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Chapman said on Mike and Mike thay he made it up.

I guess he never heard of the little boy who cried wolf.

(04-07-2014 11:26 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  

(04-07-2014 10:14 PM)HSV_BLAZER Wrote:  I'm wrong about coaches a lot, but I can't see this happening.

Cal has everything he wants at Kentucky, unless sanctions are coming. Which is always possible with him.

Plus I can't see Kobe wanting a first time NBA coach for his last few good years left.

He's taken UK to the Final twice in three years. He's got nowhere to go but down, and those fans are every bit as entitled and delusional as the Bama football fans. Two Finals in three years are in no way good enough.

Second, he's created a monster with the teams full of McD's AllAmericans... they don't want to be coached, it takes them time to jell, and about the time they start to learn they're all gone and he has to start over. The recruiting and craziness then starts all over.

The NBA is a grind, but he'll get even more money and won't have to put up with the same crap year after year. Yeah, he'll have a whole different set of problems, but there basically is no better college job than UK to go to.

I hope he takes the Laker job just so I can watch the ensuing chaos.

If Cal doesn't want to deal with one-and-dones every year, then he wouldn't recruit them. There are plenty of four-star guys who will play for Kentucky, stay more than one year, and still be title contenders. But that's not the way Cal wants to do things. Instead he will try to work the back-channels with Adam Silver to raise the NBA entrance requirements to two years removed from high school, and he will probably get it. And that makes his job a whole lot easier.

(04-08-2014 10:31 AM)HSV_BLAZER Wrote:  

(04-07-2014 11:26 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  

(04-07-2014 10:14 PM)HSV_BLAZER Wrote:  I'm wrong about coaches a lot, but I can't see this happening.

Cal has everything he wants at Kentucky, unless sanctions are coming. Which is always possible with him.

Plus I can't see Kobe wanting a first time NBA coach for his last few good years left.

He's taken UK to the Final twice in three years. He's got nowhere to go but down, and those fans are every bit as entitled and delusional as the Bama football fans. Two Finals in three years are in no way good enough.

Second, he's created a monster with the teams full of McD's AllAmericans... they don't want to be coached, it takes them time to jell, and about the time they start to learn they're all gone and he has to start over. The recruiting and craziness then starts all over.

The NBA is a grind, but he'll get even more money and won't have to put up with the same crap year after year. Yeah, he'll have a whole different set of problems, but there basically is no better college job than UK to go to.

I hope he takes the Laker job just so I can watch the ensuing chaos.

If Cal doesn't want to deal with one-and-dones every year, then he wouldn't recruit them. There are plenty of four-star guys who will play for Kentucky, stay more than one year, and still be title contenders. But that's not the way Cal wants to do things. Instead he will try to work the back-channels with Adam Silver to raise the NBA entrance requirements to two years removed from high school, and he will probably get it. And that makes his job a whole lot easier.

I actually think raising the requirement to 2 years removed actually hurts coaches like Calipari. Would probably even the playing field for players more than he realizes.

I don't understand that assertion at all.

In the past 8 years since the CBA created the "one-and-done" rule, there have been 59 such players. Kentucky has 11 of them. Calipari has coached 14 of them including his time at Memphis. For one thing, there are no other coaches like Calipari. He's coached almost one-quarter of all of the one-and-dones. Thad Matta is the closest, and he has only coached 5 in that same timeframe. The numbers are going to skew Kentucky even further as an outlier after this season, when a potential six more players leave for the NBA.

Teams with the most one-and-dones since 2006:
Kentucky - 11 (All under Calipari)
Ohio State - 5
Texas - 4
Georgia Tech, Kansas, Memphis (All under Calipari again), UCLA - 3

I don't see any teams that will be helped by the two years removed rule anywhere near as much as Kentucky.

(04-08-2014 11:41 AM)HSV_BLAZER Wrote:  I don't see any teams that will be helped by the two years removed rule anywhere near as much as Kentucky.

For one thing, Kentucky can't lock and reload every single season because they'll have a freshman class coming back every year.

Players that consider themselves one-and-dones aren't going to suddenly think "yeah, I'll play a supporting role until my Sophomore season". Calipari can't have 12 starters.

It will help dispense talent around the landscape...of course that talent will only go to major schools, but it won't help Kentucky as much as you think it will.

To the casual BB fan who only watches BB occasionally, Coach Calipary appears to have mastered the ability to recruit and meld the top levels of talent into a winning team better than any of his peers. Most of his contemporaries were at the Final Four in Dallas as spectators, not participants. We may be seeing one of the greats that the future generations will be telling about later in this century. Like many of his ilk, he has detractors and perhaps rightfully so, but his results may be all that matter in the long run.

(04-08-2014 12:46 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 11:41 AM)HSV_BLAZER Wrote:  I don't see any teams that will be helped by the two years removed rule anywhere near as much as Kentucky.

For one thing, Kentucky can't lock and reload every single season because they'll have a freshman class coming back every year.

Players that consider themselves one-and-dones aren't going to suddenly think "yeah, I'll play a supporting role until my Sophomore season". Calipari can't have 12 starters.

It will help dispense talent around the landscape...of course that talent will only go to major schools, but it won't help Kentucky as much as you think it will.

I considered that side of it, but Calipari has recruited redundancy in the same year before with one-and-dones. John Wall and Eric Bledsoe were in the same freshman class. He is potentially sending six freshmen to the NBA this season. A two years removed rule won't preclude recruiting redundancy in all cases. I'm sure you're right that some recruits will choose a different school for immediate playing time. But any impact from that will be offset by gains from having these five-star guys a second year. The ones forced to stay another year would have increased ability, stamina, mental and physical development, understanding of the system and chemistry with their teammates. Imagine what Anthony Davis would have looked like as a sophomore. Plus Calipari wouln't have to recruit as many players each year. He could focus on getting the 3-4 best guys that he wanted.

To play two years, they will have to go to class for more than a semester. That will be a problem.

UNC found a way...

(04-08-2014 08:03 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Calipari has two skills that doesn't translate to the NBA

Recruitment
Manipulation

Not to mention, he doesn't coach his team, he incessantly WHINES at the officials THE ENTIRE GAME!

(04-08-2014 02:02 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  To the casual BB fan who only watches BB occasionally, Coach Calipary appears to have mastered the ability to recruit and meld the top levels of talent into a winning team better than any of his peers. Most of his contemporaries were at the Final Four in Dallas as spectators, not participants. We may be seeing one of the greats that the future generations will be telling about later in this century. Like many of his ilk, he has detractors and perhaps rightfully so, but his results may be all that matter in the long run.

I disagree with 75% of this post

I think I am closer to 90%.

I read all of it and just started laughing.

Yeah, whoever said cheaters never win was a damn liar.

"Cheaters never prosper."

How much does Cal make again?

(04-08-2014 08:54 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  I think I am closer to 90%.

that was my first thought, but when i really analyzed it, it was only 4 sentences…1 of those was completely true (most coaches were at the final4 as spectators). thats how i came up with 75%

It seemed longer than 4 sentences

(04-09-2014 05:59 AM)LairDweller Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 08:54 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  I think I am closer to 90%.

that was my first thought, but when i really analyzed it, it was only 4 sentences…1 of those was completely true (most coaches were at the final4 as spectators). thats how i came up with 75%

That and my observation that "he has detractors" - which was proven by subsequent posts - should raise the percentage by at least a few points.

I did not claim him to be a paragon of virtue (as we rightfully hold Gene Bartow) but I do give him what I consider due credit for his successes as a coach in collegiate basketball. A couple of decades hence we may see a coaching trophy named after him as well.

(04-08-2014 08:50 PM)LairDweller Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 02:02 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  To the casual BB fan who only watches BB occasionally, Coach Calipary appears to have mastered the ability to recruit and meld the top levels of talent into a winning team better than any of his peers. Most of his contemporaries were at the Final Four in Dallas as spectators, not participants. We may be seeing one of the greats that the future generations will be telling about later in this century. Like many of his ilk, he has detractors and perhaps rightfully so, but his results may be all that matter in the long run.

I disagree with 75% of this post

His arguments might hold more value if he could correctly spell the name of his subject matter.

Ehhh...who am I kidding?