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No one here knows.

Some things have been loosened. Practice time restrictions have gone away, for example.

(04-13-2014 01:28 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  No one here knows.

+1000

When do the academic restrictions loosen?

I'm kind of leaning towards the "we should have taken the ban" crowd, even though that would have been embarrassing to UAB. Maybe we could've fired Davis earlier just for that reason. We werent getting to the big time postseason bowls/tourneys anyway with either of those coaches, so what actual damage, besides to pride, would a ban have done?

Hindsight is 20/20 as they say...

(04-14-2014 10:26 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  When do the academic restrictions loosen?

I'm kind of leaning towards the "we should have taken the ban" crowd, even though that would have been embarrassing to UAB. Maybe we could've fired Davis earlier just for that reason. We werent getting to the big time postseason bowls/tourneys anyway with either of those coaches, so what actual damage, besides to pride, would a ban have done?

Hindsight is 20/20 as they say...

How embarrassed do you think UConn is right now?

Weren't we going to see a 3 year ban from the postseason had it not been appealed?

Basketball had an APR of 732 for the 08/09 season.

UCONN's worst score was 826 in 2009/2010.

As I recall it was a one year postseason ban for basketball and football due to three consecutive years falling below the minimum numbers. There were also some other restrictions that were to be thrown in. I think we avoided the ban and self imposed or simply accepted some or most of the restrict lotions any way. I'm sure someone will eagerly correct me if I am in error. It's been a while. I can't remember the details.

Now if it kept happening the penalties would have increased.

Wouldn't we have had to make some pretty drastic changes with or without the ban?

If the net outcome is the same, then I'd just as soon hold on to knowing we've never had a post-season ban.

How different would things have been for us?

What happened to UConn is really immaterial.

The academic problems at UAB were much worse than is common knowledge. Dr. Garrison, Brian Mackin, the academic staff and most importantly the players who have come through since the decision was made to turn things around should all be commended.

Anyone saying we should have just taken a ban and continued on with business as usual doesn't realize how bad it was.

No one has said that things should have continued as is. Obviously, changes had to be made, ban or not. I was just wondering if we punished ourselves.more severely than the NCAA would have.

And no one is saying we would have done what CONn did. They are an example of a faster recovery taking the ban than self imposed punishments

(04-15-2014 10:18 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  No one has said that things should have continued as is. Obviously, changes had to be made, ban or not. I was just wondering if we punished ourselves.more severely than the NCAA would have.

That was sort of my question.

Given that drastic changes were going to have to be made either way, I don't know where we'd be today without knowing the extent of the possible sanctions which would still include drastic changes.

What UAB did was share with the NCAA how bad things were and then very bluntly said we are very embarrassed by this and this kind of crap will never happen again, here is how we are going to be sure it doesn't.

I guess I don't understand the premiss of your question, what is it do you think we should have done instead? Lied to the NCAA? Not tried to fix the problem?

The only real penalty we gave ourselves were the temporary loss of a few scholarships. The other things we did were medicine for our student athletes. Not recruiting athletes that would have problems academically at UAB & taking some practice time and converting it to mandatory study time until the at-risk student athletes that were already in the system improved their grades and got on track to graduate; these were not penalties, they were medicine.

I think that while it hurt, it made the point to the NCAA, to our student-athletes, and to our coaching staff(s) that UAB wasn't going to play the kind of games that have made the headlines elsewhere. *cough* UNC *cough* Maybe that's my Green and Gold glasses. Yeah, yeah, bagman, I know, "it goes on everywhere." I still prefer to think that we at least make a solid and sincere effort to do things the right way.

Even if it sets us back in recruiting.

Well, if we are "so embarrassed" and "not going to play that game" and they weren't penalties, why would we ever ease up on the "medicine"

Because we got the athletes who were failing and at risk of flunking out of the system. They either left school or got their grades up, many who had no chance of doing so before, got their act together and graduated. From that moment forward we quit recruiting kids that didn't have the educational acumen to succeed academically at UAB. After a few years that left us with a pool of student athletes who didn't need as much support, but left a framework in place where it is there for them if they do. We were able to ease off on the measures we took to fix the problem because it was largely fixed.