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RE: Still sounds like Sun Belt is determined to go to 12 FB teams
(04-17-2014 03:28 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(04-17-2014 01:51 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  If you could put Liberty's facilities at Coastal Carolina, we would be talking about a no brainer move to the Sun Belt. But as of right now, they would be a program to keep an out of for.

Benson said a few weeks ago that Coastal Carolina was no longer being considered by the SBC.
I believe that Coastal Carolina made a statement a few months ago that it was not interested in FBS at all at this time.
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RE: Still sounds like Sun Belt is determined to go to 12 FB teams
(04-17-2014 03:31 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(04-17-2014 03:28 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(04-17-2014 01:51 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  If you could put Liberty's facilities at Coastal Carolina, we would be talking about a no brainer move to the Sun Belt. But as of right now, they would be a program to keep an out of for.

Benson said a few weeks ago that Coastal Carolina was no longer being considered by the SBC.
I believe that Coastal Carolina made a statement a few months ago that it was not interested in FBS at all at this time.

So it really sounds like if we took Liberty's facilities and put them at Coastal Carolina, EKU's AD and shipped him to Coastal Carolina, and then shipped Benson to... Timbuktu... It'd be a slam dunk.
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RE: Still sounds like Sun Belt is determined to go to 12 FB teams
(04-17-2014 03:33 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(04-17-2014 03:31 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(04-17-2014 03:28 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(04-17-2014 01:51 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  If you could put Liberty's facilities at Coastal Carolina, we would be talking about a no brainer move to the Sun Belt. But as of right now, they would be a program to keep an out of for.

Benson said a few weeks ago that Coastal Carolina was no longer being considered by the SBC.
I believe that Coastal Carolina made a statement a few months ago that it was not interested in FBS at all at this time.

So it really sounds like if we took Liberty's facilities and put them at Coastal Carolina, EKU's AD and shipped him to Coastal Carolina, and then shipped Benson to... Timbuktu... It'd be a slam dunk.

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RE: Still sounds like Sun Belt is determined to go to 12 FB teams
if your aunt had nuts she'd be your uncle
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RE: Still sounds like Sun Belt is determined to go to 12 FB teams
(04-17-2014 03:45 PM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  if your aunt had nuts she'd be your uncle

We talkin mixed nuts? Cashews? Almonds? I'd like to know what nuts turn a woman into a man so I can make sure my girlfriend doesn't eat any.
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Re: RE: Still sounds like Sun Belt is determined to go to 12 FB teams
(04-17-2014 03:23 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  I have been a strong supporter of the SBC waiting for EKU, as I think it is a great long term choice,

However, the immediate advantages of Liberty should not be ignored.
-Liberty has a large and fanatical fan base. It showed very well at ODU last year from both numbers and behavior standpoints
-Liberty has a $1 billion endowment, which means that it is not likely to falter financially with the transition.
-Liberty has new FBS ready and expandable football facilities.
and maybe most importantly,
-Liberty has a television network. Didn't the SBC just lose a regional carrier?

I don't care for politics and/or religion being part of athletics, but, at least for the one experience I had with them at ODU; they seemed to have left all that at home.

All reasons why a reasonable person would see Liberty is clearly now the #1 choice for the Sun Belt in addition to their excellent fit for the footprint.

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RE: Still sounds like Sun Belt is determined to go to 12 FB teams
(04-17-2014 04:16 PM)pjc1979 Wrote:  
(04-17-2014 03:23 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  I have been a strong supporter of the SBC waiting for EKU, as I think it is a great long term choice,

However, the immediate advantages of Liberty should not be ignored.
-Liberty has a large and fanatical fan base. It showed very well at ODU last year from both numbers and behavior standpoints
-Liberty has a $1 billion endowment, which means that it is not likely to falter financially with the transition.
-Liberty has new FBS ready and expandable football facilities.
and maybe most importantly,
-Liberty has a television network. Didn't the SBC just lose a regional carrier?

I don't care for politics and/or religion being part of athletics, but, at least for the one experience I had with them at ODU; they seemed to have left all that at home.

All reasons why a reasonable person would see Liberty is clearly now the #1 choice for the Sun Belt in addition to their excellent fit for the footprint.

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AFTER READING THAT POST: THIS JUST HAPPEND AT LIBERTY



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RE: Still sounds like Sun Belt is determined to go to 12 FB teams
(04-17-2014 03:33 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(04-17-2014 03:31 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(04-17-2014 03:28 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(04-17-2014 01:51 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  If you could put Liberty's facilities at Coastal Carolina, we would be talking about a no brainer move to the Sun Belt. But as of right now, they would be a program to keep an out of for.

Benson said a few weeks ago that Coastal Carolina was no longer being considered by the SBC.
I believe that Coastal Carolina made a statement a few months ago that it was not interested in FBS at all at this time.

So it really sounds like if we took Liberty's facilities and put them at Coastal Carolina, EKU's AD and shipped him to Coastal Carolina, and then shipped Benson to... Timbuktu... It'd be a slam dunk.

What about moving the 100 golf courses and 2000 hotels. Convincing the 14 million tourist to go to the new location.

Or Coastal could get their billionaire coach to expand the stadium to twenty thousand . The stadium was built with expansion to twenty thousand in mind. They are finishing up a new baseball softball complex right now.
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RE: Still sounds like Sun Belt is determined to go to 12 FB teams
(04-17-2014 12:53 PM)slycat Wrote:  
(04-17-2014 12:46 PM)Huan Wrote:  New Mexico State, Liberty and Missouri State as full members
with UMass as football only if Idaho stays as football only

football only membership is shaky, and thus should not be depended upon to maintain a championship game.

Why go to 14? Just cuts back on money the teams would get. ...
Exactly. You would analyze it as (1) which is the best school to get to 12, and (2) after that school, is there an additional pair that is worth diluting the conference scheduling and conference payout.

But if there was a solid answer for (2), then (1) wouldn't be so dang hard.
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RE: Still sounds like Sun Belt is determined to go to 12 FB teams
Correction.
I took my endowment figure from a reporter...my bad.
Liberty's endowment is actually about 59 million, not a billion.
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RE: Still sounds like Sun Belt is determined to go to 12 FB teams
Endowment is the old school way of determining a school's wealth. Liberty has a billion in assets and is one of the highest credit ratings of any school in the country. Our cash is not tied up in endowments but has liquidity. But this is yet another sidebar discussion that really isn't particularly relevant to determining how many schools the Sun Belt will land on after expansion.
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RE: Still sounds like Sun Belt is determined to go to 12 FB teams
Yeah, my original premise was that Liberty has the funds to move up without any strain. 1.2 billion in liquid assets more than compensates for the endowment number. That is in fact, quite extraordinary.

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RE: Still sounds like Sun Belt is determined to go to 12 FB teams
(04-17-2014 09:18 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Yeah, my original premise was that Liberty has the funds to move up without any strain. 1.2 billion in liquid assets more than compensates for the endowment number.

I believe that they have plenty of liquid assets to move up. Their problem is that they are not allowed to move up without an invitation. The only possible way for them to get an invitation is convince a conference whose members don't have plenty of liquid assets to invite them.

They need to be allowed to enter FBS as an independent. They have the cash for it. If they are not allowed to enter FBS as an independent then they need to sue...and I think they would win.

I think it would be good for the Sun Belt to offer some sort of scheduling agreement with Liberty if they entered as an independent.

1.2 billion in liquid cash? Thats really not a Sun Belt number.
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Money invested in a conference is money invested in LU, could be a win win for all.
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RE: Still sounds like Sun Belt is determined to go to 12 FB teams
(04-17-2014 09:27 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(04-17-2014 09:18 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Yeah, my original premise was that Liberty has the funds to move up without any strain. 1.2 billion in liquid assets more than compensates for the endowment number.

I believe that they have plenty of liquid assets to move up. Their problem is that they are not allowed to move up without an invitation. The only possible way for them to get an invitation is convince a conference whose members don't have plenty of liquid assets to invite them.

They need to be allowed to enter FBS as an independent. They have the cash for it. If they are not allowed to enter FBS as an independent then they need to sue...and I think they would win.

I think it would be good for the Sun Belt to offer some sort of scheduling agreement with Liberty if they entered as an independent.

1.2 billion in liquid cash? Thats really not a Sun Belt number.

The invite rule was actually a request from NCAA staff in dealing with move-ups (both from Division II to I and from FCS to FBS). Scheduling requirement monitoring was a real problem for them.

For example in football, if you were moving FCS to FBS you had to show the NCAA you had contracts or agreements in place to meet the schedule requirement (at the time merely 7 games, site of no consequence) for four years.

Because deals get broken or games pushed back, reclassifying schools were having to report the changes and if there was little time to adjust, seek waivers if they couldn't find a replacement.

The conference invite rule basically mooted the problem.

I think the data shows teams having a league to move into tend transition more smoothly.

Liberty or some potential plaintiff might prevail but all that will happen is we go back to schools having to line up four years worth of contracts and agreements, except now they will have to show five countable home games for each of those years. Could easily win the battle and still lose the war unless you've got schools willing to go home/home.
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RE: Still sounds like Sun Belt is determined to go to 12 FB teams
I've heard liberty has no interest in going that route.
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Re: RE: Still sounds like Sun Belt is determined to go to 12 FB teams
(04-17-2014 10:01 PM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  Money invested in a conference is money invested in LU, could be a win win for all.

$1.2 billion divided by 11 will get you in.
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(04-17-2014 10:27 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(04-17-2014 10:01 PM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  Money invested in a conference is money invested in LU, could be a win win for all.

$1.2 billion divided by 11 will get you in.

Maybe an investment in some tv time.
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RE: Still sounds like Sun Belt is determined to go to 12 FB teams
(04-17-2014 10:27 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(04-17-2014 10:01 PM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  Money invested in a conference is money invested in LU, could be a win win for all.

$1.2 billion divided by 11 will get you in.

Oh, they have money? Well, it was never explained like this before. By all means, let 'em in. 01-ncaabbs
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