and forcible sodomy.

Having sat in a room with more sexual assault survivors than I can count and questioning a 5 year old on the stand only two weeks ago about her first sexual experiences, I don't appreciate your flippant response. This is a serious issue that far too many men don't take seriously.

(05-02-2014 11:00 AM)JMUDuke2002 Wrote:  

(05-02-2014 09:01 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  One thing that should be noted is that they are using the term "sexual assault" and not "rape"...sexual assault in some instances is defined as simply an unwanted sexual advance.

I'm all for making fun of some nerds, but from what I read in the article, this is totally ridiculous.

You clearly don't know what you are talking about. "Sexual Assault" is not defined as "unwanted sexual advances." The things they are investigating constitute criminal acts. In the Commonwealth that includes everything from misdemeanor sexual battery and indecent exposure to Rape and forcible sodomy.

Having sat in a room with more sexual assault survivors than I can count and questioning a 5 year old on the stand only two weeks ago about her first sexual experiences, I don't appreciate your flippant response. This is a serious issue that far too many men don't take seriously.

See bolded. You used a 5 year old as an example, yet we're talking about college aged adults here where a lot of these incidences involve copious amounts of alcohol. I'm not dismissing the severity of rape, but when madness like 1/4 females will be raped in their lifetime is constantly perpetuated to people, these things get out of hand.

I had a longer post prepared but this isn't the place for that discussion and I doubt we would see eye to eye on this particular issue even after an hours worth of debate. I'm going to refrain from further discussion about this on here due to it's sensitive nature. Good luck to you in working with victims like described above, it's not something I would be able to do.

I don't get why the school has anything to do with this. If there is an accusation, shouldn't it go directly to the police? I don't think schools are equipped to handle these types of issues. If the accuser goes to the school and makes a claim, the school should redirect them to the authorities or inform them on that person's behalf. If that wasn't done in these cases, then I can see some wrongdoing there. Even still, that doesn't prevent the alleged victim from going to the police if the school turns a blind eye.

(05-02-2014 03:04 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  I don't get why the school has anything to do with this. If there is an accusation, shouldn't it go directly to the police? I don't think schools are equipped to handle these types of issues. If the accuser goes to the school and makes a claim, the school should redirect them to the authorities or inform them on that person's behalf. If that wasn't done in these cases, then I can see some wrongdoing there. Even still, that doesn't prevent the alleged victim from going to the police if the school turns a blind eye.

It's a two-pronged approach. It should, and often does, go to the police. But Title IX requires schools to conduct their own investigations. The U.S. Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights (OCR) has issued clear guidance on the point because the criminal "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard is often a difficult bar to clear and should not be used as the only basis for whether a school chooses to discipline a student or take some remedial action. OCR has stated clearly that schools should use a "preponderance of the evidence" standard in their own investigation and subsequent disciplinary procedures, though schools' compliance is entirely voluntary.

Obviously, reasonable minds can disagree on whether this approach is misguided, and in some cases whether it's constitutional (at least on the state level when state schools are involved), but this is a really challenging issue nationwide at all levels of education and this msg board may not be the best forum to discuss the finer points. Sorry for getting all legalese. Seriously, where is Slaw when you need him?

Come on guys, no "I haven't seen a girl at W&M worth assaulting" zing? You guys are getting soft.

And, Hyper, GFY! ;-)

NERRRRRRRRDS!

(05-03-2014 09:08 AM)Tribal Wrote:  Come on guys, no "I haven't seen a girl at W&M worth assaulting" zing? You guys are getting soft.

And, Hyper, GFY! ;-)

I thought the cases at W&M might be more of the "Mary assaulting William" kind of deal...

(05-03-2014 09:08 AM)Tribal Wrote:  Come on guys, no "I haven't seen a girl at W&M worth assaulting" zing? You guys are getting soft.

And, Hyper, GFY! ;-)

Hey, it could have been the other way around ya know .... jus' sayin'

When the mascot wears no pants, it's setting a poor example.

So the entirety of the Big Ten (before Nebraska, Maryland and Rutgers joined) is a given, which gives us 11.

Add to that Florida State, and we're up to 12.

Which schools make up the other 43?